Diagnosis pending??

DoubleBacon · 05-13-2012, 11:42 PM

WTF is this?? I've got three key players (Bruce, Rolen, and Phillips) on the bench right now w/ "diagnosis pending"! This makes no sense. I've never seen this in real baseball. I figured it would just be a one night thing until they released the info the next day. But Rolen has been pending for 4 games now, Bruce 3, and Phillips 2. I'm barely able to field a team here. I don't wanna put them on the DL until I know what's happening. Is this common?? Terrible feature that needs some work if this is the case.

ImTheCrew · 05-14-2012, 12:01 AM

You can turn it off in the settings.

DoubleBacon · 05-14-2012, 12:10 AM

Well I wish I would have turned something off. Went ahead and put all three on the DL and now they are out for 33 months lol. How stupid is that. Three star players out for 3 years lol. Don't even bother telling me that's even close to realistic cause I know better. There should be an option to "overturn" injuries. What a joke.

ALL three with the same duration of injury. OMG. No-one should ever bad mouth Baseball Mogul in here ever again.

Lou Gehrig · 05-14-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleBacon

I don't wanna put them on the DL until I know what's happening.

You would be wise not to put them on the DL until you hear from the team physician. The initial diagnosis, if you received one, can be extremely misleading. If you didn't receive one, wait it out. Sounds like they're getting a second, maybe a third opinion.

Which brings me to a question. Does the rating of your trainer effect the delay of the injury diagnosis? Is the trainer involved in this in anyway?

cblacker · 05-14-2012, 12:17 AM

1. You can go into Commissioner mode and overturn the injuries if you wish
2. This happens all the time in real baseball. In fact, just today Matt Kemp left the game with a hamstring injury and I wouldn't be surprised if the Dodgers keep him in 'Diagnosis Pending' mode for a game or two until they figure out how serious it is.
3. I don't think those guys will actually miss 3 years. I never put a guy on the DL while they were still in 'Diagnosis Pending', but I'm pretty sure the 3 years is just a placeholder value. When you get their diagnosis, that will change.

Lou Gehrig · 05-14-2012, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleBacon

Well I wish I would have turned something off. Went ahead and put all three on the DL and now they are out for 33 months lol.

They're not out for 33 months. The physicians are still conferring. Maybe they're waiting to get paid!

I'd bet you will be pleasantly surprised when you receive the final diagnosis.

DoubleBacon · 05-14-2012, 12:22 AM

Okay okay, I'm calming down a bit! Please forgive my outburst. But really. I don't ever remember three star players having career ending injuries for the same team in the same week. But now I have hope that this may not be the case after all. I will hold back my anger now and see what happens!

DoubleBacon · 05-14-2012, 12:25 AM

Thanks again for not jumping all over my angry post folks! I was so deflated at first. All the time i've put into this game and then BOOM! it all goes to ****. But then again, ain't that how life goes sometimes.

Lou Gehrig · 05-14-2012, 12:36 AM

Many of us are experiencing the "learning curve" so don't worry about it.
Just remember this is a great game, maybe not perfect, but still a great game.

While you're waiting for the final diagnosis you may want to read this post.
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-duration.html

DoubleBacon · 05-14-2012, 01:02 AM

Thanks for the link Lou. Starting to make sense now. I should have known better when I seen all three guys where out 33 weeks. I just lost all my senses when i seen "33" WEEKS lol!!!

I played one day forward and just got a Rolen DX. He fractured a finger and is out 5 weeks. Being the real Rolen likely is now retired due to his latest injury, I certainly can't cal this injury unrealistic at all.

On a side note, I do love the way the actual injuries in this game make correlate w/ actual gameplay. Most games just randomly dole out injuries that make no sense. Mogul for example. Your SP can get injured out of the blue when he ain't even pitched in days!

Rolen was hit by a pitch and broke a finger. I can easily visualize this happening.

Lou Gehrig · 05-14-2012, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleBacon

I just lost all my senses when i seen "33" WEEKS lol!!!

I'm glad to hear your blood pressure is coming back down. I was beginning to wonder if we were going to have to send you to Rolen's doctor and get a diagnosis for you!

DoubleBacon · 05-14-2012, 01:51 AM

Lol, Okay got my second diagnoses. Bruce has a sprained ankle and will be out 2 weeks. Boy oh boy, don't I feel stupid!

GMLoophole · 05-14-2012, 11:05 AM

I don't like injuries generally, but rather than start that age-old debate again, I'd like to point out that it seems that with injuries set at "very low" and delayed diagnosis set to "occasionally" that almost every injury is subject to delayed diagnosis. I've only played about a season and a half so far, but it seems like the "occasionally" means "often" when injuries are set to very low.

