The "What If" Thread.

[Utopian]

There was a thread a while back with a few of us wondering what a Uni would be like if we edited a fighters stats to change something that causes them to have a shortcoming in real life. In this thread I plan on doing some of these across different universes (if needed) with different fighters. Of course, I would welcome others to request Ideas in here.

The discussed thread : http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...t-what-if.html

I will post the results in a brief summary of the fighters career that has had the stat change.

Case 1 : If Paulie was a puncher.
Paulie Malignaggi is one of the most skilled boxers in the sport today, sporting good, fast hands and a solid defence. However, his record currently stands at 29-4 with only 6 knockouts, yet he has managed to hold a World Title with this very obvious and in some fighters cases, derailing shortcoming. Here I will simulate through Paulie's career if he had high knockout power in both hands. His in game power is that similar to Ricky Hattons.
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Paulies record in real life before facing Cotto was 21-0 with 4 stoppages. I ran the same 21 fights and his record was still 21-0, but this time with 17 stoppages and 10 of them coming in the first 3 rounds. He faces off against Cotto whom is 26-0 with 22 stoppages. In real life, Cotto knocked down Paulie in the 2nd and won a UD with scores of 115-112 and 116-111 twice.
The in game fight was much different. Paulie early on baffles Cotto with his skill and movement, and lands often and hard on Cotto. In the 5th, A left uppercut from Cotto lands well on Paulie that staggers him, but in the follow up attack Cotto is caught and wobbled himself. Cotto goes down but it is ruled a slip. Paulie's power starts to show more in the 7th, as Cotto who had been coming forward all night starts to retreat with a nasty cut over his left eye. Paulie starts to dominate, finishing strong with a knockdown in the 11th. However, the scorecards are heartbreakingly wrong, with Cotto winning a SD with the scores of 114-113 twice and Paulie winning a rightous 117-110 on the other scorecard.

A rematch is ordered immediatly, and the fight is similar to the first with Paulies movement causing Cotto trouble in the first 3 rounds. In the 4th, Cotto leans in when trying to land to the body and a left hook to the head from Paulie puts him to his knees. Paulie then unloads more shots against the ropes to which Cotto goes down again, this time the ref waves it off and Paulie now holds the WBO light welterweight title with an impressive record of 22-1 (18)

In real life, Cotto vacated then moved up to the Welterweight division, but in game, Paulie is staying at Light Welterweight ready to clean up.

The mandatoy at the time was actually the man who Cotto beat for the title, Hard hitting Ricardo Torres with a record of 29-1 with 27 koes. Paulie defended the title successfully against him, Dominating Torres thoroughly dropping him in the 2nd, 4th and 7th before finishing him off with an 8th round TKO win moving Paulie to 23-1 (19).

Paulie then moves for unification with WBC champion Junior Witter, who's tricky style has made hm a dangerman for many other fighters in the light welterweight division. Witter is 31-1-2 with 17 KO's at the time of the fight.

As is the danger when Witter fights, the fight was a drab boring affair. Paulies moving style meant he couldnt pressure Witter effectivly but it also meant Witter couldnt land anything with his winging shots. Paulie was always ahead in a bad fight, he landed a short right hand in the 9th that sent Witter down for a count of 2, but it was a balance shot. Paulie won a UD with scores of 119-108 twice and 120-107, adding the WBC title to his his WBO and making Paulie also the Ring champion.

The game is nearly in 2008 now and Gavin Ree's is now the WBA champion, and Lovemore N'Dou is the IBF one. In real life, Paulie didnt have any title then beat Lovemore for the IBF, but in game this hasnt happened just yet because Paulie decides to challenge Great Britains Gavin Ree's at the M.E.N arena in Manchester, England, in a massive Unification fight.

The fight is over quick, to the disapointment of the English fans, though as Gavin is battered, bloodied and knocked out cold in 3 rounds as Paulie takes the cut Gavin to the ropes, and finishes things with a left hook that has Gavin going down but Paulie lands 3-4 more shots that seals the deal.

