The only baseball sim I've ever gotten addicted to...

[Dutchy]

Originally Posted by Marberi

Really? And, why is that?

I'd really like to hear a logical, unbiased reason that would make the Boston Red Sox better than the most recognizable, popular and legendary sports franchise in the entire world.

Entire world? Hopefully you do mean after the likes of Barcelona, Manchester United, Real Madrid, Liverpool, AC Milan and Inter Milan?

[Marberi]

Originally Posted by Dutchy

Entire world? Hopefully you do mean after the likes of Barcelona, Manchester United, Real Madrid, Liverpool, AC Milan and Inter Milan?

No. I meant EXACTLY what I said.

Just check with Forbes magazine, if you don't believe my words. As the New York Yankees sold more merchandise across the world last year than any other sports franchise.

EDIT: actually, I stand corrected. It's not about merchandise sales. It's the most valuable sports franchise in the world that the NYY are according to Forbes. Here's the quote to support my words, and a link to the article:

"In Pictures: The World's 10 Most Valuable Sports Franchises

The $1 billion-and-up club isn't particularly broad based. By Forbes' count, it consists of the New York Yankees, a handful of European soccer clubs and, well, most of the NFL."

The Most Valuable Teams In Sports - Forbes.com

[Dutchy]

Originally Posted by Marberi

No. I meant EXACTLY what I said.

Just check with Forbes magazine, if you don't believe my words. As the New York Yankees sold more merchandise across the world last year than any other sports franchise.

I know that merchandise of the New York Yankees: these are usually baseball caps and they are indeed widely sold throughout the world. But then ask the people wearing these baseball caps from Europe, Asia (except for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan), Australia and Oceania what that logo on their cap stands for and 9 out of 10 times they'll tell you: "I don't know, I just like the cap." This is from my own experience as I asked people if they knew what that baseball cap represented.

Soccer shirts on the other hand are sold throughout the world and are most of the time well-recognized. That's because soccer is by far the most popular sport on this planet.

Wearing a baseball cap of a certain ball club doesn't mean they also have the brand awareness. For that, they need to know what it stands for and for the baseball club to be popular the people wearing these caps will also have to be positive towards the ball club and you'll only get that when they have knowledge of it. Otherwise it's just New York's city marketing.

[Marberi]

Originally Posted by Dutchy

I know that merchandise of the New York Yankees: these are usually baseball caps and they are indeed widely sold throughout the world. But then ask the people wearing these baseball caps from Europe, Asia (except for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan), Australia and Oceania what that logo on their cap stands for and 9 out of 10 times they'll tell you: "I don't know, I just like the cap." This is from my own experience as I asked people if they knew what that baseball cap represented.

Soccer shirts on the other hand are sold throughout the world and are most of the time well-recognized. That's because soccer is by far the most popular sport on this planet.

You wanna hear something funny? I wasn't born anywhere near New York City and yet, I LOVE the New York Yankees with a passion. I never miss ONE SINGLE Yankee game, even if I have to catch them on MLB's Gameday. I wear my Yankee hat, my jersey and jacket, not only with pride, but with perfect awareness of what they represent.

I was born, raised and currently live in a country that has just gone insane for having won the U-17 soccer World Cup just last night (that is UNDER SEVENTEEN, not even U-21, so you can imagine what soccer means to most of my countrymen), so I know perfectly well what you mean.

Were I a New Yorker (or even an American citizen), you could probably make a case against me. But, since I am not, I guess I'm the perfect example of the reach and popularity of the N.Y. Yankees. And the same cannot be said for any other sports franchise, be it the Red Sox, the Dallas Cowboys, the L.A. Lakers, Barcelona F.C. or Man. U. for that matter.

[Dutchy]

Originally Posted by Marberi

You wanna hear something funny? I wasn't born anywhere near New York City and yet, I LOVE the New York Yankees with a passion. I never miss ONE SINGLE Yankee game, even if I have to catch them on MLB's Gameday. I wear my Yankee hat, my jersey and jacket, not only with pride, but with perfect awareness of what they represent.

