Question about Talent Modifiers and Overall Ratings

Jack Parkman · 07-23-2012, 10:41 PM

I am playing a modern era game, and the one thing i hate about it is that players overall and ratings change day by day. I am using Phightin's setting for Talent modifiers but i really don't like them. I am looking for settings that ratings will stay the same for the most part of a full year then change. I know there was already a huge thread about the Ratings setup, but how can i set them that they are not changed day by day? Thanks!

olivertheorem · 07-23-2012, 10:51 PM

Off the top of my head, the only way I can think to achieve that would be to set the talent change randomness and/or decrease the development/aging modifiers during the season, then change them back for the offseason.

But this isn't Madden, where players only improve/decline at specific times, and it isn't designed around that kind of scheme.

Jack Parkman · 07-23-2012, 10:53 PM

then what are overall's and ratings based on, game by game performances?

RchW · 07-23-2012, 11:44 PM

Clarify for me. Are you saying that every player has ratings that change daily? I've played since v5 and never seen this. What type of league do you play? have you edited players? Added players?

Just my opinion of course, but I would never change development/aging modifiers, other than the offseason. Heck I don't change them more than once every 2-5 seasons.

To continue my contrariness I don't think talent change randomness is as influential as many others on the forum do.

Oh I notice you mention Phightin's settings. I'm of the opinion that the aging component may be too low. I also don't agree that the age distribution is accurate. However I didn't do the same work so I could be blowing smoke.

Edit

What box do you have checked?

Jack Parkman · 07-24-2012, 12:00 AM

both, can you tell me what the regular modifers are? or send me a pic of yours

RchW · 07-24-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Parkman

both, can you tell me what the regular modifers are? or send me a pic of yours

Having the second box checked may be the source of your problem. When you rate players against the entire population that rating will be affected by the much larger pool and the possibility of changes in that pool. Try unchecking it and see what happens.

hluraven · 07-24-2012, 03:38 AM

If you have the AI evaluation not pure ratings selected, and a large weighting given to stats over ratings on the next options page, you may get more fluctuations as well as the ratings are based more on form than base ratings.

RchW · 07-24-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by hluraven

If you have the AI evaluation not pure ratings selected, and a large weighting given to stats over ratings on the next options page, you may get more fluctuations as well as the ratings are based more on form than base ratings.

I have 25 40 20 15 and don't notice significant fluctuations. I am going to change it to 35 40 20 5 because I think the AI is signing too many good stat declining ratings players to bad contracts. Oops, that's what they do IRL.

EvilGenius · 07-24-2012, 12:17 PM

While we're on this subject, exactly what does "Overall rating based on AI evalution, not pure ratings" mean anyway? I've never been clear on this.

From the manual: "By default, OOTP overall ratings are based purely on the player's pure ratings, and are not affected by the AI's evaluation of the player. You can change this to Based on AI evaluation if you want overall ratings to be based on the AI's evaluation instead."

I find that explanation to be confusing and didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. What are the "pure ratings"? And what is the AI Evaluation?

Does AI Evaluation = My scout?

Does Pure Ratings = The numbers's he's put up? Or some other set of internal numbers only the game knows?

If I go with Pure Ratings, does that mean I don't really need my scout?

RchW · 07-24-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilGenius

While we're on this subject, exactly what does "Overall rating based on AI evalution, not pure ratings" mean anyway? I've never been clear on this.

From the manual: "By default, OOTP overall ratings are based purely on the player's pure ratings, and are not affected by the AI's evaluation of the player. You can change this to Based on AI evaluation if you want overall ratings to be based on the AI's evaluation instead."

I find that explanation to be confusing and didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. What are the "pure ratings"? And what is the AI Evaluation?

Does AI Evaluation = My scout?

Does Pure Ratings = The numbers's he's put up? Or some other set of internal numbers only the game knows?

If I go with Pure Ratings, does that mean I don't really need my scout?

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07-23-2012, 10:41 PM	#1
Jack Parkman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 85	Question about Talent Modifiers and Overall Ratings I am playing a modern era game, and the one thing i hate about it is that players overall and ratings change day by day. I am using Phightin's setting for Talent modifiers but i really don't like them. I am looking for settings that ratings will stay the same for the most part of a full year then change. I know there was already a huge thread about the Ratings setup, but how can i set them that they are not changed day by day? Thanks! __________________ "God Damn Parkman and his Shimmy" -Harry Doyle (Major League II)

07-23-2012, 10:53 PM	#3
Jack Parkman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 85	then what are overall's and ratings based on, game by game performances? __________________ "God Damn Parkman and his Shimmy" -Harry Doyle (Major League II)

07-23-2012, 11:44 PM	#4
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Clarify for me. Are you saying that every player has ratings that change daily? I've played since v5 and never seen this. What type of league do you play? have you edited players? Added players? Just my opinion of course, but I would never change development/aging modifiers, other than the offseason. Heck I don't change them more than once every 2-5 seasons. To continue my contrariness I don't think talent change randomness is as influential as many others on the forum do. Oh I notice you mention Phightin's settings. I'm of the opinion that the aging component may be too low. I also don't agree that the age distribution is accurate. However I didn't do the same work so I could be blowing smoke. Edit What box do you have checked? Attached Images __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit Last edited by RchW; 07-23-2012 at 11:49 PM. Reason: more info

07-24-2012, 12:00 AM	#5
Jack Parkman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 85	both, can you tell me what the regular modifers are? or send me a pic of yours __________________ "God Damn Parkman and his Shimmy" -Harry Doyle (Major League II)

07-23-2012, 10:51 PM	#2
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Off the top of my head, the only way I can think to achieve that would be to set the talent change randomness and/or decrease the development/aging modifiers during the season, then change them back for the offseason. But this isn't Madden, where players only improve/decline at specific times, and it isn't designed around that kind of scheme.

07-24-2012, 03:38 AM	#7
hluraven Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 355	If you have the AI evaluation not pure ratings selected, and a large weighting given to stats over ratings on the next options page, you may get more fluctuations as well as the ratings are based more on form than base ratings.

07-24-2012, 12:17 PM	#9
EvilGenius Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 153	While we're on this subject, exactly what does "Overall rating based on AI evalution, not pure ratings" mean anyway? I've never been clear on this. From the manual: "By default, OOTP overall ratings are based purely on the player's pure ratings, and are not affected by the AI's evaluation of the player. You can change this to Based on AI evaluation if you want overall ratings to be based on the AI's evaluation instead." I find that explanation to be confusing and didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. What are the "pure ratings"? And what is the AI Evaluation? Does AI Evaluation = My scout? Does Pure Ratings = The numbers's he's put up? Or some other set of internal numbers only the game knows? If I go with Pure Ratings, does that mean I don't really need my scout?