OOTP11 vs. OOTP12 - Page 2

thbroman · 07-17-2011, 03:16 PM

I agree. For me, the most obvious improvement in 12 over 11 is in the contract dialogue, which is quite interesting to work with. I also appreciate the improvements made to the teams' financial reports, which are far more transparent and intelligible than they were before.

Also, here's something else that I believe I have seen in this version that was not so evident before: Now it seems that the a.i.-controlled teams really have different personalties. I may be reading my own hopes into the game, but it looks to me that different teams actually behave differently in terms of running the bases, deploying power versus OBP, and so on.

One thing I am looking forward to trying, maybe in my next fictional league, is to take a game all the way from 1890 to 1990. I think the historical modifiers allow you to do that with some confidence now.

highandoutside · 07-17-2011, 04:18 PM

Couple questions I have:

Is there any new play-by-play script?
Improvements to the in-game sound?
Does the AI GM perform better?
How about the in-game AI manager?

Thanks

Royalsusedtorule · 07-17-2011, 06:17 PM

A couple new tweaks will be nice once the main features of the game are fixed, I think, but right now I'm really frustrated with 12 ... have run into nothing but glitch after glitch since the 1st day I downloaded ...

Not going to go into a list, but the fact is, until I see that the inane situation of the best prospects in baseball (Pineda, Harper, Hosmer, etc.) being put on waivers continually in current MLB mode, I'm going back to 11 ...

(One theme to date, it seems, is that those who prefer fictional and historical leagues are happier and more impressed with 12, while those who play predominately current MLB have run into more problems of a higher magnitude (at least affecting realism) and are thus more disgruntled and unimpressed ...

Unfortunately, I'm in the latter group ...

Final note: An example is the last league I tried to play ... Bryce Harper was waived and claimed by eight (8!) teams while being listed as the #1 prospect in baseball and is back on waivers on the last day of the season ... only reason it wasn't more was that a number of other claims were invalid ... yeah, that realism really had me immersed in the game ...

jtsly2000 · 07-17-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Royalsusedtorule

A couple new tweaks will be nice once the main features of the game are fixed, I think, but right now I'm really frustrated with 12 ... have run into nothing but glitch after glitch since the 1st day I downloaded ...

Not going to go into a list, but the fact is, until I see that the inane situation of the best prospects in baseball (Pineda, Harper, Hosmer, etc.) being put on waivers continually in current MLB mode, I'm going back to 11 ...

(One theme to date, it seems, is that those who prefer fictional and historical leagues are happier and more impressed with 12, while those who play predominately current MLB have run into more problems of a higher magnitude (at least affecting realism) and are thus more disgruntled and unimpressed ...

Unfortunately, I'm in the latter group ...

Final note: An example is the last league I tried to play ... Bryce Harper was waived and claimed by eight (8!) teams while being listed as the #1 prospect in baseball and is back on waivers on the last day of the season ... only reason it wasn't more was that a number of other claims were invalid ... yeah, that realism really had me immersed in the game ...

Wow! Completely unacceptable. I'm definitely going to hold off considering parting with my money until these issues are addressed. Thanks for the feedback.

PSUColonel · 07-17-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GiantYankee

Please describe how the immersion has improved so much. Thanks.

I'd like to know this also.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GiantYankee

Please describe how the immersion has improved so much. Thanks.

I'm just more immersed... mainly the new newspaper, offseason center, contract negotiations seem more realistic, the league leaders stuff that comes via email once a week, depth chart, etc...

The Wolf · 07-17-2011, 08:14 PM

I don't know what the reasons all are, but 12 feels a lot more immersive than 11 did, and I played a ton of 11 and loved it.

Elektranaut · 07-17-2011, 08:22 PM

Has there been any improvement in A.I.trading?

USN Squid · 07-18-2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

I don't know what the reasons all are, but 12 feels a lot more immersive than 11 did, and I played a ton of 11 and loved it.

Just FYI, I've seen you pop up and defend 12 in numerous threads, without any substantial reason. At this point, you're defining the term "fanboy."