I was born, raised and currently live in a country that has just gone insane for having won the U-17 soccer World Cup just last night (that is UNDER SEVENTEEN, not even U-21, so you can imagine what soccer means to most of my countrymen), so I know perfectly well what you mean.

Were I a New Yorker (or even an American citizen), you could probably make a case against me. But, since I am not, I guess I'm the perfect example of the reach and popularity of the N.Y. Yankees. And the same cannot be said for any other sports franchise, be it the Red Sox, the Dallas Cowboys, the L.A. Lakers, Barcelona F.C. or Man. U. for that matter.

Look, you're from a country where baseball is also immensely popular. Hence the number of Mexicans playing/played in the MLB. The same cannot be said of the regions I mentioned in my previous post.

Congrats on winning the U-17 World Championship.

[themonk]

Originally Posted by Marberi

You wanna hear something funny? I wasn't born anywhere near New York City and yet, I LOVE the New York Yankees with a passion...

Same here. I'm not a New Yorker, and I'm not an American, but I'm a big fan of the Yankees. In our country people are basketball-crazy.(We have a professional basketball league which was established in the mid 70's.) Baseball is not that popular, although we a baseball league which started during the year 2007. It's, of course, not major league level baseball, but it's a start.

I have to admit that I also love basketball. I use to play it in my younger years. (I played basketball for my high school.) But since I downloaded the free version of OOTP 2 years ago I fell in love with baseball. I now prefer it to basketball.

Before I downloaded OOTP, I didn't know much about baseball. But since 2009, just by playing OOTP and watching MLB games through cable TV, my knowledge and appreciation of the game has grown by leaps and bounds. It goes without saying that I usually watch the games of the Yankees, and when I play OOTP (where I play with 2 fictional solo leagues, one of which is a fictional league based on the MLB) I manage the New York Yankees...

[Erad67]

Originally Posted by ashantewarrier

Waahh

...I remember the 1980's and the long 18 year drought between championships. It's not always easy street for the Yanks. Heck it was 9 years until they won their last championship.

BTW- The Sox are not too far behind the so-called "evil empire" with a $180M payroll. ...

Why you're complaining tell the small market teams to stop hoarding all that luxury tax money for themselves and invest it into their teams.

I agree that teams shouldn't hoard the luxury tax money. Also, I DID include Boston in my comment if you read it again.

No championship for a whole 18 years? None in the last 9? Waahh! My team hasn't had a winning season in 18 years!!! In that 18 year "drought", the Yanks had just 5 losing seasons (one of which resulted in the Yanks getting the 6th draft pick and took a guy named Jeter), a tragic 97 win season w/no playoff appearance, and 3 playoff seasons. Sorry, but losing in the playoffs isn't a bad season.

You will NEVER make anyone sorry for a team that has been in the playoffs 15 of the last 16 years, would have been 16 of the last 17 w/o the strike, and they still are in position to continue for the foreseeable future.

Strings of success that long have less to do with great drafting, great coaching, or great developing of talent, and more to do with money. Nice if your favorite team has it, but don't expect the other 75% of baseball fans whose teams are poor in comparison like your team. To the rest of us most of your playoff appearances feel rather cheap, your crying about not winning a championship is annoying, and seeing a third of the daily news articles be about your team frustrate us as well. There is MUCH more to the major leagues than Boston and New York.

Not being a fan of either team I am just VERY tired of hearing so much about those teams and I'm sick of losing players to those teams. Hard being a fan when few stay on the team for more than 5 1/2 years. In my view, that's largely a result of the massive contracts which BOS & NY have helped make so common, thus my dislike for those teams.

[Erad67]

Originally Posted by themonk

Before I downloaded OOTP, I didn't know much about baseball. But since 2009, just by playing OOTP and watching MLB games through cable TV, my knowledge and appreciation of the game has grown by leaps and bounds.

That's great! How did you discover the game and what made you decide to play it?

Who are your favorite players?

[ecd1973]

Originally Posted by Marberi

No. I meant EXACTLY what I said.

