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PFXCarty · 06-03-2003, 08:49 AM

Agreed. And the racism is part and parcel of the administrations that run Cricket, as you said, most notibly Yorkshire.

But I also agree that some ethnic minorities (although I don't like that term...if you're born in England, you're English...regardless of your colour) do distance themselves. But who can blame them?

I'm proud of the changes Lancashire have made to their hierarchy over recent years, they're getting themselves into shape in regards to finances etc.

ctorg · 06-03-2003, 09:34 AM

It's funny, I didn't even realize until recently that Cricket is still as popular as it is in England. I had been under the impression that it died out some time ago. Of course, my familiarity with the sport consists mostly of seeing mockeries of it in Monty Python episodes, so there's a lot I don't know about it.

CBL-Commish · 06-03-2003, 10:15 AM

So, what's the cricket equivalent of OOTP? Are there any really good simulations out there?

BTW - I'm going to be in the Bahamas in a couple weeks and I hear they play a good bit of cricket down there. Apparently the Lucaya Cricket Club is right across the street from my hotel.

ctorg · 06-03-2003, 10:19 AM

I'd like to learn more about Cricket. Baseball is apparently derived from it (or, at least, they have a common ancestor), so I would guess it would be somewhat understandable to a baseball fan. Or maybe I'm completely wrong.

Muppetus Galacticus · 06-03-2003, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by CBL-Commish
So, what's the cricket equivalent of OOTP? Are there any really good simulations out there?

International Cricket Captain is the only one around that I know of - or at least is the CM of its sport with no real competition for it. I would assume that latest version is ICC2003. I haven't played it since ICC2001 but enjoyed it then - even if I do insist on taking over Essex <sigh>

Muppetus Galacticus

PFXCarty · 06-03-2003, 10:35 AM

The most popular game for Cricket management sims is International Cricket Captain. I believe the last edition of the game (2001) reached No.4 in the PC Gaming Charts in the UK (not bad for a game that apparently no one likes =)).

Here's a link to a general Cricket website with some screenshots...

http://www.cricketweb.net/cricketgam...eenshots.shtml

Although the style of scoring runs and getting outs varies quite a bit, you'll notice from the screenshots that stats take a prominence in Cricket too. Big time. And like Baseball, there is a rich history of stats through the century.

And in terms of Cricket being the father of Baseball, I believe this is true. Cricket obviously came to America along with the British, and it was played on a frequent basis. The oldest Cricket international recorded is in fact US versus Canada...probably early 18th century. And America will be hosting some of the 2007 Cricket World Cup games, so there must be some sort of interest.

I did buy a book a short while back written by a pro-Cricketer who went to train with the NY Mets I believe as an experiment...although I'm yet to read it.

There's a lot of history, it's quite interesting how they link-up.

CBL-Commish · 06-03-2003, 10:35 AM

I started poking around the net looking for some cricket info and stumbled upon the following:

http://www.cricket365.com/

http://www.uscricket.com/

http://www.abcofcricket.com/

PFXCarty · 06-03-2003, 10:50 AM

The site I think is the most polished...is the Wisden site. For those who don't know, Wisden is an old, old, old established brand for Cricket statistics etc. Their websites covers international Cricket very well, I personally read their magazine too. They also publish a famous "Almanack" of the years world cricket each years...often around 1400 pages long with scrorecards (aka box scores).

www.wisden.com

clarnzz · 06-03-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Tyke
lol WeatherMike. If you'd seen recent England performances, you'd know!

And, dougk62, sorry about the slip. I was thinking about my post last night and realised I had put "Cubs" for "Bears" - but, like you I always hated them and especially Ditka and Jim McMahon.

I thought for a minute you were talking about my NGBL team where I hired Mike Ditka to be my manager for the Cubs. Has turned out to be a great hire and Ditka is showing his versatility and brilliance.

eriqjaffe · 06-03-2003, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by clarnzz
I thought for a minute you were talking about my NGBL team where I hired Mike Ditka to be my manager for the Cubs. Has turned out to be a great hire and Ditka is showing his versatility and brilliance.

Reminds me of those SNL sketches back in the late 80's or early 90's, where they'd wonder how Ditka would do against various historical teams...

"Let's see...the '72 Dolphins vs. midget Ditka."

"Ditka."

