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06-10-2003, 10:20 PM
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Minors (Single A)
Join Date: Mar 2002
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Hall of fame material or not
#91 Carmelo Hernandez, Starting Pitcher, 39 yrs, No Team
Friday, 1/31/2017 Name : Nickname : Birthday : Age : Born in : Height : Weight : Position : Bats : Throws : Carmelo Hernandez 6/28/1977 39 Mexico 6"0 190 Starting Pitcher S R Contract : Salary : Signed Through : Desire for Winner : Loyalty : Team Leader Skills : Consistency : Clutch Performance : Injury Rating : Overall Rating : Minor League Contract - - Average Loyal None at all Good Normal Prone 1.0 Stars Pitching Ratings Pitching Runs Hits Doubles Homeruns Walks Strikeouts Velocity Overall 0 5 3 2 2 9 7 vs. LHP 5 3 2 2 9 vs. RHP 5 3 2 2 9 Talent Average Fair Poor Poor Good Pitching Ratings Duration Starter : Duration Reliever : Groundball Pct. : Holding Runners : E - 46 C Pitches: Fastball Changeup Curveball Slider Batting Ratings Batting Hits Doubles Triples Homeruns Walks Strikeouts Overall 0 3 1 1 2 1 vs. LHP 0 3 1 1 2 1 vs. RHP 0 3 1 1 2 1 Talent Poor Fair Poor Poor Fair Poor Running & Bunting Ratings Running Speed : Stealing Ability : Sacrifice Bunt : Bunt for Hit : Hitter Type : D D D E Spray Hitter Fielding Ratings P : E (Range), .974 (Fielding Pct.) Catcher Arm : - Outfield Arm : - Game Log, Last 10 Games Date Opp. Result Start IP H R ER BB K Dec Pitching Stats 2017 Overall G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER BB K CG CG% SHO QS QS% 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .0 0 0 .0 Overall SVO BS SV% RA GF R/9 H/9 K/9 BB/9 RL RLS RLS% IR IRS IRS% ERC 0 0 .0 0 0 .0 .0 .0 .0 0 0 .0 0 0 .0 0.00 AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K SF SH HP AVG OBP SLG OPS vs. LHB 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 vs. RHB 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER BB K Home 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 Road 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 This Week 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 Last Week 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 Month G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER BB K Career Pitching Stats Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER BB K CG SHO Teams 2003 34 34 13 13 0 4.81 215.1 206 120 115 80 321 1 0 KNO 2004 32 31 10 9 0 3.42 210.2 168 86 80 66 324 4 2 KNO 2005 38 38 12 11 0 3.40 251.2 233 99 95 56 377 1 1 KNO 2006 43 43 13 15 0 4.08 258.0 233 123 117 77 463 0 0 KNO 2007 40 40 17 9 0 2.44 265.2 185 78 72 69 433 1 1 KNO 2008 40 40 16 7 0 3.06 247.1 205 89 84 72 421 0 0 KNO,L2 2009 37 37 19 9 0 3.40 230.1 201 97 87 75 321 1 0 KNO 2010 49 49 17 9 0 3.64 284.2 250 118 115 95 522 0 0 KNO 2011 38 38 15 9 0 3.66 238.2 211 100 97 70 366 0 0 KNO 2012 47 47 22 9 0 3.74 274.0 255 121 114 93 411 1 1 KNO,L2 2013 40 37 20 5 0 3.58 241.2 243 101 96 73 350 1 1 KNO,L2 2014 51 31 21 2 0 2.09 232.2 180 59 54 69 329 0 0 KNO,L2 2015 29 29 20 4 0 2.90 189.0 142 65 61 66 240 3 0 KNO,L2 2016 41 25 14 6 0 5.35 133.0 128 82 79 72 152 0 0 KNO,L2 Total 559 519 229 117 0 3.48 3272.2 2840 1338 1266 1033 5030 13 6 Career Minor League Pitching Stats Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER BB K CG SHO Career Postseason Pitching