OOTP11 vs. OOTP12

brownsfan22 · 07-16-2011, 06:24 PM

How much better is OOTP12 than OOTP11 at this point?

PSUColonel · 07-16-2011, 06:44 PM

it will take me some time to know for sure, but not much from what I can see early on.

I am not saying it's a bad version...but 11 was very very good...just a very tight game.

GBS · 07-16-2011, 06:51 PM

12 is an improvement and has enough new features for me.

The Wolf · 07-16-2011, 07:01 PM

Big improvement.

RchW · 07-16-2011, 07:15 PM

For me the league total modifier (autocalc) feature is worth the price alone. I used to spend a day or two copying league totals and calculating modifiers in Excel. I'm not happy with the "Country" and "State" issue with imported v11 leagues, but understand that it is cosmetic.

Reading the generally positive posts from historical players has intrigued me enough to consider trying one.

My impression is that the level of satisfaction with v12 correlates closely to how problem areas affect individual playing styles.

Charlie Hough · 07-16-2011, 07:35 PM

It depends largely on what your priorities are. Some new features and improvements might not be relevant at all to the way you play the game. Or, they might make a massive difference in your experience if they were aspects of the game that dissatisfied you previously.

I would say that OOTP12 is not a huge improvement because OOTP11 was very tough to beat. But it has a few key features in the historical area that make a major difference for me personally.

Some of the immersion, fictional league, and financial features are a big hit with certain folks.

I really can't understand how anyone would be disappointed with any version of OOTP since the 2006 debacle. Worst case, you will spend about $30 or $40, get quite a number of bug fixes and nice new features, and you will help keep development of this game going.

silvam14 · 07-16-2011, 07:48 PM

If you don't play with financials or historical, then there is minimal improvement (or if not improvement, then there are minimal new features) Not to say it isn't great, because 11 certainly was, but for non-financial players, as of now, $40 is not a good price to upgrade.

Just my opinion of course

Afino · 07-16-2011, 08:19 PM

It's tough because 11 was such an incredible game. If that happened to be the last version of OOTP ever (thank the stars it wasn't), I would play it happily forever.

I was skeptical about 12, very much so. But the improvements have made it worth a purchase again, especially in terms of the financials (the "preview" feature in league setup alone is a great addition!).

silentrob · 07-16-2011, 08:59 PM

For someone who is also considering an upgrade could anyone (briefly) describe what is better about historical play. That is my favorite part of the game.

Afino · 07-17-2011, 08:17 AM

The biggest change is with the new "simulation module", the entire season is "simmed" three times prior to each league year to provide extremely accurate league total modifiers, and therefore extremely accurate results.

THEOVELS · 07-17-2011, 09:07 AM

The in game save feature is worth the upgrade price for me. However, I have not used it as much as I thought I would...yet. As for the price sent on 12, I send more money on other stuff like gas for my car or gambling at the casino, then on version 12, and I get FAR more enjoyment playing OOTP!

ashantewarrier · 07-17-2011, 09:57 AM

Reserve Clause era rules are great for those who enjoy early historical play.

GiantYankee · 07-17-2011, 10:31 AM

Could someone talk about the upgrade with financials? I'm really interested but 11 is great and I feel like posters have talked about alot of bugs.

GrantDawg · 07-17-2011, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GiantYankee

Could someone talk about the upgrade with financials? I'm really interested but 11 is great and I feel like posters have talked about alot of bugs.

Talking about a lot of "bugs" could be true with any new release. If you are happy with a game, you are just not as likely to post than someone that is having a problem. Also, a lot of "bug" reports on the message board really comes from not understanding how a function works. A deep game is going to have a good bit of that.

That said, 12 still hasn't hit the level of "bug quashing" that 11 has. Of course, 11 has already had its final patch, and 12 still has patches yet to come. So, it is just one of those things you deal with any newish release. Wait for the final patch, or work with the game knowing there is going to be improvements later.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2011, 12:37 PM

I'm lovin it...

The immersion for me, went up 75% with ootp12.

GiantYankee · 07-17-2011, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I'm lovin it...

The immersion for me, went up 75% with ootp12.

Please describe how the immersion has improved so much. Thanks.

timmynabigjimmy · 07-17-2011, 01:44 PM

There isn't much of an improvement imo. They are 95% the same exact game. Just depends if that extra 5% appeals to you or not. I could take it or leave it personally.

The Wolf · 07-17-2011, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I'm lovin it...

The immersion for me, went up 75% with ootp12.

Yes, it did.

