How about a nice warm cup of playoff roster wackiness?

Nunyer · 02-07-2012, 12:53 AM

I used the search function like a responsible forum member, but didn't find anything that quite matched my situation... so I decided to make a new thread....

I lost three position players, all starters, to injury after the Sept 1st roster expansion / playoff roster deadline. They were all lost for the postseason... but I managed to hold on and take my weak division with 91 wins.

Now comes the playoff roster... well, thanks to injuries that happened before Sept 1st, I had a couple of AAA callups who had been on the active roster and were playoff eligible, problem is only one of them was a position player, the other was a pitcher that I didn't need in the postseason. Tried as I might, I couldn't get any other position players from the 40 man or 25 man active to my playoff roster. I was stuck, three starters on the DL, only one replacement available.... TO THE EDITOR!! was my final decision... I snagged my best two options from Triple A, checked their "playoff eligible" boxes and limped my 25 men into their expected first round thrashing from the 102 win Flint Vandals.

First playoff game, two more position players hurt, each for 3-4 weeks. Wonderful. Put them both on the DL... figuring the only choice I got now is more editor shenanigans... except now that doesn't even do the trick. I can't add anybody, even the bullpen guy that was legitimately eligible to begin with... action -> transaction -> add to playoff roster = "Roster moves are not allowed during a playoff series!" ... Despite the game telling me I had two spots open for the playoff roster and my active roster being the 25 players I wanted to take into Game 2.

So... I guess my question is... how is that supposed to work when you suffer multiple long term injuries after Sept 1st and your legitimate playoff eligible guys are depleted? Do you just go into the playoffs shorthanded? If five playoff eligible guys are lost between roster expansion and game two of the first round... what are the options?

I was swept in three games and still would have been swept in three games with two more Triple A guys rotting on my bench. At this point, just curious if this was a perfect storm situation that the game is not equipped to deal with... or something that I was missing / screwing up.

Rshugoblue · 02-10-2012, 02:59 PM

I wish I had your problem.

For the last 3 seasons, I entered the playoffs as the number 1 or 2 team. In each of the first two games of the playoffs, I suffered a significant number of injuries. Season 1: I lost my number 1 starter and 6 regular offensive players. I was stuck playing a pitcher in the OF. The same pattern continued in the 2nd season, althoguh I only lost my top 2 starters (during their starts, of course) and my top 2 offensive players. In the 3rd season, I rested my players over the last 2 weeks of the season, basically playing them everyother day. Same results. Lost 2 of my top 3 starters and 3 offesnvie players (one starter lost on the last day of the season). The players did not have an injury rating as fragile.

Seems to be a common theme.

Le Grande Orange · 02-10-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nunyer

First playoff game, two more position players hurt, each for 3-4 weeks. Wonderful. Put them both on the DL... figuring the only choice I got now is more editor shenanigans... except now that doesn't even do the trick. I can't add anybody, even the bullpen guy that was legitimately eligible to begin with... action -> transaction -> add to playoff roster = "Roster moves are not allowed during a playoff series!" ...

MLB used to have exactly the same rule. Injuries during a playoff series could not be replaced. The rule was only changed a few years ago, back in 2007, to allow injury replacements during a series.

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Originally Posted by Nunyer

So... I guess my question is... how is that supposed to work when you suffer multiple long term injuries after Sept 1st and your legitimate playoff eligible guys are depleted?

This is why real-world clubs with a chance of making the post-season often put guys onto the DL in late August so as to give themselves as many playoff eligible players as possible.

Nunyer · 02-15-2012, 02:10 PM

Just noticed another weird glitch going on...

Due to the previous experience I had with the playoff rosters, I turned them off... and have played 3 or 4 seasons without any issues. But now something else weird is happening. All of the CPU teams in the playoffs still have expanded rosters, as if they were not forced to pare back down to 25 players. Looking at the remaining CPU teams left:

Sacramento Maroons: 36/25 players
Flint Vandals: 37/25 players
New York Ragamuffins: 40/25 players

As far as I can tell, none of the teams have used more than 25 players... but I'm not sure if this is because the remaining callups just aren't good enough to see the field or if the teams actually do have 25 man rosters but are just showing more than that.

Whether I look on the transaction overview screen or at the substitution screens during the game, it's the same, the CPU team is showing way more than 25 players.

Anybody else seen this before?

phenom · 02-15-2012, 04:40 PM

Rtfm

phenom · 02-15-2012, 04:41 PM

hehe

Nunyer · 02-15-2012, 05:09 PM

Ok, I just looked at the online manual... Might not be looking in the right places, but I don't see where it explained why the CPU teams have 35+ players showing on a 25 man roster.

hefalumps · 02-15-2012, 10:21 PM

I think part of the underlying problem is that OOTP still has some kind of 25-man roster limit hardcoded during the playoffs, even if it's still showing 40-man rosters available for all teams.

I discovered this in my first year of using the Playoff Rosters feature. I had a player that was hurt in September but would potentially be healthy in time for the ALCS (if I made it). I put him on the DL so that I'd be able to replace him on the playoff roster for the ALDS.

That part worked fine... I was able to use a non-eligible player as his replacement for the ALDS. But in between the ALDS and the ALCS when I tried to move my now healthy, playoff eligible player from the DL back to the Active Roster, it wouldn't let me - saying my roster was full. After searching the forums, I discovered I had to trim down my active roster to 24 players (despite the fact the limit still said 40) so that I could get my player off the DL and on to my active roster. Then I was able to add him to my playoff roster.

