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jhart05 · 04-11-2012, 01:02 PM

Couple other small issues.

Burlington Bees - MWL - A - OAK
Located in Burlington, IA
(not Burlington, NC)

Also Tampa Bay Rays city doesn't come thru.
(St. Petersburg, FL)

CubbyFan23 · 04-11-2012, 01:24 PM

Noticed some occasional missing pieces in the player history, will be hitting those hard this week for All Star games, awards, etc.

hfield007 · 04-11-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by injury log

The Speed rating affects how many SB attempts a player will have. Don't think of it as running speed. If you give Samardzija a good Speed rating, he will try to steal bases. If he won't steal bases in real life, he shouldn't have a good Speed rating in OOTP.

The counter argument of course is someone who wants to start a game as the Chicago Cubs and would use Jeff's real life speed to their advantage and are basically unable to due to this problem.

Matt Arnold · 04-11-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by injury log

The Speed rating affects how many SB attempts a player will have. Don't think of it as running speed. If you give Samardzija a good Speed rating, he will try to steal bases. If he won't steal bases in real life, he shouldn't have a good Speed rating in OOTP.

Shouldn't the stealing rating be his base stealing ability, and speed be his running speed (ie. scoring from 2nd on a single)? If he's a fast guy who won't/can't steal, then I would assume it's just his stealing rating that should be terrible.

da commish · 04-11-2012, 06:46 PM

For the next roster update, the Twins Scott Baker is now out for the season - he's having surgery to repair a damaged flexor pronator tendon that will take 6 months of recovery and rehab.

injury log · 04-11-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by UWHabs

Shouldn't the stealing rating be his base stealing ability, and speed be his running speed (ie. scoring from 2nd on a single)? If he's a fast guy who won't/can't steal, then I would assume it's just his stealing rating that should be terrible.

That's what the Baserunning rating and Triple ratio rating (only visible in the Editor) are for.

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Originally Posted by hfield007

The counter argument of course is someone who wants to start a game as the Chicago Cubs and would use Jeff's real life speed to their advantage and are basically unable to due to this problem.

Pitchers simply never steal bases in real life. Samardzija has never even attempted to steal a base in his entire Major and minor league career. So what justification could we possibly have for giving him a good Speed rating, when the Speed rating controls how often a player attempts stolen bases?

As a philosophical thing, I'd prefer it if Speed acted more like a tool - that is, if it had all kinds of knock-on consequences, and helped players beat out groundballs for singles, steal bases, cover ground in the outfield, etc. But that's not what it does in OOTP. If we want the roster set to give realistic statistical output, we need to base player ratings on their expected stats. A fast guy in real life who never tries to steal bases will have a low Speed rating in OOTP.

CubbyFan23 · 04-12-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by injury log

Pitchers simply never steal bases in real life. Samardzija has never even attempted to steal a base in his entire Major and minor league career. So what justification could we possibly have for giving him a good Speed rating, when the Speed rating controls how often a player attempts stolen bases?

This - we can crank up his baserunning ability (some teams may pinch-run with an athletic pitcher late in games when the bench is empty for this reason) but that's probably it.

gosensgo101 · 04-12-2012, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by injury log

Pitchers simply never steal bases in real life. Samardzija has never even attempted to steal a base in his entire Major and minor league career. So what justification could we possibly have for giving him a good Speed rating, when the Speed rating controls how often a player attempts stolen bases?

Samardzija was a pretty good wide receiver in college, so, there's that.

damientheomen3 · 04-12-2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gosensgo101

Samardzija was a pretty good wide receiver in college, so, there's that.

And he also has no stolen base attempts in his career, so it'd make no sense to crank up a stat that controls that just because it's called speed and he's fast in real life.

phillsphan · 04-12-2012, 12:37 AM

Mr. Turner is on the AAA Roster and Adam Loewen is on the ML roster. It should be the other way around )) thanks

tgreitsma · 04-12-2012, 02:20 AM

I'm sure this has been posted elsewhere at some point, but I'm noticing many of the player weights, and some heights, are off. Most of them look like the height and weight of players when they were drafted/signed. For instance, Miguel Cabrera is listed at 6'2" 180lbs when clearly he's closer to 6'4" 260lbs. A-Rod is listed at 6'3" 190lbs when he's closer to 225 or 230.

