The Alphabets are at it again!

[IceTea]

I like the Cruiser weight and minimum wight divisions. The rest I could do without. The light heavyweight division would look pretty good today if you lumped the current super middleweights in with them.

[jofre]

Originally Posted by IceTea

I like the Cruiser weight and minimum wight divisions. The rest I could do without. The light heavyweight division would look pretty good today if you lumped the current super middleweights in with them.

Cruiser - Yes! Minimum-No!

Pascual Perez weighed between 105-112 lbs and dominated the Flyweight division. Check out the other old timers as well.

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by jofre

Cruiser - Yes! Minimum-No!

Pascual Perez weighed between 105-112 lbs and dominated the Flyweight division. Check out the other old timers as well.

I'm huge on the "ole timers". Would have loved to have seen Perez vs Lopez.

[jofre]

Originally Posted by IceTea

I'm huge on the "ole timers". Would have loved to have seen Perez vs Lopez.

Now that would have been a fight to see. Imagine what Perez's record would have been if he turned pro in 1948 at age 22, instead of 1952 at age 26.

[jofre]

The great Jimmy Wilde was another "minimun weight" who held the flyweight title.

[Cap]

Originally Posted by jofre

I commend The Ring for what they are trying to do. But, they dropped Lucien Bute from his #1 rating at the start of the Super 6 tournament to #3 even though he hasn't lost a fight. Andre Ward and Carl Froch leapfrogged ahead of him so that they can name the winner of the Super 6 tournament as their Super Middleweight Champion. To me the true lineal champion would be the winner of Ward-Froch vs Bute.

I totally agree with you, Jofre. Even the venerable Ring Magazine was frequently accused of national bias in the good old days. That's what happens when you have frail humans in charge of ratings. The whole sport has become a laughing stock these days. No one on the street takes it seriously, and MMA is quickly replacing it, in much the same way North American football has replaced baseball as America's favourite game. Only old timers like us remember the Golden Era of the King of Sports...the Prize Ring.

Cap

[jofre]

Originally Posted by jofre

Cruiser - Yes! Minimum-No!

Pascual Perez weighed between 105-112 lbs and dominated the Flyweight division. Check out the other old timers as well.

How common is this! This is why we don't need 17 weight divisions.

FIGHTNEWS: At today’s weigh-in in Acapulco, WBA interim minimumweight champion Juan Palacios was unable to make the 105lb division limit, so if he defeats Armando Torres the WBA title would remain vacant. Meanwhile, Torres, who had no problems on the scale by checking in at 104.7 will be declared the new WBA champion with a victory.

[zyberianwarrior]

Originally Posted by jofre

Here is more WBC bull****!

FIGHTNEWS REPORTS: The WBC has clarified the status of the middleweight division. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. won the WBC World Middleweight Championship as a mandatory challenger by defeating former champion Sebastian Zbik by unanimous decision this past June 4, 2011 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. It is anticipated that Chavez Jr. and WBC Emeritus and Diamond titleholder Sergio Martinez will meet in the first quarter of 2012. Marco Antonio Rubio is the mandatory challenger of the division, and his time for the challenge, as stipulated in the WBC Rules and Regulations, is scheduled to be within one year after the last mandatory fight in the division, which was Zbik vs. Chavez.

Well like Marah, Chavez won his bout with REPEATED LOW BLOWS. And another Golden Boy protegee sad too I like Oscar but this is bull^&*&!

[jofre]

Chavez Jr.-Hearns Presser

Amid great fanfare, WBC middleweight champion [not to be confused with WBC Emeritus Champion, Sergio Martinez] Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (43-0-1, 30 KOs) announced his first title defense against [Sacrificial lamb] Ronald Hearns (26-2, 20 KOs) on September 17 at the Palenque de Culiacán.

Accompanied by his father, the legendary member of the Hall of Famer Julio Cesar Chavez, Chavez Jr. welcomed Ronald, son of the legendary Tommy Hearns.

Chavez: “This fight is very important to me, fighting at home and will always be special to defend my [sic] World Championship, I have trained hard and will do even more to give my people a nice evening this September 17 against a good opponent like Hearns.”

Hearns: “I feel fortunate that I have been given this opportunity, I am the son of a legend, which has not been easy, but Chavez Jr. showed me that dreams can be fulfilled and that will come on September 17. I’m not worried aboyt the judges, I will come and do my job.”

