how do you add a new position to a player? - Page 2

Chicagofan76 · 05-31-2011, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It seems you get "extra credit" when you try the change in spring. At least to me, it seems they gain quicker during the spring than in the regular season.

I wish...I changed my LF position to 1B he played 17 games at 1B in ST and although he only has 0 errors at 1B this yr...i figured his ratings would be alot higher.(played 16 games at 1B in 2005)

Jagger · 05-31-2011, 11:16 AM

Ray Durham has played 1st base at least a few innings every game in the first 12 spring training games. His original 1st base positional rating was 0 and is now 12. So he has gained 1 point of position rating for every spring training game at 1st base. He is 32 years old and has a work ethic of 63 and intelligence rating of 59. His morale is very good.

It should be interesting to see what his rating is when the last spring break game is finished. If it is 23, I will be satisfied. With a positional rating of 23, I can play him at first during regular season games with a respectable perforance. And I suspect sometime during the season, Durham will be a better defensive 1st baseman than my current man and I can shift Durham to first. Durham is a good power hitter and a so-so defensive 2nd basemen. I would rather have him as a good power hitter and a very good defensive 1st basemen and have someone else take over 2nd as an excellent defensive 2nd basemen with decent hitting.

As far as I can tell, a players defensive performance starts with his range, arm and error ratings. The positional rating is experience which then overlays the range, arm and error ratings. So to find a good defensive player, first you look at his range, arm and error ratings and then his experience. Both his inherent ability and experience are important but I don't know which carries the greater weight. I suspect his inherent ratings.

PS: I am using the 100 scale for ratings.

Chicagofan76 · 05-31-2011, 01:17 PM

teaching an IF 1B, should be easier then teaching a LF 1B but I could be wrong. now that being said Durham at 1B? why not LF or CF? Sox wanted to move him to CF at 1 point it just never happened.

Jagger · 05-31-2011, 03:13 PM

Durham is capable of playing outfield but I am now doing the 2004 Giants. Great hitting but poor defense. So I have brought on a good defensive, gap hitting infielder, Juan Castro, to team up with Neifi Ferez which upgrades my center infield. I also brought on a couple good defensive, gap hitting outfielders to strengthen my defensive capabilities in right, left and center when necessary. Right now, I have Snow at first base and he is a great hitter but he is getting old and his defense his weak. So Durham is needed more at first than outfield.

I am actually going to platoon dependent on the situation. Now that I have the capability of strong defense or offense, I will go either dependent on groundball/flyball or quality of pitcher, opponent pitching/hitting, ballpark, etc. Actually a top defense can sometimes save a poor pitcher. And shortly, my only significant weaknesses will be pitching and third base. But can't do much about it this season.

2004 Giants are actually a pretty good team.

damientheomen3 · 05-31-2011, 03:51 PM

Didn't read through this thread, but here are a few things on the topic of fielding:

If you have coaches enabled, your coaches' teach fielding ratings will affect the speed that a player learns a position.

Easier positions are learned faster (I believe the spectrum, from hardest to easiest, is SS, 2B, CF, 3B, RF, LF, 1B) and will be learned faster by players with high defensive ratings. So, if you have a second baseman with an 8 in range (out of 10), a 9 in glove, a 6 in arm and a 7 in turn DP it'll probably only take him ~20 spring training games to be a pretty good first baseman.

Players earn experience at positions twice as fast during spring training.

tejdog1 · 05-31-2011, 04:57 PM

Would there be any negatives with say... benching my starting 1b, or having him play all over the infield (he's got 50/100 ratings at the other 3 IF positions) during spring, and playing my LFer exclusively at 1b in spring?

And would I have to use the force start, or is changing the lineups/depth charts good enough? I never have used the 7 day lineup thingy (any way to just disable that?)

Jagger · 05-31-2011, 09:43 PM

You want your 1 baseman to get some hits in pre-season. At what position, doesn't really matter. Apparently there is some warm up time after a layoff before a batter gets into optimum hitting form. So your starters need some at bats before the regular season or they will hit poorly at the start of the season. Although I am not sure how many at bats are needed to shake the rust off.

7mart7 · 10-17-2011, 03:09 AM

Thanks for a great thread, guys. Very informative.

I have a 1977 team which has both George Brett and Darrell Evans, so I wanted to move Evans to 1B where he had no rating.