Stats Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER BB K CG SHO 2008 1 1 0 1 0 9.64 4.2 9 5 5 0 8 0 0 2010 1 1 1 0 0 3.24 8.1 6 3 3 3 18 0 0 2011 4 4 3 1 0 3.55 25.1 24 12 10 11 37 0 0 2012 3 3 1 1 0 3.71 17.0 16 10 7 6 26 1 0 2013 6 3 2 1 0 4.01 24.2 27 11 11 8 37 0 0 2015 3 3 2 0 0 2.41 18.2 16 5 5 6 19 0 0 Total 18 15 9 4 0 3.74 98.2 98 46 41 34 145 1 0 Career Batting Stats Year G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Teams 2003 34 68 8 2 0 0 3 2 4 21 0 0 .118 .167 .147 .314 KNO 2004 32 69 9 3 0 0 3 4 3 30 0 0 .130 .167 .174 .341 KNO 2005 38 75 10 2 0 1 9 4 3 27 0 0 .133 .167 .200 .367 KNO 2006 43 81 11 3 0 0 5 3 3 31 0 0 .136 .167 .173 .340 KNO 2007 40 81 9 4 0 1 4 6 8 31 0 0 .111 .191 .198 .389 KNO 2008 40 83 8 0 0 1 4 4 4 30 0 0 .096 .138 .133 .270 KNO,L2 2009 37 78 6 2 0 1 3 3 2 33 0 0 .077 .100 .141 .241 KNO 2010 49 89 10 1 0 0 5 5 8 32 0 0 .112 .186 .124 .309 KNO 2011 38 75 11 2 0 2 6 12 5 26 0 0 .147 .200 .253 .453 KNO 2012 47 91 10 4 0 0 6 8 4 47 0 0 .110 .147 .154 .301 KNO,L2 2013 40 90 7 2 0 0 4 7 5 40 0 0 .078 .126 .100 .226 KNO,L2 2014 51 77 6 2 0 0 3 5 4 35 0 0 .078 .123 .104 .227 KNO,L2 2015 29 65 10 0 1 1 8 8 5 25 0 0 .154 .214 .231 .445 KNO,L2 2016 41 42 5 1 0 1 2 7 2 19 0 0 .119 .159 .214 .373 KNO,L2 Total 559 1064 120 28 1 8 65 78 60 427 0 0 .113 .160 .164 .324 Fielding Stats 2017 Position G GS PO A DP TC E PCT INN RANGE PB RSTA RTO RTO% Player History Drafted in 2nd round, 35th overall pick, by Knoxville in 2003... Earned first career win on 4/12/2003... Had first career hit (double) on 4/23/2003, off Timothy Tremblay (OMA)... Struck out 15 batters against Kansas City on 9/11/2003... Struck out 15 batters against Memphis on 6/17/2004... Struck out 15 batters against Houston on 8/4/2004... Struck out 17 batters against Raleigh on 8/14/2004... Injured on 9/13/2004 with a Torn Bicep Muscle, out for 6-7 weeks... Hit first career homerun on 8/30/2005, off Daniel Devera (MIL)... Struck out 15 batters against Colorado on 5/31/2006... Struck out 15 batters against Portland on 7/2/2006... Struck out 17 batters against Miami on 7/26/2006... Struck out 15 batters against Raleigh on 8/22/2006... Set a new season L2-Record for Strikeouts with 383 on 9/7/2006 ... Struck out 16 batters against Houston on 4/2/2007... Struck out 15 batters against Palm Beach on 4/6/2007... Struck out 15 batters against Hartford on 5/24/2007... Struck out 16 batters against Kansas City on 8/23/2007... Struck out 16 batters against Omaha on 4/6/2008... Struck out 16 batters against Miami on 5/13/2008... Was selected to the 2008 Allstar game... Struck out 16 batters against Houston on 9/8/2008... Struck out 15 batters against Tucson on 9/12/2008... Injured on 4/3/2009 with a Pulled Tricep Tendon, out for 3 weeks... Struck out 18 batters against Portland on 7/1/2009... Struck out 20 batters against Tucson on 4/9/2010... Struck out 15 batters against Miami on 4/16/2010... Struck out 17 batters against Kansas City on 4/29/2010... Struck out 16 batters against Tucson on 8/3/2010... Set a new season L2-Record for Strikeouts with 468 on 9/10/2010 ... Struck out 18 batters against Colorado on 10/6/2010... Struck out 16 batters against Memphis on 5/13/2011... Struck out 15 batters against Omaha on 5/16/2012... Struck out 15 batters against Richmond on 7/2/2012... Was selected to the 2012 Allstar