Promoter Fernando Beltran stated that despite the [strong arm] recommendations made by the World Boxing Council he could not postpone the fight to September 24 despite attempting it, and that the ticket sales will start on Thursday this week.

[jofre]

The World Bogus Council (WBC) Reason for Intermediate Divisions.
By Jose Sulaimain [August 15, 2011, WBC website]

Even when it was an unexpected honor in my life my election as president of the WBC back In december 5 of 1975, I placed as a condition the committment of the affiliates to change the our goals for a priority for safety as there was nothing else at those times than a medical exam during weigh ins of the blood pressure heart rate open you mouth and God bless you which was enthusiastically accepted for the starting of the WBC's efforts for the protection of the boxers that has taken almost 4 decades with countless modifications of the boxing rules.

During my early youth I had the biggest boxing hero and later my closest friend Raul "Ratón" Macías bantamweight champion of the world who was always forced into inhuman sacrifices to reduce weight for all of his fights which reduced the size of his stomach with the passing of time as he did not want to move to the feather weights as there were more than 5 kilos 11 pounds and he was short in height so he decided to retire from boxing at the age of 24.

This of the many problems of boxing that I had through the many years in boxing made me ask the doctors of the WBC Medical Board to help us in regards to weights the super bantamweight was born with 122 pounds and it produced one of the greatest champions in history with the Puertorican Wilfredo Gómez who won his 18 defenses of the super bantam title by Knock out.

The intermediate divisions have become very important in professional boxing and it has produced champions of the biggest caliper like Wilfredo Gómez Alexis Argüello Julio César Chávez Oscar de la Hoya Joe Calzaghe Eric Morales Jung Ku Chang Chiquita González and even Evander Holyfield in the cruiser weight division.

This one step of the many others that the WBC has brought into boxing raised furor back in 1982 when this step was taken among some of the writers specially of the north east of the USA who have found a mexican to keep blasting during the almost 36 years of my presidency.

It seems that us mexicans have no right to lead a world organization however nothing has stopped the WBC from continuing struggling to lead boxing to its highest goals of safety for the sake of protecting the health and lives of boxers as human beings that they are.

I have the highest esteem admiration and respect for the press of the world including the USA the country of my father's family and the country where my sons now my grandsons and even myself have had and are having our education. I deeply respect many of the writers in the world and I read with attention their positive articles even of criticism as they lead me to restudy our steps to confirm or modify our actionsbut all those written by who get up in the morning and as a good morning to themselves they swear when they look at themselves in the mirror.

Translation: Intermediate Divisions means more SANCTIONING FEES

[jofre]

Article Link - WBC Eyes Pacquiao, Arum Lawsuit Over Sanctioning Fees

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WBC Eyes Pacquiao, Arum Lawsuit over Sanctioning Fees
By Michael Marley

The amount is piddling but the targets of the lawsuit are incredibly wealthy.

I've learned Thursday that the World Boxing Council has sent word to Manny Pacquiao, who WBC leader Don Jose Sulaiman has lauded as "a modern day Henry Armstrong," that if sanctioning fees amounting to $80,000 are not paid within 48 hours the organization will file a lawsuit against the fighter and his promoter, Bob Arum (Top Rank Inc.).

"Ever since (Graciano) Rocchigiani won that $31 million federal lawsuit against the WBC in 1998 and the group nearly dissolved, it has been financially hardpressed," a source close to the situation told me. "The WBC cannot afford to let world title fight combatants ignore their sanctioning fees."
It is said that a $50,000 fee is due the Mexico City-based Alphabet Soup group from the Dec. 6, 2008, TKO 8 Pacquiao victory over Oscar de la Hoya and the $30,000 is owed from the March 15, 2008 bout in which the Pinoy idol notched a close, hotly-debated split decision over Juan Manuel Marquez.
Pacquiao, 32 and a sitting Congressman from Sarangani Province, has said he was unaware of the situation and would resolve it.

I've heard persistently that the confidential settlement between German boxer Rocchigiani, who was shamelessly stripped of the WBC light heavyweight crown he won against heavy favorite Michael Nunn, requires the group to pay him about $330,000 at the start of each calendar year.

The WBC said it was "a typographical error" when it listed Rocchigiani as its 175 pound champ and handed the belt back to popular American Roy Jones. Backtracking, the WBC claimed that Nunn and Rocchigiani had only fought for an interim title.

When the WBC went to bankruptcy court and threatened to dissolve, a settlement was reached in 2003.