There are too many to count. Not sure if this can be done in a patch and I guess it's not really that important, just an observation.

The game's incredible, by the way.

Tycobbler · 04-12-2012, 05:19 AM

MLB quickstart
Player history a mess
example- Justin Verlander
MAJOR LEAGUE AWARDS LISTING- not in order by date, as should be.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS= no history data to be found?? really?? uh 2011 Cy Young and MVP
AWARDS= nothing?? (see above)

OutS|der · 04-12-2012, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jhart05

Also Tampa Bay Rays city doesn't come thru.
(Obviously should be Tampa, FL.)

Well since the Rays don't play in Tampa it shouldn't show up as Tampa
The Tampa Bay Rays are based in St. Petersburg

Squiboda · 04-12-2012, 08:24 AM

I just purchased the game and played Opening Day with the Detroit Tigers.

Jared Head is not on the Tigers roster and shouldn't be starting. I have some issues with the Tigers lineups also...

I will have to play some more before I get a good feel for it, but Brennan Boesch should not be hitting 5th in the default lineup.

injury log · 04-12-2012, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gosensgo101

Samardzija was a pretty good wide receiver in college, so, there's that.

Everyone's free to edit their roster set as they like. If you want Samardzija to look like a world-class sprinter when you open his Profile, then by all means go into Commish mode, open his Editor tab, and give him great Speed. He'll also attempt to steal bases if you do that, and that's why no one involved with producing this roster set will ever give him a good Speed rating.

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Originally Posted by Squiboda

I will have to play some more before I get a good feel for it, but Brennan Boesch should not be hitting 5th in the default lineup.

We can't do much to control how the AI selects its lineups. The AI looks at its players and uses an algorithm based on the player ratings to generate a lineup. That algorithm is probably a bit different from Jim Leyland's brain.

CubbyFan23 · 04-12-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Squiboda

I will have to play some more before I get a good feel for it, but Brennan Boesch should not be hitting 5th in the default lineup.

Unfortunately, we have no control over changing this.

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Originally Posted by Tycobbler

MLB quickstart
Player history a mess
example- Justin Verlander
MAJOR LEAGUE AWARDS LISTING- not in order by date, as should be.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS= no history data to be found?? really?? uh 2011 Cy Young and MVP
AWARDS= nothing?? (see above)

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Noticed some occasional missing pieces in the player history, will be hitting those hard this week for All Star games, awards, etc.

See my note from earlier in this page re: history. Unfortunately every piece is hand coded by someone on the beta team and some of the newer awards seemed to slip through the cracks. We're updating those now. As I've been checking players, there's not too much missing other than some occasional 2010/2011 updates. Ton of info included in the player profiles.

CubbyFan23 · 04-12-2012, 10:53 AM

Also, due to the way the AI constructs rosters by default, there are some things we just can't change with the 25-man default rosters unless we give players position ratings at positions they've never played. Justin Turner/Loewen is an example of this on the Mets, they really want to carry an extra infielder and I'm not sure there's a way around it unfortunately. Head is another example.

cody8200 · 04-12-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

See my note from earlier in this page re: history. Additionally, it definitely not a mess considering every piece is hand coded by someone on the beta team. As I've been checking players, there's not too much missing other than some occasional 2010/2011 updates. Ton of info included in the player profiles.

The tone of his post bothers me as well (and I did no work on the rosters). Do people realize how much work it was to get this done and you do it as volunteers? I think most do but obviously a few do not. Go look at The Show and MLB 2k12, you know, games where people get paid to do rosters and see how accurate they are. A 'mess'? Quite simply, those are fighting words. Overall, the player histories are unbelievably accurate.

