No-hitter in Progress - Page 3

CD1083 · 04-21-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SandMan

I was watching the Yankees-Red Sox and the score was 9-1. The network switched to the perfect game and I thought no problem the other game was getting boring. Come back from the perfect game and the score is now 9-8. This has been an exciting day for baseball.....

15-9.... Yankees win. It certainly was an exciting day of baseball.

rudel.dietrich · 04-21-2012, 09:41 PM

Is it just me or are these things starting to feel less special?

I would love to see a statistical analysis of why these things are becoming more common.
I have a few theories of my own.
#1 Strike outs are at record highs and thus fewer balls are being put into play.
#2 Fielders are simply better than ever before. Each season we keep seeing new records for fielding % and I think players today are all around better athletes with better mechanics, arms and range.
#3 Baseball was deeply embarrassed by the steroid scandal and the year 2000 was also an embarrassment as the league had it's most extreme offensive season ever. I think since then there was been a concerted behind the scenes effort on the part of the commissioners office to increase the strike zone by a mandate to the umpires.

I would love for a baseball prospectus article on this issue by someone with more time than me and better research tools.

CD1083 · 04-21-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Is it just me or are these things starting to feel less special?

I would love to see a statistical analysis of why these things are becoming more common.
I have a few theories of my own.
#1 Strike outs are at record highs and thus fewer balls are being put into play.
#2 Fielders are simply better than ever before. Each season we keep seeing new records for fielding % and I think players today are all around better athletes with better mechanics, arms and range.
#3 Baseball was deeply embarrassed by the steroid scandal and the year 2000 was also an embarrassment as the league had it's most extreme offensive season ever. I think since then there was been a concerted behind the scenes effort on the part of the commissioners office to increase the strike zone by a mandate to the umpires.

I would love for a baseball prospectus article on this issue by someone with more time than me and better research tools.

You had me till #3...that sounds like a conspiracy to me.

rudel.dietrich · 04-21-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Chase Davis

You had me till #3...that sounds like a conspiracy to me.

No
Not really
Not even close

A conspiracy would be altering baseballs to make them less tightly wound and thus softer. Or asking umpires to favor certain teams.

What I suggested happens all the time in other sports. Just this season the NBA head office asked all officials to begin calling certain fouls differently and changed the rules on certain fouls.
Every season the NHL and NFL also have officials meetings to change how things are called. It is a constantly evolving thing.

Baseball calls are more cut and dry. Out or not out. HR or not a HR. Foul or not foul.
About the only judgment calls that umpires have to make is the strike zone.
The head office could pretty easily convene an umpires meeting and express a desire to expand the strike zone a little to lessen offense.
Is that a conspiracy? No, not even close. It is simply a method that the league can use to manage offensive numbers.
A conspiracy would be to expand the strike zone for certain teams to try and affect the standings.

And I have watched baseball for a good solid 20 years now and I have witnessed the strike zone morph from being the size of a keyhole to the current standard which is noticeably larger.
There has to be some explanation for more strike outs too. Batting methods are not drastically different from the 90s. We are still in the same 'era' as far as how hitter approach an at bat. Yet we have seen a very significant spike in strikeouts across the league.

RchW · 04-21-2012, 10:25 PM

It's a natural and sometimes an unnatural ebb and flow of the game. Pitching in 2012 is better than ever. We see on a nightly basis young 20 something pitchers throwing 93-97mph with movement. Sure they don't last long, instead they turn it over to specialists that may throw even better than they do.

One could make the case that no-hitters and perfect games are more of an accomplishment because pitchers rarely go 9 innings any more. I wont yet.

Seattle are a pathetic hitting team 0.285 OBP and an OPS+ of 83 so far in 2012. Humber can't pick his opponents so he gets kudos for making it work when the opportunity came his way.

ZiggyPop · 04-25-2012, 03:14 PM

Nevermind Tulo got a hit.

Faroo6 · 05-03-2012, 03:03 AM

Surprised this didn't get bumped at all tonight. Weaver dominates again.

pfreek11 · 05-03-2012, 12:36 PM

I can't believe that in all my years of watching baseball, this is the first no-hitter I've actually watched from beginning to end. Usually I just catch the end when/if ESPN jumps to it. I was stuck watching Ervin Santana's on my computer at work last year.

As an Angels fan, and a Weaver fan, I was thrilled. Bad luck has caused me to miss his starts every time I've been in CA for a game, but I'm crossing my fingers for the weekend I'm there in June.

Congratulations to Jered Weaver!

magnet · 05-03-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

Surprised this didn't get bumped at all tonight. Weaver dominates again.