Not a big deal at all but I'm about ready to turn off delayed diagnosis too. As noted above, it's not that I don't think it's realistic but it doesn't seem to adjust for the injury frequency setting which limits its utility to me and other injury-haters.

BIG17EASY · 05-14-2012, 11:29 AM

Just my two cents on the topic, but I think the delayed diagnosis is nice in theory, but poorly executed. In real life, even when a final diagnosis takes a few days (Mariano Rivera, for example), we still know that it's a knee injury or a shoulder injury or a foot injury or whatever. OOTP should at least tell us a general injury update right away and then the final diagnosis in a couple days. Something like "Mariano Rivera suffered a knee injury prior to Tuesday's game in Kansas City. Diagnosis is pending." In some cases maybe it could even tell us that the injury appears minor or appears severe and that would help us judge whether to put a guy on the DL before getting the final diagnosis.

bpcarter · 05-15-2012, 01:28 PM

The default time for undiagnosed injuries to heal is 1000 days. That's where your 33 months come from. You can go in to commish mode and edit the recovery time remaining to any amount of days you want. I can't say I haven't helped my stars play a full 162 season with this feature

sjam613 · 08-29-2012, 09:46 AM

I have been hit with a lot of diagnosis pending lately. Has anyone ever had someone just have a minor injury once things are figured out? Hesitant to DL players until I know what is wrong.

SandMan · 08-29-2012, 10:27 AM

You don't have to put a player on the DL until you get the diagnosis. The time on DL is retroactive to the original date of injury. So when you get the diagnosis pending message just wait until you get the message as to his actual injury. I remember a a poster who stated he go the "33 month" injury so he put the player on the 60 day DL, then the message came out and he was a day-to-day injury for 4 days.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 08-29-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sjam613

I have been hit with a lot of diagnosis pending lately. Has anyone ever had someone just have a minor injury once things are figured out? Hesitant to DL players until I know what is wrong.

Yes. I just had a reliever get injured during a game with delayed diagnosis. I immediately sent him to the DL because my bullpen was completely gassed and I couldn't afford to not have a replacement fresh arm in there while the diagnosis was pending. The next day the diagnosis turned out to be a day-to-day injury for 4 days.

sjam613 · 08-29-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SandMan

You don't have to put a player on the DL until you get the diagnosis. The time on DL is retroactive to the original date of injury. So when you get the diagnosis pending message just wait until you get the message as to his actual injury. I remember a a poster who stated he go the "33 month" injury so he put the player on the 60 day DL, then the message came out and he was a day-to-day injury for 4 days.

Yep, which is why I don't DL the player. Just was wondering as (until this most recent one) all players that had it were out a length of time. Luckily Halladay is only out for a week!

David Watts · 08-29-2012, 10:40 AM

I know I am in the minority, but I love the "diagnosis pending" feature. For me it adds to the game and makes managing more of a challenge. How often in real life do you know the minute a guy is injured that it's a 2-4 week injury?

05-13-2012, 11:42 PM	#1
DoubleBacon Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: In the garage! Posts: 51	Diagnosis pending?? WTF is this?? I've got three key players (Bruce, Rolen, and Phillips) on the bench right now w/ "diagnosis pending"! This makes no sense. I've never seen this in real baseball. I figured it would just be a one night thing until they released the info the next day. But Rolen has been pending for 4 games now, Bruce 3, and Phillips 2. I'm barely able to field a team here. I don't wanna put them on the DL until I know what's happening. Is this common?? Terrible feature that needs some work if this is the case.

05-14-2012, 12:10 AM	#3
DoubleBacon Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: In the garage! Posts: 51	Well I wish I would have turned something off. Went ahead and put all three on the DL and now they are out for 33 months lol. How stupid is that. Three star players out for 3 years lol. Don't even bother telling me that's even close to realistic cause I know better. There should be an option to "overturn" injuries. What a joke. ALL three with the same duration of injury. OMG. No-one should ever bad mouth Baseball Mogul in here ever again. Last edited by DoubleBacon; 05-14-2012 at 12:12 AM.

05-14-2012, 12:36 AM	#9
Lou Gehrig Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: New York Posts: 292	Many of us are experiencing the "learning curve" so don't worry about it. Just remember this is a great game, maybe not perfect, but still a great game. While you're waiting for the final diagnosis you may want to read this post. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-duration.html __________________ "Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the earth." LOU GEHRIG Yankee Stadium July 4, 1939 www.alsa.org Last edited by Lou Gehrig; 05-14-2012 at 12:43 AM. Reason: Wrong link

08-29-2012, 09:46 AM	#16
sjam613 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New Milford, CT Posts: 125	I have been hit with a lot of diagnosis pending lately. Has anyone ever had someone just have a minor injury once things are figured out? Hesitant to DL players until I know what is wrong. __________________ Sjam613 on Twitter

05-14-2012, 12:01 AM	#2
ImTheCrew Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 104	You can turn it off in the settings.