Immediatly after the Ree's fight, N'Dou challenges Paulie to make an Undisputed Light Welterweight Champion. Paulie accepts and in August 2008, Paulie dominates Lovemore over 12 rounds. Paulie is unable to stop the strong chinned Warrior, but wins a shutout one card (120-108 and 119-109 and 118-110)

Paulie is now the cream of the crop, Undisputed and probably should be Undefeated Light Welterweight champion. He makes three defences of his titles, against Juan Urango (WKO8), Timothy Bradley (WUD12), Devon Alexander (WUD12). His Record stands at 28-1 (21).

His next challenger is another British fighter, Ricky "Hitman" Hatton, In real life they fought in November 2008, with Hatton winning an 11th round stoppage. In game, The fight happens in March 2009, with Hattons record an impressive 44-1 (32) with his only loss to Floyd Mayweather.

The fight is a true pick 'em, being held in the Madison Square Garden's, in a mega sellout fight. Its billed as the biggest Light Welterweight fight in an age. Paulie is slight favourite before the fight, as he's looked close to unbeatable in his career so far.

The fight is a very good one indeed, with Hatton early on relentless coming forward. In the first few rounds, Malignaggi has success in timing Hattons attacks and countering him off the back foot with hard hooks and uppercuts. However, As the fight progresses, Hattons bodywork comes into it as Malignaggi's counters slow and his footwork becomes more static. In the 8th, Malignaggi is rattled going backwards with a right hook to the temple but he stays on his feet. He is behind going into the 11th, but Paulie rallies and takes the 11th and makes it a close 12th but ultimatly has his 2nd loss of his career and loses all his light welterweight title's. The scorecards were 116-112 and 115-113 twice all in favour of Hatton.

This leaves Paulie with a dilema. He could push for a rematch with Hatton or move up to the welterweight division, which he decides to do. He has one fight against Joshua Clottey for the IBF Welterweight title. He wins a lopsided UD, As Clottey simply is not active enough giving Malignaggi a 120-108, 117-111 desision and his 5th world title in a second weight class.

This prompts Paulie to challenge P4P #1 Manny Pacquiao, which the fight is confirmed for January 2010. Paulie starts off well, winning the first three rounds as Manny cant catch him and Paulie lands some good, hard shots. However, Manny starts throwing shots from angles, with his left uppercut coming into play and hurting Paulie. By the 7th, Paulie is a bloodied mess and starting to back peddle as Manny is on the attack, hurting Paulie round to round. Paulie goes down in the 8th for a 4 count, and the end is near as he is sent down twice in the 9th prompting the ref to stop the contest in favour of Manny.

Paulie, 29-3 (21) now is at a career crossroads. He is 29 years old and decides to take a vacation from the sport and contemplate his future. He takes two years out and comes back in late 2012, with a fight at Welterweight against Mike Jones (27-3, 22 KO's) Who was a highly touted prospect in 2011, but losses against Joshua Clottey, Victor Ortiz and Andre Berto has made him somewhat of a hypejob. Paulie knocks him out easily in 5 one sided rounds.

Paulie then challenges for Victor Ortiz's WBA Welterweight title, and in one hell of a fight, wins a close but clear desision, with Paulie going down in the 2nd and 3rd, and Victor going down in the 4th, 8th (twice) and 11th rounds. Paulie wins his 6th World title (2nd in the Welterweight division.)

His choices are to fight against Ring Belt Holder, Undefeated Floyd Mayweather Jr who holds the IBF and Ring titles (Who beat Pacman on Pts) WBO world title holder Joshua Clottey or WBC champion unbeaten Brit Kell Brook. He decides to have a rematch with Clottey, in another Unification fight whilst Floyd fights Kell Brook.

Both Floyd and Paulie win easily, both winning near enough shutouts which sets up a massive fight in 2014 between the two world class fighters.

The fight is actually short lived though, with Paulie coming in trying to pressure Floyd and getting counter punched - and hard. He goes down twice in the first before being knocked out cold in the 4th.

Paulies career is more or less over, he has 4 more fights against poor opposisition, knocking them all out before retiring at the age of 35 with a record of 36-4 (22), he held 7 world titles (8 if you count the ring!), 3 in the Welterweight Division and all 4 at once in light welterweight division.