One of the local public libraries around here has recently purchased a whole bunch of different cricket titles...and they're always checked out (with the exception of "Cricket In Mind", which seems to be a more instructional or motivational title). The area has a very high Indian popluation, which might help explain the popularity of the games there. I'm kind of eager to get my hands on some of them, as I'm very curious.

I noticed that EA Sports put out a Cricket title last year...have any of you played it?

--Eriq.

UKTigerfan · 06-03-2003, 12:43 PM

Another English baseball fan here so thought I'd add a few comments. I'd definately recommend anyone who loves baseball, and especially the history of the game, to try and learn more about cricket. There are so many parallels in the games, not so much in terms of using a bat and ball but in terms of the statistics and the history....cricket has documented games going back to the 1750's.

The BBC is now broadcasting international games on their website and while it can be hard learning a game purely by commentary it's not impossible..that's how I learned baseball, by listening to commentary on the Amercan Forces Radio service in the 80's, long before the internet or TV coverage. And there's always the internet to look up those obscure fielding positions like short backward square leg.

I'm also a little surprised that no-one from over here has made it as a baseball player in the US as the skills required are similar. A few have tried, I remember a player trying out for the Phillies in the early 90's..his name was Kieth Pont I think, or something like that. Also Ian Botham, probably the most famous modern era English cricketer tried out for someone but I think that was more a publicity stunt than anything else. Certainly some of cricket's fielders (e.g. Jonty Rhodes of South Africa) are every bit as good as the best that MLB has to offer and that's without using a glove. There are a few Australians making it now and I'd guess they come from a cricket background.

I think more and more people over here are getting into baseball now. The problem is that we still only get minimal coverage, the terrestrial channel that carries 2 ESPN games a week doesn't have full nationwide coverage so unless people have cable they may not be able to recieve it. NASN is pretty good but is only on Sky or NTL I think, not Telewest yet, and there's always MLBTV, which I love, for those with broadband.

IMO cricket is still the best sport there is, but baseball runs it a close second and I'm pretty sure if you enjoy one you'll enjoy the other.

Gastric ReFlux · 06-03-2003, 12:45 PM

Do they sell hot dogs at cricket games?

draven085 · 06-03-2003, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Do they sell hot dogs at cricket games?

Yes, but no french fries

Gastric ReFlux · 06-03-2003, 01:00 PM

Do the fans get to keep foul balls at cricket games?

PFXCarty · 06-03-2003, 01:03 PM

That's where the differences begin. There is no such thing as foun balls (the pitch is a oval/circle...you bat in the middle...so you can hit the ball behind diliberately).

The ball is VITAL to the game and getting wickets (outs). The state of the ball, depending on the weather, dryness of the wicket (pitch as the ball bounces) and how much the ball is polished by the fielders can effect the way the ball bounces, moves in the air and so forth.

So some bowlers (pitchers) do better in overcast conditions as the ball tends to move more in the air.

Some bowlers who spin the ball off the surface of the ground prefer balls which have been used for a few hours as they are scuffed and older, thus grip the surface more.

It's a major difference between sports. A Cricket Ball is very important. So no, fans have to throw the ball back.

draven085 · 06-03-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Do the fans get to keep foul balls at cricket games?

Only if they use their bare hands to catch them.

Gastric ReFlux · 06-03-2003, 01:05 PM

All is fair in cricket then I guess.

Crabster · 06-03-2003, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Do the fans get to keep foul balls at cricket games?

There are no foul balls in cricket........and we have to use the same ball for all the match unless it disintegrates that is...
Accept when it`s a five day test match when the ball is changed for a new one after a certain period of time or number of overs.....
An over is 6 deliveries.......

Crabster · 06-03-2003, 01:50 PM

Where you from UKtigerfan ??.....

Gastric ReFlux · 06-03-2003, 01:50 PM

If there's an over, is there an under?

Interesting that you allow players to throw spitballs.