OutS|der · 04-12-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cody8200

Do people realize how much work it was to get this done and you do it as volunteers? I think most do but obviously a few do not. Go look at The Show and MLB 2k12, you know, games where people get paid to do rosters and see how accurate they are. A 'mess'? Quite simply, those are fighting words. Overall, the player histories are unbelievably accurate.

This would require common sense and i've found most people don't have any.

What does being a WR in college have anything to do with speed in baseball?

Thinking must hurt no wonder so many don't use their brains

Pacoheadley · 04-12-2012, 11:45 AM

I am not sure if this is something that should applies in this thread, but when looking around at players, Bronson Arroyo is off.
His groundball percentage in the game is 62%, but last year in real life it was 38%, and has never been higher than 44%.
My only issue I have seen so far, and it is very minor, as his movement is low like it should be .

04-11-2012, 01:02 PM	#141
jhart05 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 315	Couple other small issues. Burlington Bees - MWL - A - OAK Located in Burlington, IA (not Burlington, NC) Also Tampa Bay Rays city doesn't come thru. (St. Petersburg, FL) Last edited by jhart05; 04-12-2012 at 01:58 PM.

04-11-2012, 06:46 PM	#145
da commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 549	Twins - Scott Baker For the next roster update, the Twins Scott Baker is now out for the season - he's having surgery to repair a damaged flexor pronator tendon that will take 6 months of recovery and rehab.

04-12-2012, 12:37 AM	#150
phillsphan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 204	Mets Justin Turner Mr. Turner is on the AAA Roster and Adam Loewen is on the ML roster. It should be the other way around )) thanks

04-12-2012, 02:20 AM	#151
tgreitsma Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Windsor, ON, Canada Posts: 116	Player sizes I'm sure this has been posted elsewhere at some point, but I'm noticing many of the player weights, and some heights, are off. Most of them look like the height and weight of players when they were drafted/signed. For instance, Miguel Cabrera is listed at 6'2" 180lbs when clearly he's closer to 6'4" 260lbs. A-Rod is listed at 6'3" 190lbs when he's closer to 225 or 230. There are too many to count. Not sure if this can be done in a patch and I guess it's not really that important, just an observation. The game's incredible, by the way.

04-12-2012, 05:19 AM	#152
Tycobbler All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 20 minutes from Comerica Park Posts: 1,955	MLB quickstart Player history a mess example- Justin Verlander MAJOR LEAGUE AWARDS LISTING- not in order by date, as should be. ACCOMPLISHMENTS= no history data to be found?? really?? uh 2011 Cy Young and MVP AWARDS= nothing?? (see above) Last edited by Tycobbler; 04-12-2012 at 05:21 AM.

04-11-2012, 01:24 PM	#142
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	Noticed some occasional missing pieces in the player history, will be hitting those hard this week for All Star games, awards, etc.

04-12-2012, 08:24 AM	#154
Squiboda Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 11	I just purchased the game and played Opening Day with the Detroit Tigers. Jared Head is not on the Tigers roster and shouldn't be starting. I have some issues with the Tigers lineups also... I will have to play some more before I get a good feel for it, but Brennan Boesch should not be hitting 5th in the default lineup.

04-12-2012, 10:53 AM	#157
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	Also, due to the way the AI constructs rosters by default, there are some things we just can't change with the 25-man default rosters unless we give players position ratings at positions they've never played. Justin Turner/Loewen is an example of this on the Mets, they really want to carry an extra infielder and I'm not sure there's a way around it unfortunately. Head is another example.

04-12-2012, 11:45 AM	#160
Pacoheadley All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Kincheloe, MI Posts: 521	I am not sure if this is something that should applies in this thread, but when looking around at players, Bronson Arroyo is off. His groundball percentage in the game is 62%, but last year in real life it was 38%, and has never been higher than 44%. My only issue I have seen so far, and it is very minor, as his movement is low like it should be .