05-14-2012, 12:17 AM	#5
cblacker Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 324	1. You can go into Commissioner mode and overturn the injuries if you wish 2. This happens all the time in real baseball. In fact, just today Matt Kemp left the game with a hamstring injury and I wouldn't be surprised if the Dodgers keep him in 'Diagnosis Pending' mode for a game or two until they figure out how serious it is. 3. I don't think those guys will actually miss 3 years. I never put a guy on the DL while they were still in 'Diagnosis Pending', but I'm pretty sure the 3 years is just a placeholder value. When you get their diagnosis, that will change.

05-14-2012, 12:22 AM	#7
DoubleBacon Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: In the garage! Posts: 51	Okay okay, I'm calming down a bit! Please forgive my outburst. But really. I don't ever remember three star players having career ending injuries for the same team in the same week. But now I have hope that this may not be the case after all. I will hold back my anger now and see what happens!

05-14-2012, 12:25 AM	#8
DoubleBacon Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: In the garage! Posts: 51	Thanks again for not jumping all over my angry post folks! I was so deflated at first. All the time i've put into this game and then BOOM! it all goes to ****. But then again, ain't that how life goes sometimes.

05-14-2012, 01:02 AM	#10
DoubleBacon Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: In the garage! Posts: 51	Thanks for the link Lou. Starting to make sense now. I should have known better when I seen all three guys where out 33 weeks. I just lost all my senses when i seen "33" WEEKS lol!!! I played one day forward and just got a Rolen DX. He fractured a finger and is out 5 weeks. Being the real Rolen likely is now retired due to his latest injury, I certainly can't cal this injury unrealistic at all. On a side note, I do love the way the actual injuries in this game make correlate w/ actual gameplay. Most games just randomly dole out injuries that make no sense. Mogul for example. Your SP can get injured out of the blue when he ain't even pitched in days! Rolen was hit by a pitch and broke a finger. I can easily visualize this happening.

05-14-2012, 01:51 AM	#12
DoubleBacon Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: In the garage! Posts: 51	Lol, Okay got my second diagnoses. Bruce has a sprained ankle and will be out 2 weeks. Boy oh boy, don't I feel stupid!

05-14-2012, 11:05 AM	#13
GMLoophole All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 863	I don't like injuries generally, but rather than start that age-old debate again, I'd like to point out that it seems that with injuries set at "very low" and delayed diagnosis set to "occasionally" that almost every injury is subject to delayed diagnosis. I've only played about a season and a half so far, but it seems like the "occasionally" means "often" when injuries are set to very low. Not a big deal at all but I'm about ready to turn off delayed diagnosis too. As noted above, it's not that I don't think it's realistic but it doesn't seem to adjust for the injury frequency setting which limits its utility to me and other injury-haters.

05-14-2012, 11:29 AM	#14
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	Just my two cents on the topic, but I think the delayed diagnosis is nice in theory, but poorly executed. In real life, even when a final diagnosis takes a few days (Mariano Rivera, for example), we still know that it's a knee injury or a shoulder injury or a foot injury or whatever. OOTP should at least tell us a general injury update right away and then the final diagnosis in a couple days. Something like "Mariano Rivera suffered a knee injury prior to Tuesday's game in Kansas City. Diagnosis is pending." In some cases maybe it could even tell us that the injury appears minor or appears severe and that would help us judge whether to put a guy on the DL before getting the final diagnosis.

05-15-2012, 01:28 PM	#15
bpcarter Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 10	The default time for undiagnosed injuries to heal is 1000 days. That's where your 33 months come from. You can go in to commish mode and edit the recovery time remaining to any amount of days you want. I can't say I haven't helped my stars play a full 162 season with this feature

08-29-2012, 10:27 AM	#17
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	You don't have to put a player on the DL until you get the diagnosis. The time on DL is retroactive to the original date of injury. So when you get the diagnosis pending message just wait until you get the message as to his actual injury. I remember a a poster who stated he go the "33 month" injury so he put the player on the 60 day DL, then the message came out and he was a day-to-day injury for 4 days.

08-29-2012, 10:40 AM	#20
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,942 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I know I am in the minority, but I love the "diagnosis pending" feature. For me it adds to the game and makes managing more of a challenge. How often in real life do you know the minute a guy is injured that it's a 2-4 week injury?