Just check with Forbes magazine, if you don't believe my words. As the New York Yankees sold more merchandise across the world last year than any other sports franchise.

EDIT: actually, I stand corrected. It's not about merchandise sales. It's the most valuable sports franchise in the world that the NYY are according to Forbes. Here's the quote to support my words, and a link to the article:

"In Pictures: The World's 10 Most Valuable Sports Franchises

The $1 billion-and-up club isn't particularly broad based. By Forbes' count, it consists of the New York Yankees, a handful of European soccer clubs and, well, most of the NFL."

The Most Valuable Teams In Sports - Forbes.com

What you EXACTLY said was this: "recognizable, popular and legendary". That Forbes report has nothing to do with any of those adjectives. All three are debatable and many soccer teams would out distance the Yankees in "popular-ness" "recognizeable-ness" and "legendary-ness"

[Marberi]

Originally Posted by Dutchy

Look, you're from a country where baseball is also immensely popular. Hence the number of Mexicans playing/played in the MLB. The same cannot be said of the regions I mentioned in my previous post.

Congrats on winning the U-17 World Championship.

Since I'm a huge baseball fan, I obviously admit that the sport is popular down here. More than in countries such as say, Brazil or Argentina, where baseball is obviously all but non-existent and soccer is almost a religion. Alas, the media down here has brain-washed the people into believing that México is just like those soccer-crazed South American countries, simply because it's convenient to their wallets. Hence, while popular, baseball appeals to a minority in México and our numbers keep dwindling every single day.

Oh, we do have a handful of MLB players, but nothing next to the Dominican, Venezuela or Puerto Rico, for instance; countries where baseball is extremely popular. And our only all-star at the level of a Pujols, a Canó, a King Félix or a Miguel Cabrera, to name a few, is not is not even 100% Mexican, since Adrián González is a Mexican-American.

Networks such as Televisa (the most powerful media outlet in México, if not all of Latin America) or ESPN Latin America will gladly skip a Yankees-Red Sox or Dodgers-Giants game in México, to cover a Mexican second division soccer match. I have been personally told by a marketing exec for Televisa Deportes (Sports) that MLB does not generate interest amongst their potential sponsors, whilst soccer generates MMD in advertising revenue for them.

That said, one of the biggest sports news reported last weekend here was Derek Jeter reaching 3000 hits. He didn't get as much coverage as the U-17 soccer team, of course, but he still got plenty of coverage. Something that cannot be said for Craig Biggio and/or Wade Boggs when they reached the milestone. No sports news show in México bothered to mention them. And why is that? Because neither Boggs nor Biggio was the captain and most iconic current figure of the New York Yankees when they reached 3000 hits.

That's what the Yankees mean to the sports world. They are the most popular team in México (followed closely by the Dodgers, because of Fernando Valenzuela, obviously) and even in countries where baseball is not very popular at all, whatever few people follow the game are, in their majority, fans of the NY Yankees and that's a fact well known by any non-American baseball fan.

Thanks for the congratulations I don't like soccer in the very least, but I do support my country in any major sporting event, of course.

Originally Posted by ecd1973

What you EXACTLY said was this: "recognizable, popular and legendary". That Forbes report has nothing to do with any of those adjectives. All three are debatable and many soccer teams would out distance the Yankees in "popular-ness" "recognizeable-ness" and "legendary-ness"

The Forbes thing was in reply to another post. It doesn't actually relate to my earlier comment. But I stand by what I said. Love them or hate them, the Yankees are well-known all over the world (and heated topic of debate, as these last few posts clearly demonstrate) and no club has ever won more titles in their respective sport than the Yankees.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by ashantewarrier

Why you're complaining tell the small market teams to stop hoarding all that luxury tax money for themselves and invest it into their teams.

You mean revenue sharing money. Luxury tax money is not distributed to clubs. Instead, a portion of it goes to the players and the remainder goes to MLB to fund various baseball development programs.

Originally Posted by Marberi

They [the New York Yankees] have ALWAYS been the alpha dog in the MLB pound, simple as that.

That's not correct.