So in answer to the question "What would happen if Paulie Malignaggi could punch?" TBCB say's "He'd win much more world titles, be undisputedly the best in the world for about 2 years, and be rated as a top 5 pound for pounder in his prime."

If you have any idea's for the next one and suggestion in how I could improve it, please do tell, I hope you enjoyed!

[PWillisTheMan]

That was very cool, and I hate Malignaggi.

Here are a couple off of the top of my head.

Tommy Morrison with a granite chin.
Ray Mancini with masterful defense.

[Tommysixfingers]

Great stuff! Really good concept too.

Ken Norton with a real strong chin or Shavers with better conditioning could be exciting.

I know that it isn't true to the concept but McCallum getting the big fights in his prime would be exciting too.

[cubedrum]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

That was very cool, and I hate Malignaggi.

Here are a couple off of the top of my head.

Tommy Morrison with a granite chin.
Ray Mancini with masterful defense.

Paulie is nothing like his TV image. Nicest kid you ever want to meet. After he took his beating from Cotto without flinching and I actually met him I stopped hating him.

[Utopian]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

That was very cool, and I hate Malignaggi.

Here are a couple off of the top of my head.

Tommy Morrison with a granite chin.
Ray Mancini with masterful defense.

Good idea's, The chin one is one I will do next, but im trying to think which fighter. Who would everyone say out of these would make a more interesting one :

Tommy Morrison
Enzo Maccarinelli
Wladimir Klitschko
Amir Khan
Floyd Patterson
Or others you may have

[hamed2]

Speaking of "what if", it's too bad Edwin Valero flipped out & killed his wife. Would have liked to see him move up in weight so Manny could have given him a good beating.

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by cubedrum

Paulie is nothing like his TV image. Nicest kid you ever want to meet. After he took his beating from Cotto without flinching and I actually met him I stopped hating him.

I don't wish him any harm, he just rubs me the wrong way and his fights are dreadful. But he has made quite a career for a guy with no power, poor instincts and average defense.

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by Utopian

Good idea's, The chin one is one I will do next, but im trying to think which fighter. Who would everyone say out of these would make a more interesting one :

Tommy Morrison
Enzo Maccarinelli
Wladimir Klitschko
Amir Khan
Floyd Patterson
Or others you may have

Wlad is a 1 KO against as is. The other ones would be good. I like Morriosn because the division was so stacked at the time. You have a slew of fights to make.

[Infinity]

How about if George Foreman has Ali's stamina?

[Chadness]

Originally Posted by Utopian

There was a thread a while back with a few of us wondering what a Uni would be like if we edited a fighters stats to change something that causes them to have a shortcoming in real life. In this thread I plan on doing some of these across different universes (if needed) with different fighters. Of course, I would welcome others to request Ideas in here.

The discussed thread : http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...t-what-if.html

I will post the results in a brief summary of the fighters career that has had the stat change.

Case 1 : If Paulie was a puncher.
Paulie Malignaggi is one of the most skilled boxers in the sport today, sporting good, fast hands and a solid defence. However, his record currently stands at 29-4 with only 6 knockouts, yet he has managed to hold a World Title with this very obvious and in some fighters cases, derailing shortcoming. Here I will simulate through Paulie's career if he had high knockout power in both hands. His in game power is that similar to Ricky Hattons.
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Paulies record in real life before facing Cotto was 21-0 with 4 stoppages. I ran the same 21 fights and his record was still 21-0, but this time with 17 stoppages and 10 of them coming in the first 3 rounds. He faces off against Cotto whom is 26-0 with 22 stoppages. In real life, Cotto knocked down Paulie in the 2nd and won a UD with scores of 115-112 and 116-111 twice.
The in game fight was much different. Paulie early on baffles Cotto with his skill and movement, and lands often and hard on Cotto. In the 5th, A left uppercut from Cotto lands well on Paulie that staggers him, but in the follow up attack Cotto is caught and wobbled himself. Cotto goes down but it is ruled a slip. Paulie's power starts to show more in the 7th, as Cotto who had been coming forward all night starts to retreat with a nasty cut over his left eye. Paulie starts to dominate, finishing strong with a knockdown in the 11th. However, the scorecards are heartbreakingly wrong, with Cotto winning a SD with the scores of 114-113 twice and Paulie winning a rightous 117-110 on the other scorecard.

