Should be able to get promoted to Team President, Possibly Owner..

[Jack Parkman]

I was thinking today while playing OOTP that if you establish yourself as a Great GM, why not be able to become Team President, maybe possibly an owner after many years being a GM in the MLB. I think us GMs also should be able to conduct contract negotiations for ourselves with teams instead of not having a contract at all. If we were giving contracts we could have a "Bank" so that we could save up to purchase a team or something that could be discussed later. I hate that fact that all you can do is switch from team to team, I think it would be cool after let's say 20 years and 6 titles, you get positions as President and get to oversee everything and hire your own GM who you think can get the job done. While being Team President, it gives you full control and I think it could make the game more exciting. You could add in weekly meetings and sit downs with managers and the Owner, espiecially on the Trade Deadline because teams (As seen on The Franchise show on Showtime" all sit in the conference rooms and give suggestions on players. I think it would improve the game if the Managers and GM's (If your President) give you an input on who they think can contribute to the ball club and why.

Also, I create myself as I said before, and after my career I always turn myself into a coach. I think there should be an option where you can takeover as human manager as a former player and basically let the computer or delete your existing manager. I think it would be cool to start again with a player rather than an "Inexperienced GM" because it makes the game more realistic.


Also, If players break records, such as HR Record, Hits, Etc... I think it would be cool for there to be news listings like leading up to the record. Let's say if Joe Schmo has 759 Hrs, I think it should be marked like "There is #761, and let the person playing be aware of such an astonishing record.


Just my thoughts, let me know what you think..

Not trying to bash the game in anyway, I love it, but this would make it better in my eyes...

[polydamas]

I'd like to be able to realistically move teams and more importantly build new stadiums.

[olivertheorem]

Realistically speaking, serving as Team President/Owner, rather than GM, wouldn't leave the player with a whole lot to do. Most of OOTP is built around things the manager and GM do, so Markus would have to add a ton of stuff (AND have it work) to reasonably implement another role(s) like that. Just my 2 cents.

[Jack Parkman]

Originally Posted by olivertheorem

Realistically speaking, serving as Team President/Owner, rather than GM, wouldn't leave the player with a whole lot to do. Most of OOTP is built around things the manager and GM do, so Markus would have to add a ton of stuff (AND have it work) to reasonably implement another role(s) like that. Just my 2 cents.

Yeah but if he can make the game better why wouldnt he? Plus when your playing 40-50 year careers, when your GM is in his 60's, he'd be rich, why not giveup some power and be Owner and make profit while trying to win?

[olivertheorem]

I suppose if you wanted to a a Jerry Jones-style Owner/President/GM type thing, it would work. But you could roughly emulate that now using Commissioner Mode.

I mean, it's not my thing, but I do see how it could/would lead to certain parts of the game that are being improved.

[Jack Parkman]

Originally Posted by olivertheorem

I suppose if you wanted to a a Jerry Jones-style Owner/President/GM type thing, it would work. But you could roughly emulate that now using Commissioner Mode.

I mean, it's not my thing, but I do see how it could/would lead to certain parts of the game that are being improved.

It would give you more to play for, how cool would it be to manage your own budget, have conference calls, and all, Managers messaging you on who they like etc

[GlennCraven]

Originally Posted by olivertheorem

Realistically speaking, serving as Team President/Owner, rather than GM, wouldn't leave the player with a whole lot to do. Most of OOTP is built around things the manager and GM do, so Markus would have to add a ton of stuff (AND have it work) to reasonably implement another role(s) like that. Just my 2 cents.

I don't even know what you could add. Apart from the George Steinbrenners and Mark Cubans, owners are generally bankrolls that come attached to a personality (some good, some bad, most "meh"). ... Owners are almost necessary evils in the sports franchise world.

The GM job is where it's at. The GM makes the vast majority of the player personnel, coaching and administrative decisions and hires that make a sim like this worth playing. And the field manager makes most of the rest.

The career path of GM to team president is reasonable. (But again, what does the president do, really? Mostly boring financial-side stuff from a gaming point of view.) ... And I believe that Billy Beane is now a minority owner of the A's. But I suspect Beane would tell you the ownership stake is just the reward for all he's done as a GM; the pay that came for his work. I doubt it changed his day-to-day job much, if any.