For the first 18 years of their existence the club's best finish was 2nd (in 1904, 1906, and 1910). Over the eight seasons spanning 1911-8 its highest finish was 4th place. The franchise didn't win its first AL pennant until 1921. From that point on, however, it became a juggernaut for the next four decades. What helped a great deal was the opening of Yankee Stadium in 1923, which proved to be a major source of revenue for the club, giving it a financial advantage over its rivals.

The franchise entered the doldrums from 1969-75 and again from 1982-93. But after that it once again climbed to the top.

[Marberi]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

That's not correct.

For the first 18 years of their existence the club's best finish was 2nd (in 1904, 1906, and 1910). Over the eight seasons spanning 1911-8 its highest finish was 4th place. The franchise didn't win its first AL pennant until 1921. From that point on, however, it became a juggernaut for the next four decades. What helped a great deal was the opening of Yankee Stadium in 1923, which proved to be a major source of revenue for the club, giving it a financial advantage over its rivals.

The franchise entered the doldrums from 1969-75 and again from 1982-93. But after that it once again climbed to the top.

Well, as the very wise and popular fictional character Obi-Wan Kenobi would say, "the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view". From that perspective, I would say my comment is 100% correct, since it is subjective and depends on the context.

When I call the Yanks the "top dog in the MLB pound" I mean to say that they have won the most titles. Perhaps that's where the confusion lies, because I never meant to imply they've always won. Just that, unlike all other franchises in MLB, the Yankees always give themselves a chance to win.

[JMDurron]

Originally Posted by texasmame

Sure, '07 was sweet but '04 can never, ever be topped. It was. . . perfect!

As the man himself said while raising the bubbly bottle, "TO THE BEST RED SOX TEAM EVER!!!"

I don't dispute this at all, I just find it funny that people only keep thanking him for one title, as if he still wasn't a key component of the second one. Not quite as key, sure, but he still got the job done in October. Again.

[themonk]

Originally Posted by Erad67

That's great! How did you discover the game and what made you decide to play it?

Who are your favorite players?

I discovered the text sim genre of games a few months before I came across OOTP 2 years ago (during one of those times I was surfing the web). I started out with the free versions of Total Golf Pro (a golf text sim) & Puresim (another baseball text sim, similar to OOTP). I didn't know that this genre of computer games existed before. I'm a former software developer and started out in the computer industry in the mid 80's, but I usually don't play computer games. However, right now, I enjoy playing text sims. Probably, because they remind me of the sports games (basketball & golf) that I simulated and played as a kid using a deck of cards. (I guess, you can call it a primitive form of text sim.)

A few months later OOTP 8 was offered as a free download. After I downloaded it, I have to admit that I had difficulty learning it. But once I got the hang of it, I preferred it to Puresim. Puresim is easier to learn, and has better play-by-play interface, but OOTP, although a little bit complex, was more realistic and offered a better gaming experience (at least for me).

I've been playing OOTP for the past 2 years and immensely enjoying it, although I still play the free version - OOTP 8. Unlike most of the forum members, I consider myself a beginner, and, right now, I'm pretty satisified with the free version.

By the way, because of chronic illness, I've been staying at home for the past 9 years. Playing text sims, especially OOTP, has been a form of therapy for me. It has helped me cope with my illness. For one thing, It has given me something positive to occupy my time with, and it has taken my mind off my illness...

Many years ago I watched a film on Babe Ruth, and I liked it very much. He was such a colorful personality, and a great baseball player! I guess, that's why I like the Yankees , too - because he played with them. By the way, I consider Babe Ruth my favorite player.

My favorite modern-day players are Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera, whom I consider the greatest closer of all time...

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Marberi

"In Pictures: The World's 10 Most Valuable Sports Franchises

The $1 billion-and-up club isn't particularly broad based. By Forbes' count, it consists of the New York Yankees, a handful of European soccer clubs and, well, most of the NFL."

The Most Valuable Teams In Sports - Forbes.com

Not that I disagree with you here but that article has

1. Manchester U
2. Dallas Cowboys
3. Washington Redskins
4. New England Patriots
5. New York Yankees

On the open market I have a hard time believing 3 of those teams would bring in more than the Yankees.