I had him play 1B every day in spring training and he gained about 2 rating points per week. He was an 8 when we started the regular season, so I played him there every day. He made 24 errors, .985 pct. over the season, but I noticed that by the time we played in the World Series he was rated 18 (out of 20) at 1B.

All of this was with a manager rated Ok and bench coach rated decent for teaching fielding.

Chicagofan76 · 10-17-2011, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7mart7

Thanks for a great thread, guys. Very informative.

I have a 1977 team which has both George Brett and Darrell Evans, so I wanted to move Evans to 1B where he had no rating.

I had him play 1B every day in spring training and he gained about 2 rating points per week. He was an 8 when we started the regular season, so I played him there every day. He made 24 errors, .985 pct. over the season, but I noticed that by the time we played in the World Series he was rated 18 (out of 20) at 1B.

All of this was with a manager rated Ok and bench coach rated decent for teaching fielding.

Did Evans have any fielding ratings for 1B? I have tried making Harold Baines a 1B several times, and although I have gotten him as high as a 5, he doesn't have any fielding ratings for 1st, so on 1 end he will have a 5 it is still 0 while his OF at the time was 3/3

7mart7 · 10-18-2011, 01:08 AM

He had no rating at 1B before spring training that year and was 18 by the end of the season. I think it helps that he was a 12 at 3B.

OOTP Baseball Manual - Player Positions and Roles

Chicagofan76 · 10-18-2011, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7mart7

He had no rating at 1B before spring training that year and was 18 by the end of the season. I think it helps that he was a 12 at 3B.

OOTP Baseball Manual - Player Positions and Roles

I think I may have not said what i meant. i see now that Evans played a lot of 1B throughout his career, but i meant as far as IF Arm, Range, Error. I cant make Baines a 1B when he is 0 at these 3.

overkiller · 11-04-2011, 10:52 AM

I had an OF(four actually) and needed a 1B so in the AAA where he was playing I forced the AI to play him at first. Next year I called him up to the ML during spring training and played him at 1B. He had no ratings at that time. During the season I played him at 1B and after about 1/3 the season he got a rating of 1. Throughout the year his rating did not improve. Next season he hit .300/.400/.525 w/ 33HR and 100 RBI and made 11 errors at first w/ his 1 rating. Given that I replaced a decent fielding 1B (rating of 7) who couldn't hit (.233/.324/.444) with him I think it was a fair trade off. He was a good leader and had been evaluated as "teachable".

So in my case, my OF turned 1B was worth it, but I expected to see better fielding ratings. Clearly this is just one example. So YMMV. But in an effort to increase my offense I compromised my defense.

My ratings are 1-10 btw.

I think that this is realistic however, as I can imagine him just "toughing it out" at first. He was an average OF (rating of 6). He can hit though so I'm ok with that.

Chicagofan76 · 11-04-2011, 04:51 PM

Did the guy have the ability to gain anything higher then 1? If his
Arm/Error/Range for the IF is 0 he will never gain anything over 1. I made that mistake with Harold Baines when i traded Konerko and Thomas for SP an put Baines in at 1B but as an OF he was avg still, but had no capacity other then being a 1 1B.

05-31-2011, 11:16 AM	#22
Jagger Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 308	Ray Durham has played 1st base at least a few innings every game in the first 12 spring training games. His original 1st base positional rating was 0 and is now 12. So he has gained 1 point of position rating for every spring training game at 1st base. He is 32 years old and has a work ethic of 63 and intelligence rating of 59. His morale is very good. It should be interesting to see what his rating is when the last spring break game is finished. If it is 23, I will be satisfied. With a positional rating of 23, I can play him at first during regular season games with a respectable perforance. And I suspect sometime during the season, Durham will be a better defensive 1st baseman than my current man and I can shift Durham to first. Durham is a good power hitter and a so-so defensive 2nd basemen. I would rather have him as a good power hitter and a very good defensive 1st basemen and have someone else take over 2nd as an excellent defensive 2nd basemen with decent hitting. As far as I can tell, a players defensive performance starts with his range, arm and error ratings. The positional rating is experience which then overlays the range, arm and error ratings. So to find a good defensive player, first you look at his range, arm and error ratings and then his experience. Both his inherent ability and experience are important but I don't know which carries the greater weight. I suspect his inherent ratings. PS: I am using the 100 scale for ratings. Last edited by Jagger; 05-31-2011 at 11:27 AM.