game... Won Player of the Week award on 9/22/2012, winning 2 gamesgames with a 1.37 ERA... Won World Championship with Knoxville in 2012... Struck out 16 batters against Palm Beach on 4/16/2013... Was selected to the 2013 Allstar game... Won World Championship with Knoxville in 2013... Was selected to the 2014 Allstar game... Won World Championship with Knoxville in 2014... Was selected to the 2015 Allstar game... Won World Championship with Knoxville in 2015... Was selected to the 2016 Allstar game... Won World Championship with Knoxville in 2016... Retired in 2017. Pitching Leader Boards Appearances ERA 2007 - 2.44 - 6th 2014 - 2.09 - 3rd 2015 - 2.90 - 9th WHIP 2004 - 1.11 - 10th 2007 - 0.96 - 4th 2014 - 1.07 - 10th Wins 2007 - 17 - 6th 2008 - 16 - 7th 2009 - 19 - 5th 2010 - 17 - 8th 2012 - 22 - 3rd 2013 - 20 - 3rd 2014 - 21 - 3rd 2015 - 20 - 3rd Losses 2006 - 15 - 10th IP 2005 - 251.2 - 2nd 2006 - 258.0 - 3rd 2007 - 265.2 - 4th 2008 - 247.1 - 5th 2009 - 230.1 - 8th 2010 - 284.2 - 2nd 2011 - 238.2 - 5th 2012 - 274.0 - 1st 2013 - 241.2 - 3rd K's 2003 - 321 - 2nd 2004 - 324 - 4th 2005 - 377 - 1st 2006 - 463 - 1st 2007 - 433 - 2nd 2008 - 421 - 2nd 2009 - 321 - 3rd 2010 - 522 - 1st 2011 - 366 - 1st 2012 - 411 - 1st 2013 - 350 - 1st 2014 - 329 - 1st 2015 - 240 - 5th BB 2010 - 95 - 5th 2012 - 93 - 4th SHO 2004 - 2 - 8th What do you think should he make the hall? |
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06-10-2003, 10:25 PM
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Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Jun 2003
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I would definitely say yes. The E.R.A. is nothing unbelieveable, but he had a solid 229 wins. Also, what makes him HOF material, is his 5,030 strikeouts. That to go along with 4 WS wins and 6 all-star appearances put him in the hall for me.
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06-10-2003, 11:11 PM
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Canada
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Yeah I would have to agree this guy belongs in the hall for the same reasons as El Caballo said
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06-10-2003, 11:15 PM
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Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Berkeley, CA
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For me, no ... ERA isn't good enough, 229 wins aren't enough.
On the other hand, in the context of your league, maybe he's good enough. I've noticed OOTP doesn't have a lot of 300-game winners, for instance. In the league I'm currently running, midway through 2025, league began 2003 w/Total Minors, I've got 12 pitchers with more than 229 wins. Of the pitchers with at least 3000 IP, 22 have a better ERA than your guy, 13 are worse, which means he's below average in a group like that. So in my league, he gets points for longevity, but not for much else. Your league might have higher ERAs, though. On the OTHER hand, his numbers make him Luis Tiant with 55 fewer losses, and that ain't too shabby. |
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06-11-2003, 12:09 AM
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Minors (Rookie Ball)
Join Date: Jun 2003
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oh yeah, 400 K in one season, are you kidding!