06-03-2003, 09:34 AM	#22
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	It's funny, I didn't even realize until recently that Cricket is still as popular as it is in England. I had been under the impression that it died out some time ago. Of course, my familiarity with the sport consists mostly of seeing mockeries of it in Monty Python episodes, so there's a lot I don't know about it. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

06-03-2003, 10:15 AM	#23
CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,999	So, what's the cricket equivalent of OOTP? Are there any really good simulations out there? BTW - I'm going to be in the Bahamas in a couple weeks and I hear they play a good bit of cricket down there. Apparently the Lucaya Cricket Club is right across the street from my hotel. __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com

06-03-2003, 10:19 AM	#24
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I'd like to learn more about Cricket. Baseball is apparently derived from it (or, at least, they have a common ancestor), so I would guess it would be somewhat understandable to a baseball fan. Or maybe I'm completely wrong. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

06-03-2003, 10:35 AM	#27
CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,999	I started poking around the net looking for some cricket info and stumbled upon the following: http://www.cricket365.com/ http://www.uscricket.com/ http://www.abcofcricket.com/ __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com

06-03-2003, 01:03 PM	#35
PFXCarty Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 25	That's where the differences begin. There is no such thing as foun balls (the pitch is a oval/circle...you bat in the middle...so you can hit the ball behind diliberately). The ball is VITAL to the game and getting wickets (outs). The state of the ball, depending on the weather, dryness of the wicket (pitch as the ball bounces) and how much the ball is polished by the fielders can effect the way the ball bounces, moves in the air and so forth. So some bowlers (pitchers) do better in overcast conditions as the ball tends to move more in the air. Some bowlers who spin the ball off the surface of the ground prefer balls which have been used for a few hours as they are scuffed and older, thus grip the surface more. It's a major difference between sports. A Cricket Ball is very important. So no, fans have to throw the ball back. Last edited by PFXCarty; 06-03-2003 at 01:05 PM.

06-03-2003, 08:49 AM	#21
PFXCarty Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 25	Agreed. And the racism is part and parcel of the administrations that run Cricket, as you said, most notibly Yorkshire. But I also agree that some ethnic minorities (although I don't like that term...if you're born in England, you're English...regardless of your colour) do distance themselves. But who can blame them? I'm proud of the changes Lancashire have made to their hierarchy over recent years, they're getting themselves into shape in regards to finances etc.

06-03-2003, 10:50 AM	#28
PFXCarty Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 25	The site I think is the most polished...is the Wisden site. For those who don't know, Wisden is an old, old, old established brand for Cricket statistics etc. Their websites covers international Cricket very well, I personally read their magazine too. They also publish a famous "Almanack" of the years world cricket each years...often around 1400 pages long with scrorecards (aka box scores). www.wisden.com

06-03-2003, 12:43 PM	#31
UKTigerfan Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3	Another English baseball fan here so thought I'd add a few comments. I'd definately recommend anyone who loves baseball, and especially the history of the game, to try and learn more about cricket. There are so many parallels in the games, not so much in terms of using a bat and ball but in terms of the statistics and the history....cricket has documented games going back to the 1750's. The BBC is now broadcasting international games on their website and while it can be hard learning a game purely by commentary it's not impossible..that's how I learned baseball, by listening to commentary on the Amercan Forces Radio service in the 80's, long before the internet or TV coverage. And there's always the internet to look up those obscure fielding positions like short backward square leg. I'm also a little surprised that no-one from over here has made it as a baseball player in the US as the skills required are similar. A few have tried, I remember a player trying out for the Phillies in the early 90's..his name was Kieth Pont I think, or something like that. Also Ian Botham, probably the most famous modern era English cricketer tried out for someone but I think that was more a publicity stunt than anything else. Certainly some of cricket's fielders (e.g. Jonty Rhodes of South Africa) are every bit as good as the best that MLB has to offer and that's without using a glove. There are a few Australians making it now and I'd guess they come from a cricket background. I think more and more people over here are getting into baseball now. The problem is that we still only get minimal coverage, the terrestrial channel that carries 2 ESPN games a week doesn't have full nationwide coverage so unless people have cable they may not be able to recieve it. NASN is pretty good but is only on Sky or NTL I think, not Telewest yet, and there's always MLBTV, which I love, for those with broadband. IMO cricket is still the best sport there is, but baseball runs it a close second and I'm pretty sure if you enjoy one you'll enjoy the other.

06-03-2003, 12:45 PM	#32
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Do they sell hot dogs at cricket games?

06-03-2003, 01:00 PM	#34
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Do the fans get to keep foul balls at cricket games?

06-03-2003, 01:05 PM	#37
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	All is fair in cricket then I guess.

06-03-2003, 01:50 PM	#39
Crabster Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Blackpool, England (Northwest) Posts: 229	Where you from UKtigerfan ??.....