[Jack Parkman]

understood but if your are President, if you want you can do what you want, look at the setting now, you can allow your manager to create lineups and all, I just feel like once you win a few WS, it gets boring

[GlennCraven]

Originally Posted by Jack Parkman

understood but if your are President, if you want you can do what you want, look at the setting now, you can allow your manager to create lineups and all, I just feel like once you win a few WS, it gets boring

So I still don't know what you'd do in the sim as owner over GM.

Rant at umpires like Mark Cuban in the NBA and get a fine from the league?

[wrestlerjrh]

would rather they add what you were talking about earlier, and kind of add an ITP mode to ootp, maybe you could play out a player career, then maybe move up through the ranks until you got to GM after you retire, but there are business sims out there for people who want to run a business, I want to run a sports team

[Jack Parkman]

your thinking wrongly, look at it this way, you have a stud let's say Roy Halladay. We all agree he is a smart player, so he plays for you his whole career and then he retires, his relationship with your team has been great because you treated him well with contracts etc. He has good scouting tools and teaching because he's been around the team forever and knows everyone, a leader in the clubhouse. He becomes your GM, and you BOTH control the team. He gives you his input, you have final say as always. You dont like the managers lineup, you control the lineup.. get what im saying?



Also, at the end of the year why does the manager of the year either go to managers like Charlie Manuel and not GMs? When you win it it says GM but its a Manager award?

[BIG17EASY]

I'm not sure most owners have as much control as you seem to think. A lot of them leave their GMs to make all the player moves and are only brought into the conversation when big contracts are offered.

You mentioned all of the managers telling you who they like on their teams. That's the job of the director of minor league operations, who then reports to the GM. Minor league managers file a daily report to their director of minor league operations, who then passes along relevant info to the GM. I don't have proof, but I'm willing to bet that very few (if any) owners get daily reports on the minor league teams like the GMs do.

It sounds to me like you're looking for a GM/owner hybrid so that you have control over all finances AND player moves.

[GlennCraven]

Originally Posted by Jack Parkman

Also, at the end of the year why does the manager of the year either go to managers like Charlie Manuel and not GMs? When you win it it says GM but its a Manager award?

Because it's the "Manager of the Year Award" and not the "General Manager of the Year Award."

I believe it's The Sporting News that bestows "Executive of the Year" on the top GM or other front office person it deems most deserving.

I definitely agree that ex-players should move into the coaching, scouting and executive ranks. (They don't? I haven't played long enough to know.) And it would be ideal if you could ask a longtime player of yours who is close to retirement to consider accepting a post within your organization. ... Though that's a different feature than I thought we were discussing.

It does seem that what you'd like to be is owner/GM, which is fine I guess, but as I've noted (probably ad nauseam) I'm not sure what else you'd do within the framework of a game like this. Typically the owner's "job" is to have created separate wealth from a different career that he decides to invest in a sports franchise and as BIG17EASY says, most of them do little in the day-to-day operations of their clubs.

Basically an owner/GM in OOTP would be an unfirable guy who could spend at will (without asking the boss), at least until he gets mired in a nasty divorce, all his money runs out, he declares bankruptcy, and eventually has to sell the franchise to a partnership group that includes Magic Johnson.

[Jack Parkman]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

I'm not sure most owners have as much control as you seem to think. A lot of them leave their GMs to make all the player moves and are only brought into the conversation when big contracts are offered.

You mentioned all of the managers telling you who they like on their teams. That's the job of the director of minor league operations, who then reports to the GM. Minor league managers file a daily report to their director of minor league operations, who then passes along relevant info to the GM. I don't have proof, but I'm willing to bet that very few (if any) owners get daily reports on the minor league teams like the GMs do.

It sounds to me like you're looking for a GM/owner hybrid so that you have control over all finances AND player moves.

I dont mean from the start, I mean from the later parts of your career, and @Glenn, as far as manager award, I meant our GM is in the same category as regular managers, not GMs, if you dont win manager of the year and regular manager does, it should be as you said an Executive and Manager award

[statfreak]

I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather have a sound simulation engine than all these bells and whistles. Sure, OOTP does a decent job replicating a baseball season, but the AI still makes head scratching decisions when one looks closely enough.

I understand most gamers want the eye-candy and the ability to select what food to sell in the concession stands, but I really wish more of us would help focus Markus on the game AI and the correct usage of intentional walks, relief pitchers, and pinch hitters to name a few areas that need help.

