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[turdfurgeson]

Originally Posted by gehrig38

Another question, maybe not as much a question as I think I know the answer. If I do setup a JUCO league, there's no way to make it so players can only play 2 years and have to move on is there?
Like to have my JUCO kids have to go to college or sign....

Just set the age limits for the 2 years you want them to be there, say 18 low 19 high.

Not sure they would be eligible to not sign then go to the college one after that, but it should accomplish most of what you are looking for.

[Garrett67]

Originally Posted by turdfurgeson

Just set the age limits for the 2 years you want them to be there, say 18 low 19 high.

Not sure they would be eligible to not sign then go to the college one after that, but it should accomplish most of what you are looking for.

I assumed the age limit was just for when the players are created and not the limited after players are in game.

So in your example, the created player limit is 19 but they would still keep playing in the league after that.

No?

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by gehrig38

Another question, maybe not as much a question as I think I know the answer. If I do setup a JUCO league, there's no way to make it so players can only play 2 years and have to move on is there?
Like to have my JUCO kids have to go to college or sign....

You'd have to set it up as an older HS league or a younger College league. I don't think you can have both a HS moving on to JUCO and JUCO moving on to College. Setting the age range to 19-20 should give you close to what you're looking for.

[tigey75]

Gehrig38, I'm looking for the tab on here that says "Thanks for sticking it to the Yankees in '01" but I can't find it. I will never forget the look on Mariano's face. Priceless!

[RBLwebguy]

At what point do you set these feeder leagues up. I never bothered with them before and decided to add them in after my fictional league was created but there are no players on any of the teams? I must be missing something and where do you set the ages? Do players move from HS to College then to MLB?

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by RBLwebguy

At what point do you set these feeder leagues up. I never bothered with them before and decided to add them in after my fictional league was created but there are no players on any of the teams? I must be missing something and where do you set the ages? Do players move from HS to College then to MLB?

You can set them up after the league has been running (in the preseason), if you did not include them at league creation.

If you add them to a game already running, they won't have any players in them. You need to go the the function on the league setup page for each feeder league and select "Fill Teams with Fictional Players". Make sure the Created Players' Minimum and Maximum age are set the way you want on the Options screen of the League Setup for each Feeder League.

On the "Rules" Page in the League Setup for each feeder league is where you can change the age requirements.

Edit: In Previous Versions of OOTP, HS players who failed to sign a contract would often go on to college. Some people are reporting that they are not seeing that behavior in OOTP12, but I don't think Markus has changed anything.

[RBLwebguy]

Originally Posted by Questdog

You can set them up after the league has been running (in the preseason), if you did not include them at league creation.

If you add them to a game already running, they won't have any players in them. You need to go the the function on the league setup page for each feeder league and select "Fill Teams with Fictional Players". Make sure the Created Players' Minimum and Maximum age are set the way you want on the Options screen of the League Setup for each Feeder League.

On the "Rules" Page in the League Setup for each feeder league is where you can change the age requirements.

Thank you Questdog. This is why I stick to the text side of the game when I get involved with beta!

[turdfurgeson]

Originally Posted by Garrett67

I assumed the age limit was just for when the players are created and not the limited after players are in game.

So in your example, the created player limit is 19 but they would still keep playing in the league after that.

No?

Not quite. How I have done it in the past was to have the first year of operation have the age at creation set to say min 18/max19. This wouyld give a nice mix of players. Then set the age so both the min and max age at creation is just 18. You can set the max age for rosters to 19 and they will not play beyond that.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by gehrig38

I am debating on the year to start my league. I am assuming if I pick a year to base stats on I need to pick the next year as each season progresses? Or does the game move year to year on it's own?

The way it is set up now is that if you create a fictional league and decide to import the league totals for 1985, then the next season 1986 will import, regardless of what the in game year of your league is (and regardless of whether you want it too or not). You still have to hit the Auto-Calc button, though, as the game won't do this automatically in a fictional league. (Best time for this is on the day BEFORE Opening Day and Opening Day is too late as the button disappears until next preseason.)

Personally, I like my league stats to always look like ~1985 and currently there is no way to keep the stats you imported for 1985 to stay there forever (without my Fictional Auto-Calc Mod), but I'm trying to talk Markus into changing this functionality.