"We got up off the canvas only seconds from disappearing," Sulaiman said at the time. [a sad day indeed, that they were able to survive and continue to ruin the once proud sport of boxing]

[Cap]

Originally Posted by jofre

Ring Rtaings from December 1951.

Don't know why it didn't strike me before, but did you guys notice how many light heavyweights ranked in 1951 also campaigned as heavyweights? Even then it was a pretty big leap when some of the big boys were starting to tip the scales at 210 and 220.

You see less of it a decade later.

Cap

[jofre]

Today's light-heavyweight walks around at around 200 lbs. In fact the fighters in most weight classes are fighting a weight class or two below their normal weight class (because there are so many divisions). Thats why I am against 17 weight classes. Why do we need 105, 108, 122, 130, 140, 154, 168 lb weight classes? The night of the fight they are all well over the weight limit.

[David Ball]

[QUOTE=Cap;3189697]Don't know why it didn't strike me before, but did you guys notice how many light heavyweights ranked in 1951 also campaigned as heavyweights? Even then it was a pretty big leap when some of the big boys were starting to tip the scales at 210 and 220./QUOTE]

I happened to take a look one time at the boxrec pages for a succession of light heavyweight champions from around the late '40's and early '50's -- at least two or three in a row, leading up to Archie Moore. All of them would fight a title fight, then a succession of nontitle fights against heavyweights, then defend the light heavy title, then back to the heavies.

[jofre]

Cap, Austin Killeen is a strong advocate for only eight weight divisions. He has been hounding me to consider taking a stand on returning to the eight original weight classes based on an article I wrote 11 years ago. Here is the draft he sent me last night.

[jofre]

Here is a link to the article I wrote for the Cyber Boxing Zone in February 2000 entitled A Boxing Fans Dream - Return to Sanity.

Wail! . . . The CBZ Journal -- May-June 2000

[jofre]

Here is a photo of a ripped (only kidding) Alfonso Gomez (the sacrificial lamb) in training, for Saul Alvarez.

[Cap]

Originally Posted by jofre

Cap, Austin Killeen is a strong advocate for only eight weight divisions. He has been hounding me to consider taking a stand on returning to the eight original weight classes based on an article I wrote 11 years ago. Here is the draft he sent me last night.

I like most of it, but first off, Wlad Klitschko is The Ring Magazine's champion, and I believe he should be recognized as THE champ. I notice the Cruiserweight division is missing. When so many heavies are from 235 to 250, I don't see there ever being another 195-lb heavyweight champ. You'd have to re-jig the weights in each class. Fer instink Middleweights would be 170-185 pounds; light heavyweights would be 185-210 with heavyweights being anything over 210 pounds. I personally like the name cruiserweights, and would prefer it to light heavyweight. (Did the American navy ever have a cruiser class warship?)

Unfortunately, because of the factions who would oppose it, such changes will only appear in a Title Bout AU. Come to think of it, the way things are going, that may one day be the only universe where boxing will exist.

Cap

[jofre]

Hungarian Karoly Balzsay is the new WBA super middleweight regular world champion, winning a unanimous decision over Ukrainian Stanyslav Kashtanov on Friday at the Donbass Arena in the city of Donetsk, Ukraine in an event hosted by Union Boxing Promotion (Yury Ruban). Scores were Pasquale Procopio 115-113, Stefano Carozza 115-114 Jean-Louis Legland 116-111. The 168-pound regular crown was vacant, American Andre Ward is the current “super” WBA world champion, while the Irishman Brian Magee is the interim champion of the organization after his victory in the XXIII KO Drugs Festival in Costa Rica

See, the WBC doesn't have a monopoly on stupitity!!!!!!

[Antonin]

Originally Posted by jofre

Hungarian Karoly Balzsay is the new WBA super middleweight regular world champion, winning a unanimous decision over Ukrainian Stanyslav Kashtanov on Friday at the Donbass Arena in the city of Donetsk, Ukraine in an event hosted by Union Boxing Promotion (Yury Ruban). Scores were Pasquale Procopio 115-113, Stefano Carozza 115-114 Jean-Louis Legland 116-111. The 168-pound regular crown was vacant, American Andre Ward is the current “super” WBA world champion, while the Irishman Brian Magee is the interim champion of the organization after his victory in the XXIII KO Drugs Festival in Costa Rica

See, the WBC doesn't have a monopoly on stupitity!!!!!!

*reaches for jumbo-sized bottle of aspirin*