This is a great, be everything to everyone game, but let's get the baseball right "on the field" when playing out a game before we start adding more and more to the game.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by Jack Parkman

I dont mean from the start, I mean from the later parts of your career, and @Glenn, as far as manager award, I meant our GM is in the same category as regular managers, not GMs, if you dont win manager of the year and regular manager does, it should be as you said an Executive and Manager award

I realize that. But the level of involvement you're talking about an owner having isn't realistic. And actually, if you think about it, a GM "climbing the ladder" and becoming an owner isn't realistic either. But then again, there are lots of unrealistic things we can do with OOTP.

I also agree with statfreak -- there are a lot of other fixes, tweaks and additions that I would consider much more important than a mode like the one you're asking for. Not saying it isn't interesting, though.

[DCG12]

Originally Posted by statfreak

I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather have a sound simulation engine than all these bells and whistles. Sure, OOTP does a decent job replicating a baseball season, but the AI still makes head scratching decisions when one looks closely enough.

I understand most gamers want the eye-candy and the ability to select what food to sell in the concession stands, but I really wish more of us would help focus Markus on the game AI and the correct usage of intentional walks, relief pitchers, and pinch hitters to name a few areas that need help.

This is a great, be everything to everyone game, but let's get the baseball right "on the field" when playing out a game before we start adding more and more to the game.

I think this pretty much nails how I feel. I want to just play baseball and follow players/teams through the seasons. Build a league history etc.

I am a small business owner in RL, OOTP is my escape from that part of my life.

[GlennCraven]

Originally Posted by statfreak

I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather have a sound simulation engine than all these bells and whistles. Sure, OOTP does a decent job replicating a baseball season, but the AI still makes head scratching decisions when one looks closely enough.

I understand most gamers want the eye-candy and the ability to select what food to sell in the concession stands, but I really wish more of us would help focus Markus on the game AI and the correct usage of intentional walks, relief pitchers, and pinch hitters to name a few areas that need help.

This is a great, be everything to everyone game, but let's get the baseball right "on the field" when playing out a game before we start adding more and more to the game.

Yes, this.^

[Jack Parkman]

Originally Posted by GlennCraven

Yes, this.^

If you all would read what I said, never said being promoted to owner, thats not what i meant, after a certain X amount of years you should have an option to buy a franchise, and oversee your team from a different view. Some of us are not as interactive as you guys are, for instance, I let managers do my roster and demotions, I for one just put through trades to better my team. I hire my manager that i trust to put the best lineup possible for me as do GM's in RL. I would like to be president and hire a GM whom "I" trust to run my franchise right and guide them without doing all the extra work. Being promoted gives you little and littler to do, some like it, some don't.. I just like the idea of changing scernarios because after being a GM for 25 seasons it gets a bit boring. It should give us an option to create a player as a Human Manager and then have an option to make him a manager or GM and for him to be under the General Manager Home instead of manually doing it. Yes, Markus does a great job but all you stick up for him too much, he takes our money, there is nothing wrong with requesting a few ideas. Yes he works very hard, but why wouldn't he? Im sure he does not mind ideas even if it will make work for him, who wouldn't want to make the best game ever. It is the most realistic Baseball Sim, why not make it more realistic. I want to be able to view the living room of a damn prospect and speak with his parents about their son, that would be fantastic. Put a damn headset on and speak with Ruben Amaro about a trade for Ryan Howard, why not you know, don't be happy with the game, that's when you'll accept no change. Look how that turned out for the Video Games

[Nugget699]

Originally Posted by Jack Parkman

I want to be able to view the living room of a damn prospect and speak with his parents about their son, that would be fantastic. Put a damn headset on and speak with Ruben Amaro about a trade for Ryan Howard, why not you know, don't be happy with the game, that's when you'll accept no change.

If this comes in I can safely say I won't be purchasing.

This is a text-sim, and I enjoy looking at glorified spreadsheets and letting my own imagination take me to a propsects living room, not having everything hand fed to me.

Where next after Markus brought this in? You'd be back on here moaning because every prospects living room is exactly the same and that there should be hundreds of different backdrops for "realism".

You also complained about "GM'ing for 25 years straight gets a bit boring"; but that's the game! Killing zombies or nazis gets boring after the first fifty, but what do I do? I put the game down and come back to it later. I don't go onto the developers board and say "we should be able to become field commander, and eventually the ruler so that the game turns into Civilization!"

I think you've totally missed the point of text-sims.