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by gehrig38

So I'll preface my post by saying I spent about 22 years playing the real thing, and have been a gamer my whole life, but not sports games for the most part (I was addicted to APBA as a kid).
I absolutely love this game and am impressed as hell as someone that now owns a game development company (38 Studios Frontpage | 38 Studios btw!) at the quality of the software this team has made.
That being said, I need some tips
I love fictional leagues, and on the hard drive I have being put into a new machine is my first and favorite league with OOTP 11, in season 20 something now, and it's a blast.
OOTP 12 has come out so while I wait, I have started a new league. Fictional, and need some help.
How do feeder leagues work?
I wanted to start my new league with max player age being mid 20's to allow all players a chance to play lengthy careers (Hated fictional leagues with 39 year old first year guys).
My issues are few, but I have questions.
In my June draft all my players are 17-19, no older, where did I mix that up?
I put 2 large HS and College Feeder leagues in after a few weeks into the season (after reading threads here!) and can't seem to get their schedules for this year to work, both seem to not want to start until next year.
My comments on this version, compared to 11.
Computer controlled teams have pitching staffs that are too small, many are 9, whereas I usually end up with 11, at least, sometimes 12 early in fictional team careers due to sucky starters.
I fire my personnel to make sure I hire the best of the best for fictional teams, and would LOVE a button to create a large amount of coaches/scouts etc., instead of having to make them 1 at a time. Since I'll create until I get real good people in every position.
I hate that my first day of a new league I usually have a sucky scout I cannot replace until after the draft, since if I fire him I go into the draft with OSA ratings only. I should have a few days to get my organization in shape before drafting.
Still can't seem to get the injury and trading pace to my liking (though it's early and 12 seems to be much more cautious and realistic about injuries and trades so far).

I know i have more but this is a really good game guys, well done.
Curt

This thread has been a wealth of knowledge, thanks Curt for opening this dialogue. I remember you being a High Heat fan years ago, I played High Heat myself. Good to see you come over to the OOTP family. Even though you and your bloody sock beat my Yanks back in '04.

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by Questdog

The way it is set up now is that if you create a fictional league and decide to import the league totals for 1985, then the next season 1986 will import, regardless of what the in game year of your league is (and regardless of whether you want it too or not). You still have to hit the Auto-Calc button, though, as the game won't do this automatically in a fictional league. (Best time for this is on the day BEFORE Opening Day and Opening Day is too late as the button disappears until next preseason.)

Personally, I like my league stats to always look like ~1985 and currently there is no way to keep the stats you imported for 1985 to stay there forever (without my Fictional Auto-Calc Mod), but I'm trying to talk Markus into changing this functionality.

Is there a reason why you prefer 1985 QD?

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Questdog

The way it is set up now is that if you create a fictional league and decide to import the league totals for 1985, then the next season 1986 will import, regardless of what the in game year of your league is (and regardless of whether you want it too or not). You still have to hit the Auto-Calc button, though, as the game won't do this automatically in a fictional league. (Best time for this is on the day BEFORE Opening Day and Opening Day is too late as the button disappears until next preseason.)

Personally, I like my league stats to always look like ~1985 and currently there is no way to keep the stats you imported for 1985 to stay there forever (without my Fictional Auto-Calc Mod), but I'm trying to talk Markus into changing this functionality.

Great minds think alike. 1985 was the year my Jays finally broke through in the AL East. It was also the year I went on a six games in six days road trip with friends. The icing on the cake was being at the clincher against the Yankees (I believe Gehrig38 summed up my feelings on this team earlier in the thread - no need for me to pile on here - I must admit though the Yankee fans that sat near us were class acts and stayed right to the end of the game offering congratulations after George Bell caught the final out and fell to his knees while high fiving Tony Fernandez, and they wished us well as we ran out onto the field), and Game 1 of the ALCS against KC. The series didn't turn out the way we wanted it to, but apparently KC was destined to win that year, and after years of getting stopped by the Yankees and then the Phillies, they finally broke through. Yes, I know it was a horrible call at exactly the wrong time by Denkinger, but that's baseball. That season is burned in my memory forever. It was a great year, and I think it will always be very vivid in my mind, even when my mind is fading down the road.

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Great minds think alike. 1985 was the year my Jays finally broke through in the AL East. It was also the year I went on a six games in six days road trip with friends. The icing on the cake was being at the clincher against the Yankees (I believe Gehrig38 summed up my feelings on this team earlier in the thread - no need for me to pile on here - I must admit though the Yankee fans that sat near us were class acts and stayed right to the end of the game offering congratulations after George Bell caught the final out and fell to his knees while high fiving Tony Fernandez, and they wished us well as we ran out onto the field), and Game 1 of the ALCS against KC. The series didn't turn out the way we wanted it to, but apparently KC was destined to win that year, and after years of getting stopped by the Yankees and then the Phillies, they finally broke through. Yes, I know it was a horrible call at exactly the wrong time by Denkinger, but that's baseball. That season is burned in my memory forever. It was a great year, and I think it will always be very vivid in my mind, even when my mind is fading down the road.