No-hitting the Twins this year barely counts.

pstrickert · 05-03-2012, 02:33 PM

I watched the last 3-4 innings of the game. Weaver pitched a gem. He definitely brought his A-game. But I had to wonder about the HP umpire's strike zone. It was huge! Do you think an umpire gets "caught up" in the moment?

CD1083 · 05-03-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

Do you think an umpire gets "caught up" in the moment?

Ask Brendan Ryan.

Green & Gold Heart · 06-01-2012, 10:40 PM

Bump

dsvitak · 06-01-2012, 10:54 PM

Great game by Santana..but one line drive over the third base bag kicked up chalk...clearly a fair ball.

They showed the ball mark in the chalk a couple of times after that.

Kobie · 06-01-2012, 10:59 PM

And another sign of the impending apocalypse has come to pass.

Cbob · 06-01-2012, 11:02 PM

Met fan since '69...glory! glory! What a mensch!

MorseMoose · 06-01-2012, 11:04 PM

This thrills me beyond joy

. So happy for Johan Santana!

dsvitak · 06-01-2012, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobie

And another sign of the impending apocalypse has come to pass.

I swear I saw some zombies in the left field bleachers, chowing down on some guy from Hoboken.

rjl518 · 06-01-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cbob

Met fan since '69...glory! glory! What a mensch!

Lets give kudos to my NY METS...the FIRST no-hitter in METS history...congrats to Johan and congrats to the mets...they would finally get a no hitter in their 50th anniversary of course. Go marlins and go mets!

MrHaroldG · 06-01-2012, 11:29 PM

No longer do we have to hear that running joke: "Old Mets never die; they just pitch no-hitters after leaving the Mets."

Kobie · 06-01-2012, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rjl518

Go marlins and go mets!

uh ...

04-21-2012, 10:25 PM	#45
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	It's a natural and sometimes an unnatural ebb and flow of the game. Pitching in 2012 is better than ever. We see on a nightly basis young 20 something pitchers throwing 93-97mph with movement. Sure they don't last long, instead they turn it over to specialists that may throw even better than they do. One could make the case that no-hitters and perfect games are more of an accomplishment because pitchers rarely go 9 innings any more. I wont yet. Seattle are a pathetic hitting team 0.285 OBP and an OPS+ of 83 so far in 2012. Humber can't pick his opponents so he gets kudos for making it work when the opportunity came his way. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

04-25-2012, 03:14 PM	#46
ZiggyPop Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Montreal, Qc Posts: 303	Nevermind Tulo got a hit. __________________ Sigs are overrated. Last edited by ZiggyPop; 04-25-2012 at 03:27 PM. Reason: No-hitter lost.

06-01-2012, 10:59 PM	#54
Kobie Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 288	And another sign of the impending apocalypse has come to pass. __________________ Derp

06-01-2012, 11:29 PM	#59
MrHaroldG Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 381	No longer do we have to hear that running joke: "Old Mets never die; they just pitch no-hitters after leaving the Mets." __________________ I take the expression "If you're scoring at home" literally. I do score at home.

04-21-2012, 09:41 PM	#42
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Is it just me or are these things starting to feel less special? I would love to see a statistical analysis of why these things are becoming more common. I have a few theories of my own. #1 Strike outs are at record highs and thus fewer balls are being put into play. #2 Fielders are simply better than ever before. Each season we keep seeing new records for fielding % and I think players today are all around better athletes with better mechanics, arms and range. #3 Baseball was deeply embarrassed by the steroid scandal and the year 2000 was also an embarrassment as the league had it's most extreme offensive season ever. I think since then there was been a concerted behind the scenes effort on the part of the commissioners office to increase the strike zone by a mandate to the umpires. I would love for a baseball prospectus article on this issue by someone with more time than me and better research tools.

05-03-2012, 02:33 PM	#50
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,543	I watched the last 3-4 innings of the game. Weaver pitched a gem. He definitely brought his A-game. But I had to wonder about the HP umpire's strike zone. It was huge! Do you think an umpire gets "caught up" in the moment?

06-01-2012, 10:40 PM	#52
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Bump

06-01-2012, 10:54 PM	#53
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,384	Great game by Santana..but one line drive over the third base bag kicked up chalk...clearly a fair ball. They showed the ball mark in the chalk a couple of times after that.

06-01-2012, 11:02 PM	#55
Cbob Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 25	Met fan since '69...glory! glory! What a mensch!

06-01-2012, 11:04 PM	#56
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	This thrills me beyond joy . So happy for Johan Santana!