A rematch is ordered immediatly, and the fight is similar to the first with Paulies movement causing Cotto trouble in the first 3 rounds. In the 4th, Cotto leans in when trying to land to the body and a left hook to the head from Paulie puts him to his knees. Paulie then unloads more shots against the ropes to which Cotto goes down again, this time the ref waves it off and Paulie now holds the WBO light welterweight title with an impressive record of 22-1 (18)

In real life, Cotto vacated then moved up to the Welterweight division, but in game, Paulie is staying at Light Welterweight ready to clean up.

The mandatoy at the time was actually the man who Cotto beat for the title, Hard hitting Ricardo Torres with a record of 29-1 with 27 koes. Paulie defended the title successfully against him, Dominating Torres thoroughly dropping him in the 2nd, 4th and 7th before finishing him off with an 8th round TKO win moving Paulie to 23-1 (19).

Paulie then moves for unification with WBC champion Junior Witter, who's tricky style has made hm a dangerman for many other fighters in the light welterweight division. Witter is 31-1-2 with 17 KO's at the time of the fight.

As is the danger when Witter fights, the fight was a drab boring affair. Paulies moving style meant he couldnt pressure Witter effectivly but it also meant Witter couldnt land anything with his winging shots. Paulie was always ahead in a bad fight, he landed a short right hand in the 9th that sent Witter down for a count of 2, but it was a balance shot. Paulie won a UD with scores of 119-108 twice and 120-107, adding the WBC title to his his WBO and making Paulie also the Ring champion.

The game is nearly in 2008 now and Gavin Ree's is now the WBA champion, and Lovemore N'Dou is the IBF one. In real life, Paulie didnt have any title then beat Lovemore for the IBF, but in game this hasnt happened just yet because Paulie decides to challenge Great Britains Gavin Ree's at the M.E.N arena in Manchester, England, in a massive Unification fight.

The fight is over quick, to the disapointment of the English fans, though as Gavin is battered, bloodied and knocked out cold in 3 rounds as Paulie takes the cut Gavin to the ropes, and finishes things with a left hook that has Gavin going down but Paulie lands 3-4 more shots that seals the deal.

Immediatly after the Ree's fight, N'Dou challenges Paulie to make an Undisputed Light Welterweight Champion. Paulie accepts and in August 2008, Paulie dominates Lovemore over 12 rounds. Paulie is unable to stop the strong chinned Warrior, but wins a shutout one card (120-108 and 119-109 and 118-110)

Paulie is now the cream of the crop, Undisputed and probably should be Undefeated Light Welterweight champion. He makes three defences of his titles, against Juan Urango (WKO8), Timothy Bradley (WUD12), Devon Alexander (WUD12). His Record stands at 28-1 (21).

His next challenger is another British fighter, Ricky "Hitman" Hatton, In real life they fought in November 2008, with Hatton winning an 11th round stoppage. In game, The fight happens in March 2009, with Hattons record an impressive 44-1 (32) with his only loss to Floyd Mayweather.

The fight is a true pick 'em, being held in the Madison Square Garden's, in a mega sellout fight. Its billed as the biggest Light Welterweight fight in an age. Paulie is slight favourite before the fight, as he's looked close to unbeatable in his career so far.

The fight is a very good one indeed, with Hatton early on relentless coming forward. In the first few rounds, Malignaggi has success in timing Hattons attacks and countering him off the back foot with hard hooks and uppercuts. However, As the fight progresses, Hattons bodywork comes into it as Malignaggi's counters slow and his footwork becomes more static. In the 8th, Malignaggi is rattled going backwards with a right hook to the temple but he stays on his feet. He is behind going into the 11th, but Paulie rallies and takes the 11th and makes it a close 12th but ultimatly has his 2nd loss of his career and loses all his light welterweight title's. The scorecards were 116-112 and 115-113 twice all in favour of Hatton.