This may explain what you saw with playoff rosters disabled - the game may still show 40 players, but there still seems to be some kind of "behind the scenes" hardcoded 25 man limit in there.

It would be nice if the playoff rosters get cleaned up a bit for OOTP13. I love the feature, and once you learn the limitations you can usually work around them, but it'd be nice if it just *worked*. And injury replacements during postseason series would be really nice too.

02-07-2012, 12:53 AM	#1
Nunyer All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Baseball Ned Flanders stares into your soul... Posts: 594	How about a nice warm cup of playoff roster wackiness? I used the search function like a responsible forum member, but didn't find anything that quite matched my situation... so I decided to make a new thread.... I lost three position players, all starters, to injury after the Sept 1st roster expansion / playoff roster deadline. They were all lost for the postseason... but I managed to hold on and take my weak division with 91 wins. Now comes the playoff roster... well, thanks to injuries that happened before Sept 1st, I had a couple of AAA callups who had been on the active roster and were playoff eligible, problem is only one of them was a position player, the other was a pitcher that I didn't need in the postseason. Tried as I might, I couldn't get any other position players from the 40 man or 25 man active to my playoff roster. I was stuck, three starters on the DL, only one replacement available.... TO THE EDITOR!! was my final decision... I snagged my best two options from Triple A, checked their "playoff eligible" boxes and limped my 25 men into their expected first round thrashing from the 102 win Flint Vandals. First playoff game, two more position players hurt, each for 3-4 weeks. Wonderful. Put them both on the DL... figuring the only choice I got now is more editor shenanigans... except now that doesn't even do the trick. I can't add anybody, even the bullpen guy that was legitimately eligible to begin with... action -> transaction -> add to playoff roster = "Roster moves are not allowed during a playoff series!" ... Despite the game telling me I had two spots open for the playoff roster and my active roster being the 25 players I wanted to take into Game 2. So... I guess my question is... how is that supposed to work when you suffer multiple long term injuries after Sept 1st and your legitimate playoff eligible guys are depleted? Do you just go into the playoffs shorthanded? If five playoff eligible guys are lost between roster expansion and game two of the first round... what are the options? I was swept in three games and still would have been swept in three games with two more Triple A guys rotting on my bench. At this point, just curious if this was a perfect storm situation that the game is not equipped to deal with... or something that I was missing / screwing up.

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02-10-2012, 02:59 PM	#2
Rshugoblue Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 7	I wish I had your problem. For the last 3 seasons, I entered the playoffs as the number 1 or 2 team. In each of the first two games of the playoffs, I suffered a significant number of injuries. Season 1: I lost my number 1 starter and 6 regular offensive players. I was stuck playing a pitcher in the OF. The same pattern continued in the 2nd season, althoguh I only lost my top 2 starters (during their starts, of course) and my top 2 offensive players. In the 3rd season, I rested my players over the last 2 weeks of the season, basically playing them everyother day. Same results. Lost 2 of my top 3 starters and 3 offesnvie players (one starter lost on the last day of the season). The players did not have an injury rating as fragile. Seems to be a common theme.

02-15-2012, 02:10 PM	#4
Nunyer All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Baseball Ned Flanders stares into your soul... Posts: 594	Just noticed another weird glitch going on... Due to the previous experience I had with the playoff rosters, I turned them off... and have played 3 or 4 seasons without any issues. But now something else weird is happening. All of the CPU teams in the playoffs still have expanded rosters, as if they were not forced to pare back down to 25 players. Looking at the remaining CPU teams left: Sacramento Maroons: 36/25 players Flint Vandals: 37/25 players New York Ragamuffins: 40/25 players As far as I can tell, none of the teams have used more than 25 players... but I'm not sure if this is because the remaining callups just aren't good enough to see the field or if the teams actually do have 25 man rosters but are just showing more than that. Whether I look on the transaction overview screen or at the substitution screens during the game, it's the same, the CPU team is showing way more than 25 players. Anybody else seen this before?

02-15-2012, 05:09 PM	#7
Nunyer All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Baseball Ned Flanders stares into your soul... Posts: 594	Ok, I just looked at the online manual... Might not be looking in the right places, but I don't see where it explained why the CPU teams have 35+ players showing on a 25 man roster.

02-15-2012, 10:21 PM	#8
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,392	I think part of the underlying problem is that OOTP still has some kind of 25-man roster limit hardcoded during the playoffs, even if it's still showing 40-man rosters available for all teams. I discovered this in my first year of using the Playoff Rosters feature. I had a player that was hurt in September but would potentially be healthy in time for the ALCS (if I made it). I put him on the DL so that I'd be able to replace him on the playoff roster for the ALDS. That part worked fine... I was able to use a non-eligible player as his replacement for the ALDS. But in between the ALDS and the ALCS when I tried to move my now healthy, playoff eligible player from the DL back to the Active Roster, it wouldn't let me - saying my roster was full. After searching the forums, I discovered I had to trim down my active roster to 24 players (despite the fact the limit still said 40) so that I could get my player off the DL and on to my active roster. Then I was able to add him to my playoff roster. This may explain what you saw with playoff rosters disabled - the game may still show 40 players, but there still seems to be some kind of "behind the scenes" hardcoded 25 man limit in there. It would be nice if the playoff rosters get cleaned up a bit for OOTP13. I love the feature, and once you learn the limitations you can usually work around them, but it'd be nice if it just worked. And injury replacements during postseason series would be really nice too.