OOTP 13 Update, NEW Version 13.5.22 released! (July 31st)

[Qrusher14242]

well whatever you want to call it, when the ball goes to the backstop, the runner never gets thrown out at home. He's always safe

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Well he is right. A wild pitch means runners advance. If you want this added as a play that is fine but it should be called "ball gets away from a catcher and a runner is thrown out trying to advance."

Just find some stats so we know how often it actually happens. I have looked and I cant locate the percentage of times this actually happens. It serves as no addition to the game if it is added incorrectly.

Exactly.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Qrusher14242

well whatever you want to call it, when the ball goes to the backstop, the runner never gets thrown out at home. He's always safe

That's because it's a wild pitch (and called as such) and that is how wild pitches work.

You are asking for something totally different, something on which no stats are compiled (FYI, WP stats are compiled). Good luck figuring out how to accurately fit that into OOTP.

[SkeptiSys]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

You are asking for something totally different, something on which no stats are compiled (FYI, WP stats are compiled). Good luck figuring out how to accurately fit that into OOTP.

I am pretty sure the data is compiled somewhere. At least some current baserunning formulas use the number of advancement opportunities on potential WP or PB, as well as the number of outs made. Fangraphs, baseball prospectus, Stats inc, among others. I think they charge for access to the data. The Bill James Handbook 2012 has baserunning data, but I do not know how detailed it is.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by SkeptiSys

I am pretty sure the data is compiled somewhere. At least some current baserunning formulas use the number of advancement opportunities on potential WP or PB, as well as the number of outs made. Fangraphs, baseball prospectus, Stats inc, among others. I think they charge for access to the data. The Bill James Handbook 2012 has baserunning data, but I do not know how detailed it is.

The BJ Handbook doesnt have this info I just checked. Ive never seen it on FGs or BP but havent checked Stats inc. Perhaps if someone wanted to go through play by play they could get the results because they do have it on there.

[statfreak]

Originally Posted by Qrusher14242

well whatever you want to call it, when the ball goes to the backstop, the runner never gets thrown out at home. He's always safe

That would be a wild pitch or passed ball since the runner advanced.

[Cryomaniac]

It's a semantic point. What people want is "Runner out advancing", which I think is in a sense already there since IIRC that's how a batter thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double is scored. Of course it's not there for a "potential WP, runner out at home" situation.

And on a tangent, is it possible in OOTP for someone to be out trying to stretch a triple into an ITPHR? I'm guessing it's rare as hens teeth, but it should be possible.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

It's a semantic point. What people want is "Runner out advancing", which I think is in a sense already there since IIRC that's how a batter thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double is scored. Of course it's not there for a "potential WP, runner out at home" situation.

And on a tangent, is it possible in OOTP for someone to be out trying to stretch a triple into an ITPHR? I'm guessing it's rare as hens teeth, but it should be possible.

It is NOT a semantic point. If you try to convert some WP's to this you will be screwing with the game.

This is a separate event, and one that I have never heard of anyone compiling statistics on.

If you want to stop calling this event a wild pitch and get some stats to support your case you might have a point. Right now all you guys have is a wrongly-categorized desire, sans data.

[Reikazawa]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

• Added WAR and ZR to the stats displayed in the team history year page

Markus, can this be added next to following screens as well? Would be awesome. Thanks.

Batting Register
Pitching Register
Fielding Register
Drafted Players

[Reikazawa]

I found an error in the HTML generation of the almanac. This is the Batting Register page. This is present in previous builds as well.

[craftdr]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

It is NOT a semantic point. If you try to convert some WP's to this you will be screwing with the game.

This is a separate event, and one that I have never heard of anyone compiling statistics on.

If you want to stop calling this event a wild pitch and get some stats to support your case you might have a point. Right now all you guys have is a wrongly-categorized desire, sans data.

I don't know if this is what's desired but I picture something like this: The pitch gets behind the catcher and he can't find it, the runner breaks for home and the result would either be the runner is safe and it's scored as a wild pitch or passed ball. The other result could be the catcher finds the ball and flips to the pitcher covering home for the out resulting in a caught stealing or something along those lines.

And no before you ask, I don't have data or anything because I don't care enough that it gets added for me to do any research.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by craftdr

I don't know if this is what's desired but I picture something like this: The pitch gets behind the catcher and he can't find it, the runner breaks for home and the result would either be the runner is safe and it's scored as a wild pitch or passed ball. The other result could be the catcher finds the ball and flips to the pitcher covering home for the out resulting in a caught stealing or something along those lines.

And no before you ask, I don't have data or anything because I don't care enough that it gets added for me to do any research.

It's not called scored as a caught stealing either. It's scored as a "Runner out advancing", and it isn't in the game partly because there is no data on it.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

It's not called scored as a caught stealing either. It's scored as a "Runner out advancing", and it isn't in the game partly because there is no data on it.

Exactly correct. And unless and until there is hard data, this subject needs to be shelved.

[craftdr]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

It's not called scored as a caught stealing either. It's scored as a "Runner out advancing", and it isn't in the game partly because there is no data on it.

Makes sense.

[Cinnamon J. Scudworth]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

It's not called scored as a caught stealing either. It's scored as a "Runner out advancing", and it isn't in the game partly because there is no data on it.

I suspect that there is also no data for how many times outfielders make spectacular catches going into the outfield wall and manage to hang on to the ball, although certainly that is a staple of OOTP*. I blame this wild pitch/safe at home argument partly on that darn play-by-play for getting people's hopes up that the throw to the pitcher at the plate might actually get there in time for once.

I'm sympathetic to the data argument, but it seems like there is plenty of fudge room in the game for something like this if the team ever wanted to code it to happen some miniscule, not-statistically-significant percentage of times. The basic fact is that something that happens in real life on the baseball diamond never happens in OOTP. It's a shame that whenever this gets brought up people on both sides seem so hardline about it. Regardless, I wouldn't expect it to ever happen in OOTP 13, so it's something that its advocates should be saving for their OOTP 14 suggestions.

*Although recently, I finally had an instance where the outfielder didn't manage to hang on to the ball, which was nice to see, even though he was on my team.

[STLKyle]

"Added a "Delete all available personnel" function to the league transaction screen"

Hallelujah!

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

I blame this wild pitch/safe at home argument partly on that darn play-by-play for getting people's hopes up that the throw to the pitcher at the plate might actually get there in time for once.

I do think there should be more PBP options for it. Maybe have the catcher not even make a throw sometimes.

Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

I'm sympathetic to the data argument, but it seems like there is plenty of fudge room in the game for something like this if the team ever wanted to code it to happen some miniscule, not-statistically-significant percentage of times. The basic fact is that something that happens in real life on the baseball diamond never happens in OOTP.

Agreed. We know it happens, but not how often. I personally don't believe that that is, in itself, a good reason for "the subject [needing] to be shelved", because for one thing there may never be any data, unless someone can convince a stats company to compile it.

Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

It's a shame that whenever this gets brought up people on both sides seem so hardline about it.

That applies to a lot of things. I don't mind it sometimes, but it does get a little silly at times.

[Alistair]

Sorry guys... can I just get clarification on whether this update will apply to EXISTING save games when installed, or will I need to start a new one?

[The Wolf]

Look, if we don't know how often an event occurs in baseball it has zero business being in a baseball simulation. If it gets put in without any data just to satisfy some whining, expect a revolt among those who are serious about baseball and accuracy.

If some of you want this as badly as it seems - and I sure don't see why - then go get the data.

Nobody will object to the simulation being made more accurate.

[The Wolf]

And one more time: unless and until there is hard data, this subject needs to be shelved.