This leaves Paulie with a dilema. He could push for a rematch with Hatton or move up to the welterweight division, which he decides to do. He has one fight against Joshua Clottey for the IBF Welterweight title. He wins a lopsided UD, As Clottey simply is not active enough giving Malignaggi a 120-108, 117-111 desision and his 5th world title in a second weight class.

This prompts Paulie to challenge P4P #1 Manny Pacquiao, which the fight is confirmed for January 2010. Paulie starts off well, winning the first three rounds as Manny cant catch him and Paulie lands some good, hard shots. However, Manny starts throwing shots from angles, with his left uppercut coming into play and hurting Paulie. By the 7th, Paulie is a bloodied mess and starting to back peddle as Manny is on the attack, hurting Paulie round to round. Paulie goes down in the 8th for a 4 count, and the end is near as he is sent down twice in the 9th prompting the ref to stop the contest in favour of Manny.

Paulie, 29-3 (21) now is at a career crossroads. He is 29 years old and decides to take a vacation from the sport and contemplate his future. He takes two years out and comes back in late 2012, with a fight at Welterweight against Mike Jones (27-3, 22 KO's) Who was a highly touted prospect in 2011, but losses against Joshua Clottey, Victor Ortiz and Andre Berto has made him somewhat of a hypejob. Paulie knocks him out easily in 5 one sided rounds.

Paulie then challenges for Victor Ortiz's WBA Welterweight title, and in one hell of a fight, wins a close but clear desision, with Paulie going down in the 2nd and 3rd, and Victor going down in the 4th, 8th (twice) and 11th rounds. Paulie wins his 6th World title (2nd in the Welterweight division.)

His choices are to fight against Ring Belt Holder, Undefeated Floyd Mayweather Jr who holds the IBF and Ring titles (Who beat Pacman on Pts) WBO world title holder Joshua Clottey or WBC champion unbeaten Brit Kell Brook. He decides to have a rematch with Clottey, in another Unification fight whilst Floyd fights Kell Brook.

Both Floyd and Paulie win easily, both winning near enough shutouts which sets up a massive fight in 2014 between the two world class fighters.

The fight is actually short lived though, with Paulie coming in trying to pressure Floyd and getting counter punched - and hard. He goes down twice in the first before being knocked out cold in the 4th.

Paulies career is more or less over, he has 4 more fights against poor opposisition, knocking them all out before retiring at the age of 35 with a record of 36-4 (22), he held 7 world titles (8 if you count the ring!), 3 in the Welterweight Division and all 4 at once in light welterweight division.

So in answer to the question "What would happen if Paulie Malignaggi could punch?" TBCB say's "He'd win much more world titles, be undisputedly the best in the world for about 2 years, and be rated as a top 5 pound for pounder in his prime."

If you have any idea's for the next one and suggestion in how I could improve it, please do tell, I hope you enjoyed!

That was so cool! That was my idea and topic!

Chin... Hm... I'd like to see what'd happen if Michael Moorer had a chin.

[JOHNNYGUAPO]

Really cool. Didnt think Id enjoy it as much as I did, but you did a real good job with the write up.

[Lee]

Great idea, I also go with Tommy for the chin.

[Utopian]

Thanks for all the great messages guys, this got a better responce than I hoped! I think the Moorer will be next, as its gots the most interest.

[PWillisTheMan]

I don't think Moorer's chin is that bad.

[EricKarl]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

I don't think Moorer's chin is that bad.

I agree. Lots of guys were KO'd by George Foreman

[Thomas Hearns]

Thomas Hearns with a good chin....

[EricKarl]

Young George Foreman with old George Foreman maturity

[Utopian]

Originally Posted by PWillisTheMan

I don't think Moorer's chin is that bad.

Meant Morrison, sorry !

[PWillisTheMan]

Originally Posted by Thomas Hearns

Thomas Hearns with a good chin....

His chin was fine. For whatever reason the game rates him with abysmal stamina. Silly as that is.