Just sayin'.

silvam14 · 07-18-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by USN Squid

Just FYI, I've seen you pop up and defend 12 in numerous threads, without any substantial reason. At this point, you're defining the term "fanboy."

Just sayin'.

He just likes it I guess. The onus isn't on people who like it to prove why they like it. Its on people complaining about bugs to explain them and report them so they can be fixed

hluraven · 07-18-2011, 09:32 AM

The new features (contract negotiations, financial changes and others) make it a lot better, but it is less stable and slightly more buggy - inevitably so given the time since release.

For whether to buy, if you want a better game with (nearly all) minor problems then go for it, if you prefer to wait until near all bugs are squashed then wait. FWIW, I haven't experienced many of the worst issues described, certainly not that top prospect waived thing above, although online seems to be messed up. It may well be that some of these bugs occur only with certain set-ups or settings on/off - one of the reasons "just make it an option" in all the suggestion threads isn't as simple as it sounds.

LeiterFanatic · 07-18-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

He just likes it I guess. The onus isn't on people who like it to prove why they like it. Its on people complaining about bugs to explain them and report them so they can be fixed

It is a shame when people who paid their money and have a gripe get grief for not manning up and enjoying the game, dammit. Imagine if you had a rattle in your Dodge and everytime you went to the service department, random customers kept interrupting you to say "My Dodge is perfectly quiet. I don't know what your problem is. "

The Wolf · 07-18-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by USN Squid

Just FYI, I've seen you pop up and defend 12 in numerous threads, without any substantial reason. At this point, you're defining the term "fanboy."

Just sayin'.

That's a lie. I have posted all over this board the main reasons I like OOTP 12: autocalc, the new financials, lineup change verification, and the save game feature. I've been playing OOTP 12 daily since it was released and the only significant problem I've seen was the Hispanic-only draft classes in the 2011 roster set, but Markus fixed that in like a day.

As to the immersion, I posted the truth. I don't know why it's more immersive - it just is. I'm not the only person who feels that way. If you can't handle the truth, that's your problem, and you don't need to go gratuitously insulting people who disagree with you in an attempt to discredit them.

silvam14 · 07-18-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LeiterFanatic

It is a shame when people who paid their money and have a gripe get grief for not manning up and enjoying the game, dammit. Imagine if you had a rattle in your Dodge and everytime you went to the service department, random customers kept interrupting you to say "My Dodge is perfectly quiet. I don't know what your problem is. "

I have no problem with people who have gripes. I have a couple of my own with this game. I believe this forum is a place to talk about them as much as it is to talk about what people want in the next patch, etc...

LeiterFanatic · 07-18-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

n/m

N/m also

hluraven · 07-18-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LeiterFanatic

It is a shame when people who paid their money and have a gripe get grief for not manning up and enjoying the game, dammit. Imagine if you had a rattle in your Dodge and everytime you went to the service department, random customers kept interrupting you to say "My Dodge is perfectly quiet. I don't know what your problem is. "

If you're going to use car analogies, you could also say that it is like people saying "Don't buy a Dodge, mine had a rattle so all Dodges will". Even if I changed the settings to include a rattle.

I'm far from saying the game is flawless, or that some people don't have issues that genuinely cause the whole experience to be ruined. If that happens, they should complain about it, but certain posters here have been saying how bad 12 is before it was released and after, and much of their complaint is that they either don't understand a feature, or have changed something themselves.

Asking why something works the way it does, or raising a ticket when something doesn't work is good, shouting that the game is terrible about an issue that is actually correct is not helpful to anyone.

The Wolf · 07-18-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LeiterFanatic

It is a shame when people who paid their money and have a gripe get grief for not manning up and enjoying the game, dammit. Imagine if you had a rattle in your Dodge and everytime you went to the service department, random customers kept interrupting you to say "My Dodge is perfectly quiet. I don't know what your problem is. "

Gripe all you want. I think the game is great and more immersive. You and some others don't. We DISAGREE, that's all. If I were to post "The game is great and flawless," you'd DISAGREE. That's fair.

Posting lies and calling names isn't.

The Wolf · 07-18-2011, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hluraven

If you're going to use car analogies, you could also say that it is like people saying "Don't buy a Dodge, mine had a rattle so all Dodges will". Even if I changed the settings to include a rattle.