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06-11-2003, 12:51 AM
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Banned
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era not good enough ... wins not good enough .... k's good enough ... maybe but not definetley ....
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06-11-2003, 01:01 AM
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All Star Reserve
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Celina, Ohio
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I'd put him in. His dominance of hitters with the strikeouts would stick in my mind if I was a voter. Not to mention the World Series victories.
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06-11-2003, 01:32 AM
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Minors (Rookie Ball)
Join Date: Jun 2003
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I just looked again, he struck out 500 in 2010, definitely in!
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06-11-2003, 01:37 AM
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Minors (Double A)
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Location: Berkeley, CA
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06-11-2003, 03:12 AM
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Minors (Rookie Ball)
Join Date: Jun 2003
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look at some seasons though his ERA was down under 2.50, that's good. Plus, 500 K in one year is unprecedented domination of batters.
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06-11-2003, 03:13 AM
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All Star Reserve
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Celina, Ohio
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Most definitely. I have seen worse in the Hall of Fame.
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06-11-2003, 03:15 AM
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Minors (Double A)
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06-11-2003, 03:35 AM
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All Star Reserve
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Location: Celina, Ohio
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Does to me
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06-11-2003, 10:12 AM
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: May 2003
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K's aside, this guy looks a whole lot like Jack Morris. A really good pitcher, but not really a great pitcher. Also, for his career 13 CG's and 6 SHo's? Now he's starting to look more like a durable version of Sid Fernandez.
Back to the K's, I am almost inclined to think that is a product of an out of whack era setting. His other numbers just don't jive with a guy throwing that many K's. Guys throwing that kind of heat certainly should have more than 6 career SHo's. The bottom line goes back to context. If he is far and away throwing more K's than anyone else of his generation, then maybe he gets in after two or three years of elgibility. If 300 K's a season is not uncommon during his era, then he's the Jack Morris of his era, deserves some consideration, but doesn't get overwhelming support of the voters.
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06-11-2003, 11:49 AM
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All Star Starter
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Lets see, what is wrong with this picture? 522 SO, 95 BB, 3.64 ERA?
This would never occur in any reality outside of Marvel Comics, and is the kind of stat "player" that just eviscerates any sense of believability for me, which led to shelving the game for the time being. Ah, but I am a grumpy old man, and your mileage may differ. Back to your question: Absolutely! And while you're at it, induct this poor sucker into the Medical HOF so they can cryogenically preserve that fabulous flinger for the future generations to gawk at. |
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06-11-2003, 11:52 AM
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Hall Of Famer
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So he averaged 16.5 strikeouts per nine innings that one season? Although that believeability issue is fairly easy to handle if one pays attention to stats and league totals.
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06-11-2003, 12:48 PM
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Major Leagues
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Nope. Strikeouts don't get a player into the hall alone.
K's 2004 - 324 - 4th 2007 - 433 - 2nd 2008 - 421 - 2nd 2009 - 321 - 3rd I think the strikeout settings are way out of wack. 433 and 421 K's and only 2nd?...324 and 4th?..321 and 3rd? Those would be in the top 15 single season strikeouts (post-1900 [after pitchers stopped throwing 400+ IP]). |
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06-11-2003, 01:05 PM
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Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Jan 2002
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I'd have to say "no" to the Hall of Fame. It seems like your strikeout settings were way outta whack! A guy has over 400 strikeouts and he doesn't lead the league!?! Yes, he appears to be a good pitcher, but not great. Once again, I don't think doing one thing good qualifies one for the Hall of Fame. And knowing that your era settings seem to be out of whack makes it hard to rate him.
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06-11-2003, 03:05 PM
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Minors (Triple A)
Join Date: Apr 2003
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299 career wins.
4WS how can you say the guy is HoF material.
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06-11-2003, 03:15 PM
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Hall Of Famer
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He only had 229 wins.
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