Why is this is save?

MizzouRah · 11-02-2011, 11:21 AM

What am I overlooking here, if anything? Pittman came into the game in the 7th inning and we were winning 15-3, so I don't think he should be credited with a save?

Russ · 11-02-2011, 11:24 AM

If you pitch 3 innings, you finish the game, and your team wins, that's a save.

eriqjaffe · 11-02-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ

If you pitch 3 innings, you finish the game, and your team wins, that's a save.

Technically, you have to pitch "effectively" for 3 innings, but that decision is up to the official scorer.

However, I don't think I've ever seen that "effective" thing invoked, but how many 3-inning saves happen these days in the first place?

Russ · 11-02-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Technically, you have to pitch "effectively" for 3 innings, but that decision is up to the official scorer.

However, I don't think I've ever seen that "effective" thing invoked, but how many 3-inning saves happen these days in the first place?

The effective part of that rule was removed a few years ago.

eriqjaffe · 11-02-2011, 12:04 PM

Not according to MLB. Note scenario 3c:

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Originally Posted by http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/about_mlb/rules_regulations.jsp

Saves:
Rule 10.20 in the Official Rule Book states:
Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:
(1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
(2) He is not the winning pitcher; and
(3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
- (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or
- (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces; or
- (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.

Russ · 11-02-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Not according to MLB. Note scenario 3c:

I just looked at the MLB website and the 2011 rules and the word effectively is removed.

Russ · 11-02-2011, 12:10 PM

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info...s/foreword.jsp

eriqjaffe · 11-02-2011, 12:18 PM

So it is! Nice of MLB to have inconsistent rule information out there.

AESP_pres · 11-02-2011, 06:59 PM

We learn something new everyday

I always thought the 3 inning rule was automatic. Surprised to learn it wasn't the case before 2011...

MizzouRah · 11-02-2011, 10:30 PM

Interesting.. I thought this was basically a "must meet" criteria:

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He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning

I just learned something.

boshk · 11-03-2011, 12:07 PM

either way. i think 3 innings 0H, 0BB, 5K and 0ER is pretty effective.

MizzouRah · 11-03-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by boshk

either way. i think 3 innings 0H, 0BB, 5K and 0ER is pretty effective.

I do too, but he didn't really "save" the game.

ike121212 · 11-03-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I do too, but he didn't really "save" the game.

Throwing an inning with a 3 run lead really isn't saving a game either, in my book. It's a bad stat that has had a terrible impact on the game.

phenom · 11-03-2011, 05:27 PM

There was a save in that 30-3 game a couple years ago between... uhh... Texas and Baltimore, maybe?

griffeyin98 · 11-03-2011, 06:44 PM

I agree the save stat is horrible and has ruined the way managers use their bullpens in real life(and ootp thanks to a players mood if they aren't the "closer") You best reliever should be used in the spot of the game where the game is on the line and they should get a save for it.

If it's 6-3 with the bases loaded in the 7th and a guy comes in and gets a double play and a k to keep the score 6-3, then someone pitches the 8th and the closer pitches the 9th and you win 6-3. Does the closer really deserve the Save? They made the hold stat thinking it would fix this, but it seems they give a hold to every reliever who pitchers in a win, so it doesn't hold much weight to me.

soadeathdealer · 11-03-2011, 08:24 PM

if ur up by that much its not a save at all because ur up but a ton .

Cryomaniac · 11-03-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by phenom

There was a save in that 30-3 game a couple years ago between... uhh... Texas and Baltimore, maybe?

I was going to post about that earlier, but didn't have time.

statfreak · 11-04-2011, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by soadeathdealer

if ur up by that much its not a save at all because ur up but a ton .

and yet, according to the MLB rules it is.

fintach · 11-04-2011, 12:35 PM

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11-02-2011, 11:21 AM	#1
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,266	Why is this is save? What am I overlooking here, if anything? Pittman came into the game in the 7th inning and we were winning 15-3, so I don't think he should be credited with a save?

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Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,923 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	If you pitch 3 innings, you finish the game, and your team wins, that's a save. __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

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eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,721	So it is! Nice of MLB to have inconsistent rule information out there. __________________

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phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,770	There was a save in that 30-3 game a couple years ago between... uhh... Texas and Baltimore, maybe? __________________ reported

11-02-2011, 06:59 PM	#9
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 4,139	We learn something new everyday I always thought the 3 inning rule was automatic. Surprised to learn it wasn't the case before 2011...

11-03-2011, 12:07 PM	#11
boshk All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 532	either way. i think 3 innings 0H, 0BB, 5K and 0ER is pretty effective.

11-03-2011, 06:44 PM	#15
griffeyin98 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 311	I agree the save stat is horrible and has ruined the way managers use their bullpens in real life(and ootp thanks to a players mood if they aren't the "closer") You best reliever should be used in the spot of the game where the game is on the line and they should get a save for it. If it's 6-3 with the bases loaded in the 7th and a guy comes in and gets a double play and a k to keep the score 6-3, then someone pitches the 8th and the closer pitches the 9th and you win 6-3. Does the closer really deserve the Save? They made the hold stat thinking it would fix this, but it seems they give a hold to every reliever who pitchers in a win, so it doesn't hold much weight to me.

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