[Erad67]

Was there any explanation for how they calculate the value of a sports club?

Most clubs don't own their stadiums, so most of they do own is their history, reputation, advertising rights, TV rights, sales of trinkets, and the contracts for various players. I probably missed a few things.

A price for history and reputation is a tough thing to calculate. You can't say something like "The next Yankees championship will raise the value of the club by $12,568,000."

Contracts.... Another tough one. Again using the Yankees as the example, I would consider having A-rod & Jeter assets to the club, but I wouldn't consider their contracts to be financially healthy for the club. If I were buying that franchise I would pay less because of those contracts instead of more. What do those two make combined in a season? $47 million this year for 2 past their prime players? Then there's AJ Burnet's $16.5 million for less than average performance, Kei Igawa's effectively $9.2 million to pitch in the minors or rehab, ....

Sorry, went too far off on a tangent. Anyways, how are those values determined?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Erad67

Was there any explanation for how they calculate the value of a sports club?

Most clubs don't own their stadiums, so most of they do own is their history, reputation, advertising rights, TV rights, sales of trinkets, and the contracts for various players. I probably missed a few things.

A price for history and reputation is a tough thing to calculate. You can't say something like "The next Yankees championship will raise the value of the club by $12,568,000."

Contracts.... Another tough one. Again using the Yankees as the example, I would consider having A-rod & Jeter assets to the club, but I wouldn't consider their contracts to be financially healthy for the club. If I were buying that franchise I would pay less because of those contracts instead of more. What do those two make combined in a season? $47 million this year for 2 past their prime players? Then there's AJ Burnet's $16.5 million for less than average performance, Kei Igawa's effectively $9.2 million to pitch in the minors or rehab, ....

Sorry, went too far off on a tangent. Anyways, how are those values determined?

It seems like history, television contracts, and estimated merchandise revenue play a large part. These television contracts for US sports have become huge. Im not familiar with Euro soccer television contracts but Im sure they have some rather large ones as well.

Im not sure when that article was from but I wouldnt be surprised if the Dallas Cowboys were now #1 with that new state of the art stadium they built.

[Marberi]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Not that I disagree with you here but that article has

1. Manchester U
2. Dallas Cowboys
3. Washington Redskins
4. New England Patriots
5. New York Yankees

On the open market I have a hard time believing 3 of those teams would bring in more than the Yankees.

I agree. I too find it hard to believe that 3 NFL franchises would pocket more revenue than the Yankees. Even the Cowboys, which are HUGE in my country, for instance. But, I stand corrected and have no problem admitting to having been wrong. Besides, I don't want to keep derailing (much less hijacking this thread)

My only and original point was that from a neutral, unbiased perspective, there's no way that the RS are better than the NYY. The number of pennants and WS titles won by each team, in addition to the number of times the NYY have finished ahead of the RS in the standings, proves just that.

In fact, I think we can all accept that's the main reason why RS fans just can't stand the NYY and it's at the core of the best, most heated rivalry in sports...IMO, that is. Wouldn't want any fans of the Barcelona-R.Madrid or Man. U-Chelsea rivalries crying foul about this now

[Erad67]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

It seems like history, television contracts, and estimated merchandise revenue play a large part. These television contracts for US sports have become huge. .. I wouldnt be surprised if the Dallas Cowboys were now #1 with that new state of the art stadium they built.

Merchandise! That was the word I couldn't recall earlier! I live where I don't hear a lot of English, so it gets a little tough to recall specific words from time to time.

Do the Cowboys actually own their own stadium? Most teams don't.

[Marberi]

Originally Posted by Erad67

Merchandise! That was the word I couldn't recall earlier! I live where I don't hear a lot of English, so it gets a little tough to recall specific words from time to time.

Do the Cowboys actually own their own stadium? Most teams don't.

Yes, the Cowboys' stadium is all their own. That's why it is called Cowboys Stadium, instead of "insert brand here" stadium, like most venues these days.