I'm far from saying the game is flawless, or that some people don't have issues that genuinely cause the whole experience to be ruined. If that happens, they should complain about it, but certain posters here have been saying how bad 12 is before it was released and after, and much of their complaint is that they either don't understand a feature, or have changed something themselves.

Asking why something works the way it does, or raising a ticket when something doesn't work is good, shouting that the game is terrible about an issue that is actually correct is not helpful to anyone.

That's saying that some people were prejudiced against OOTP 12 before it was released. I really hope that's not true. But overall you made a good point.

The Wolf · 07-18-2011, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

I have no problem with people who have gripes. I have a couple of my own with this game. I believe this forum is a place to talk about them as much as it is to talk about what people want in the next patch, etc...

I don't have any problem with specific gripes, either. Everyone has the right to gripe. I do get tired of the "OOTP12SUX" laundry lists, though, and the gripes by people who are trying to get the game to do some custom weirdness that it was never designed for.

GiantYankee · 07-18-2011, 02:50 PM

I personally don't think that anyone has to prove that the game is great or not great. I just want to get an idea from people's experiences, if 12 is worth it to me right now.

07-17-2011, 03:16 PM	#21
thbroman All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 867	I agree. For me, the most obvious improvement in 12 over 11 is in the contract dialogue, which is quite interesting to work with. I also appreciate the improvements made to the teams' financial reports, which are far more transparent and intelligible than they were before. Also, here's something else that I believe I have seen in this version that was not so evident before: Now it seems that the a.i.-controlled teams really have different personalties. I may be reading my own hopes into the game, but it looks to me that different teams actually behave differently in terms of running the bases, deploying power versus OBP, and so on. One thing I am looking forward to trying, maybe in my next fictional league, is to take a game all the way from 1890 to 1990. I think the historical modifiers allow you to do that with some confidence now.

07-17-2011, 04:18 PM	#22
highandoutside All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 695	Couple questions I have: Is there any new play-by-play script? Improvements to the in-game sound? Does the AI GM perform better? How about the in-game AI manager? Thanks

07-17-2011, 06:17 PM	#23
Royalsusedtorule Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Nebraska Posts: 281	A couple new tweaks will be nice once the main features of the game are fixed, I think, but right now I'm really frustrated with 12 ... have run into nothing but glitch after glitch since the 1st day I downloaded ... Not going to go into a list, but the fact is, until I see that the inane situation of the best prospects in baseball (Pineda, Harper, Hosmer, etc.) being put on waivers continually in current MLB mode, I'm going back to 11 ... (One theme to date, it seems, is that those who prefer fictional and historical leagues are happier and more impressed with 12, while those who play predominately current MLB have run into more problems of a higher magnitude (at least affecting realism) and are thus more disgruntled and unimpressed ... Unfortunately, I'm in the latter group ... Final note: An example is the last league I tried to play ... Bryce Harper was waived and claimed by eight (8!) teams while being listed as the #1 prospect in baseball and is back on waivers on the last day of the season ... only reason it wasn't more was that a number of other claims were invalid ... yeah, that realism really had me immersed in the game ...

07-17-2011, 08:22 PM	#28
Elektranaut Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 361	Has there been any improvement in A.I.trading?

07-18-2011, 09:32 AM	#31
hluraven Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 357	The new features (contract negotiations, financial changes and others) make it a lot better, but it is less stable and slightly more buggy - inevitably so given the time since release. For whether to buy, if you want a better game with (nearly all) minor problems then go for it, if you prefer to wait until near all bugs are squashed then wait. FWIW, I haven't experienced many of the worst issues described, certainly not that top prospect waived thing above, although online seems to be messed up. It may well be that some of these bugs occur only with certain set-ups or settings on/off - one of the reasons "just make it an option" in all the suggestion threads isn't as simple as it sounds.

07-18-2011, 02:50 PM	#40
GiantYankee All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,105	I personally don't think that anyone has to prove that the game is great or not great. I just want to get an idea from people's experiences, if 12 is worth it to me right now.