The 80's were a decade of frustration for us Yankee fans.

[md5423]

Would it be to late to add feeder leagues after I have played a few season? Does it have to be setup right when you setup the game? Will it still work the same?

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by md5423

Would it be to late to add feeder leagues after I have played a few season? Does it have to be setup right when you setup the game? Will it still work the same?

You can add feeder leagues at the start of each preseason.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by ashantewarrier

Is there a reason why you prefer 1985 QD?

Not exactly 1985, but actually an amalgamation of the early to mid 80s.

To me, that was the Golden Age of Baseball Statistics. You had a little of almost everything possible from an individual standpoint. Players giving .400 a scare, but .300 still meant something. Some guys nearing 50 homers, but 18 still meant you had plus power and seeing a home run live was special, cause it didn't happen everyday. Guys stealing 100 bases, pitchers winning 20, pitching 250 innings, closers saving 40.

Plus, it seemed like a time when a game was more than just a home run derby contest; it was a real clash of philosophies with teams built very differently (because that's what they wanted; not because the Yankees signed all the good players). You had the Red Sox and Milwaukee trying to pound everyone into submission, but you also had the Cardinals with lots of speed and defense and Jack Clark.

Plus, that's when I played and if I would have made the majors I would have been Dave Collins' twin brother.

1985 was also my first SERIOUS strat league, where we played for money using the 1984 cards and I still know more about that season than any other before or since. It was an 8 team league using only National League Players and I won the league with the Jacksonville Jaguars (yes I thought up that name first!).

My Lineup:
1. Tony Gwynn, rf
2. Ryne Sandberg, 2b
3. Jose Cruz, lf
4. Dale Murphy, cf
5. Len Matuszek/Mike Marshall, 1b
6. Bob Brenly, c
7. Terry Pendleton/Tim Wallach, 3b
8. Ozzie Smith, ss

Rotation:
1. Dwight Gooden
2. Mario Soto
3. Rick Sutcliffe (only NL stats - a monster)
4. Joaquin Andujar
5. Jose DeLeon/Steve Carlton

Bullpen/Bench
Alejandro Pena
Don Robinson
Ken Howell
Frank DiPino
Andy McGaffigan
Ivan DeJesus
Dan Gladden
Terry Kennedy
Sixto Lezcano

That's all I can remember off the top of my head 25 years later.

I wheeled and dealed like crazy for that team and it won the league going away (I forget how much money I won).

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by ashantewarrier

The 80's were a decade of frustration for us Yankee fans.

I don't want to "pour salt in the wounds", but I'm not sure you're qualified to use the word "frustration" when discussing the team you cheer for. The last decade in which your favourite team did not at least make the postseason was 1910-1919. You know the decade that began two years after the Cubs last won the World Series. I gonna go out on a limb here and say that you weren't around to witness the horror show back then. Call it a hunch.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Not exactly 1985, but actually an amalgamation of the early to mid 80s.

To me, that was the Golden Age of Baseball Statistics. You had a little of almost everything possible from an individual standpoint. Players giving .400 a scare, but .300 still meant something. Some guys nearing 50 homers, but 18 still meant you had plus power and seeing a home run live was special, cause it didn't happen everyday. Guys stealing 100 bases, pitchers winning 20, pitching 250 innings, closers saving 40.

Plus, it seemed like a time when a game was more than just a home run derby contest; it was a real clash of philosophies with teams built very differently (because that's what they wanted; not because the Yankees signed all the good players). You had the Red Sox and Milwaukee trying to pound everyone into submission, but you also had the Cardinals with lots of speed and defense and Jack Clark.

Plus, that's when I played and if I would have made the majors I would have been Dave Collins' twin brother.

1985 was also my first SERIOUS strat league, where we played for money using the 1984 cards and I still know more about that season than any other before or since. It was an 8 team league using only National League Players and I won the league with the Jacksonville Jaguars (yes I thought up that name first!).