05-31-2011, 03:13 PM	#24
Jagger Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 308	Durham is capable of playing outfield but I am now doing the 2004 Giants. Great hitting but poor defense. So I have brought on a good defensive, gap hitting infielder, Juan Castro, to team up with Neifi Ferez which upgrades my center infield. I also brought on a couple good defensive, gap hitting outfielders to strengthen my defensive capabilities in right, left and center when necessary. Right now, I have Snow at first base and he is a great hitter but he is getting old and his defense his weak. So Durham is needed more at first than outfield. I am actually going to platoon dependent on the situation. Now that I have the capability of strong defense or offense, I will go either dependent on groundball/flyball or quality of pitcher, opponent pitching/hitting, ballpark, etc. Actually a top defense can sometimes save a poor pitcher. And shortly, my only significant weaknesses will be pitching and third base. But can't do much about it this season. 2004 Giants are actually a pretty good team. Last edited by Jagger; 05-31-2011 at 03:21 PM.

05-31-2011, 04:57 PM	#26
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,640	Would there be any negatives with say... benching my starting 1b, or having him play all over the infield (he's got 50/100 ratings at the other 3 IF positions) during spring, and playing my LFer exclusively at 1b in spring? And would I have to use the force start, or is changing the lineups/depth charts good enough? I never have used the 7 day lineup thingy (any way to just disable that?) __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

05-31-2011, 01:17 PM	#23
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	teaching an IF 1B, should be easier then teaching a LF 1B but I could be wrong. now that being said Durham at 1B? why not LF or CF? Sox wanted to move him to CF at 1 point it just never happened.

05-31-2011, 09:43 PM	#27
Jagger Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 308	You want your 1 baseman to get some hits in pre-season. At what position, doesn't really matter. Apparently there is some warm up time after a layoff before a batter gets into optimum hitting form. So your starters need some at bats before the regular season or they will hit poorly at the start of the season. Although I am not sure how many at bats are needed to shake the rust off.

10-17-2011, 03:09 AM	#28
7mart7 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 26	Thanks for a great thread, guys. Very informative. I have a 1977 team which has both George Brett and Darrell Evans, so I wanted to move Evans to 1B where he had no rating. I had him play 1B every day in spring training and he gained about 2 rating points per week. He was an 8 when we started the regular season, so I played him there every day. He made 24 errors, .985 pct. over the season, but I noticed that by the time we played in the World Series he was rated 18 (out of 20) at 1B. All of this was with a manager rated Ok and bench coach rated decent for teaching fielding.

10-18-2011, 01:08 AM	#30
7mart7 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 26	He had no rating at 1B before spring training that year and was 18 by the end of the season. I think it helps that he was a 12 at 3B. OOTP Baseball Manual - Player Positions and Roles

11-04-2011, 10:52 AM	#32
overkiller Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 104	I had an OF(four actually) and needed a 1B so in the AAA where he was playing I forced the AI to play him at first. Next year I called him up to the ML during spring training and played him at 1B. He had no ratings at that time. During the season I played him at 1B and after about 1/3 the season he got a rating of 1. Throughout the year his rating did not improve. Next season he hit .300/.400/.525 w/ 33HR and 100 RBI and made 11 errors at first w/ his 1 rating. Given that I replaced a decent fielding 1B (rating of 7) who couldn't hit (.233/.324/.444) with him I think it was a fair trade off. He was a good leader and had been evaluated as "teachable". So in my case, my OF turned 1B was worth it, but I expected to see better fielding ratings. Clearly this is just one example. So YMMV. But in an effort to increase my offense I compromised my defense. My ratings are 1-10 btw. I think that this is realistic however, as I can imagine him just "toughing it out" at first. He was an average OF (rating of 6). He can hit though so I'm ok with that.

11-04-2011, 04:51 PM	#33
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	Did the guy have the ability to gain anything higher then 1? If his Arm/Error/Range for the IF is 0 he will never gain anything over 1. I made that mistake with Harold Baines when i traded Konerko and Thomas for SP an put Baines in at 1B but as an OF he was avg still, but had no capacity other then being a 1 1B.