USN Squid · 07-17-2011, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Yes, it did.

How?

james17 · 07-17-2011, 02:42 PM

I love the new contract negotiations dialogue. I think it adds a lot to the realism. Financials are also more realistic with the player development budget and the ability to scout countries with associated costs.

07-16-2011, 06:24 PM	#1
brownsfan22 Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1	OOTP11 vs. OOTP12 How much better is OOTP12 than OOTP11 at this point?

07-16-2011, 06:44 PM	#2
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,139	it will take me some time to know for sure, but not much from what I can see early on. I am not saying it's a bad version...but 11 was very very good...just a very tight game. Last edited by PSUColonel; 07-16-2011 at 07:41 PM.

07-16-2011, 07:15 PM	#5
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	For me the league total modifier (autocalc) feature is worth the price alone. I used to spend a day or two copying league totals and calculating modifiers in Excel. I'm not happy with the "Country" and "State" issue with imported v11 leagues, but understand that it is cosmetic. Reading the generally positive posts from historical players has intrigued me enough to consider trying one. My impression is that the level of satisfaction with v12 correlates closely to how problem areas affect individual playing styles. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

07-16-2011, 07:48 PM	#7
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 10,136	If you don't play with financials or historical, then there is minimal improvement (or if not improvement, then there are minimal new features) Not to say it isn't great, because 11 certainly was, but for non-financial players, as of now, $40 is not a good price to upgrade. Just my opinion of course __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________ Last edited by silvam14; 07-16-2011 at 07:54 PM.

07-16-2011, 08:19 PM	#8
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,827	It's tough because 11 was such an incredible game. If that happened to be the last version of OOTP ever (thank the stars it wasn't), I would play it happily forever. I was skeptical about 12, very much so. But the improvements have made it worth a purchase again, especially in terms of the financials (the "preview" feature in league setup alone is a great addition!). __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers

07-16-2011, 06:51 PM	#3
GBS Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 233	12 is an improvement and has enough new features for me.

07-16-2011, 07:35 PM	#6
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,644	It depends largely on what your priorities are. Some new features and improvements might not be relevant at all to the way you play the game. Or, they might make a massive difference in your experience if they were aspects of the game that dissatisfied you previously. I would say that OOTP12 is not a huge improvement because OOTP11 was very tough to beat. But it has a few key features in the historical area that make a major difference for me personally. Some of the immersion, fictional league, and financial features are a big hit with certain folks. I really can't understand how anyone would be disappointed with any version of OOTP since the 2006 debacle. Worst case, you will spend about $30 or $40, get quite a number of bug fixes and nice new features, and you will help keep development of this game going.

07-16-2011, 08:59 PM	#9
silentrob Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kalispell, MT Posts: 233	For someone who is also considering an upgrade could anyone (briefly) describe what is better about historical play. That is my favorite part of the game.

07-17-2011, 08:17 AM	#10
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,827	The biggest change is with the new "simulation module", the entire season is "simmed" three times prior to each league year to provide extremely accurate league total modifiers, and therefore extremely accurate results. __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers

07-17-2011, 09:07 AM	#11
THEOVELS Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: HEAVEN, NO WAIT, THIS IS IOWA Posts: 69	The in game save feature is worth the upgrade price for me. However, I have not used it as much as I thought I would...yet. As for the price sent on 12, I send more money on other stuff like gas for my car or gambling at the casino, then on version 12, and I get FAR more enjoyment playing OOTP!

07-17-2011, 09:57 AM	#12
ashantewarrier Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, NJ via Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,308	Reserve Clause era rules are great for those who enjoy early historical play. __________________ "I'm not concerned with your liking or disliking me... All I ask is that you respect me as a human being." -Jackie Robinson, #42 Brooklyn Dodgers *"Hitting is better than sex."* - Reggie Jackson

07-17-2011, 10:31 AM	#13
GiantYankee All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,105	Could someone talk about the upgrade with financials? I'm really interested but 11 is great and I feel like posters have talked about alot of bugs.

07-17-2011, 12:37 PM	#15
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,266	I'm lovin it... The immersion for me, went up 75% with ootp12.

07-17-2011, 01:44 PM	#17
timmynabigjimmy Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 19	There isn't much of an improvement imo. They are 95% the same exact game. Just depends if that extra 5% appeals to you or not. I could take it or leave it personally. __________________ Tim Brock

07-17-2011, 02:42 PM	#20
james17 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,305	I love the new contract negotiations dialogue. I think it adds a lot to the realism. Financials are also more realistic with the player development budget and the ability to scout countries with associated costs.