My Lineup:
1. Tony Gwynn, rf
2. Ryne Sandberg, 2b
3. Jose Cruz, lf
4. Dale Murphy, cf
5. Len Matuszek/Mike Marshall, 1b
6. Bob Brenly, c
7. Terry Pendleton/Tim Wallach, 3b
8. Ozzie Smith, ss

Rotation:
1. Dwight Gooden
2. Mario Soto
3. Rick Sutcliffe (only NL stats - a monster)
4. Joaquin Andujar
5. Jose DeLeon/Steve Carlton

Bullpen/Bench
Alejandro Pena
Don Robinson
Ken Howell
Frank DiPino
Andy McGaffigan
Ivan DeJesus
Dan Gladden
Terry Kennedy
Sixto Lezcano

That's all I can remember off the top of my head 25 years later.

I wheeled and dealed like crazy for that team and it won the league going away (I forget how much money I won).

Whoa! Nice team there. Dave Collins was one of my favourite Jays ever and kicked butt for the 1984 Jays. He set the franchise record for SB that year, and it still stands. What he lacked in talent, he made up for by playing like his hair was on fire, and like every game was his last.

Re: Golden Age of Statistics. The stats just seemed more balanced then. There was something of everything. Whatever facet of baseball you enjoy in particular, there was somebody who excelled at it back then. However, I think we all look back wistfully at the baseball of our youth and slap the "Golden Age" label on it too readily. There's a golden age going on right now if you ask me, as the league wide numbers are closer to what they were then, then they have been since 1992. I couldn't be happier, as home run derby baseball bores the crap out of me.

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

I don't want to "pour salt in the wounds", but I'm not sure you're qualified to use the word "frustration" when discussing the team you cheer for. The last decade in which your favourite team did not at least make the postseason was 1910-1919. You know the decade that began two years after the Cubs last won the World Series. I gonna go out on a limb here and say that you weren't around to witness the horror show back then. Call it a hunch.

Hmmm.... You're right. I'm 46 years old and in my life time the Yanks have a few championships. I'll just be grateful and not complain...

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Not exactly 1985, but actually an amalgamation of the early to mid 80s.

To me, that was the Golden Age of Baseball Statistics. You had a little of almost everything possible from an individual standpoint. Players giving .400 a scare, but .300 still meant something. Some guys nearing 50 homers, but 18 still meant you had plus power and seeing a home run live was special, cause it didn't happen everyday. Guys stealing 100 bases, pitchers winning 20, pitching 250 innings, closers saving 40.

Plus, it seemed like a time when a game was more than just a home run derby contest; it was a real clash of philosophies with teams built very differently (because that's what they wanted; not because the Yankees signed all the good players). You had the Red Sox and Milwaukee trying to pound everyone into submission, but you also had the Cardinals with lots of speed and defense and Jack Clark.

Plus, that's when I played and if I would have made the majors I would have been Dave Collins' twin brother.

1985 was also my first SERIOUS strat league, where we played for money using the 1984 cards and I still know more about that season than any other before or since. It was an 8 team league using only National League Players and I won the league with the Jacksonville Jaguars (yes I thought up that name first!).

My Lineup:
1. Tony Gwynn, rf
2. Ryne Sandberg, 2b
3. Jose Cruz, lf
4. Dale Murphy, cf
5. Len Matuszek/Mike Marshall, 1b
6. Bob Brenly, c
7. Terry Pendleton/Tim Wallach, 3b
8. Ozzie Smith, ss

Rotation:
1. Dwight Gooden
2. Mario Soto
3. Rick Sutcliffe (only NL stats - a monster)
4. Joaquin Andujar
5. Jose DeLeon/Steve Carlton

Bullpen/Bench
Alejandro Pena
Don Robinson
Ken Howell
Frank DiPino
Andy McGaffigan
Ivan DeJesus
Dan Gladden
Terry Kennedy
Sixto Lezcano

That's all I can remember off the top of my head 25 years later.

I wheeled and dealed like crazy for that team and it won the league going away (I forget how much money I won).

I played a lot of Strat in the mid to late '80's. I served in the U.S. Navy back then and there was nothing else to do during those off hours out at sea other than play Strat Baseball. I was in a league with some of my fellow shipmates then.

Question: Do you also use the historical player-creation modifiers as well? I'm sure you do but just wanted to verify that you did.

Because of your comments, I am thinking of using a similar 80's setup for league stats/totals and for historical player-creation modifiers. I am none too thrilled with the inflated steroid era totals of the 90's and 2000's. I want stats to mean something and be a little more "pure."