Losing a starting pitcher to the Rule 5?

[chris686]

At the trade deadline, I made a trade of Wandy Rodriguez for David Price to free up some cap space for free agency.

When the off season began and the Rule 5 draft started, I didn't see anyone I wanted so I simmed it through and found out I lost him to a claim. He had been on an MLB roster all year.

I'm not exactly sure how the Rule 5 draft works, but I'm pretty sure a player on an MLB roster all year (And previous years) can't be claimed.

[hlywd61]

Nope they cannot.

[Le Grande Orange]

It doesn't matter if the player was on the roster all season long, all that matters is whether he's on the roster at the time of the Rule 5 draft. If he's not on the 40-man (secondary) roster when the draft is held, then he's eligible to be selected.

Could you check this player's transactions history to see if he was removed from the 40-man roster at some point?

[Faaip De Oiad]

60 day DL?

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Faaip De Oiad

60 day DL?

Yep and it's a flaw that has peeved me in the past big time.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by RchW

Yep and it's a flaw that has peeved me in the past big time.

Off-season roster handling still needs cleaning up. There should be no DL during the off-season and only the 40-man roster. Doing it any other way invites confusion and potential problems.

[Corsairs]

Actually, in OOTP 12, players on the 60-day DL aren't Rule 5-eligible. LGO is right that there shouldn't be a 60-day DL during the off-season, though. I'll submit a report on that subject.

[philliesphan26]

Originally Posted by RchW

Yep and it's a flaw that has peeved me in the past big time.

Yep. I've also been caught with guys who were DFA'd at the time of the draft and thus eligible to be claimed (recent FA signings put there by default and I forgot to move them), but that one is my own stupidity instead of a bug

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Corsairs

Actually, in OOTP 12, players on the 60-day DL aren't Rule 5-eligible. LGO is right that there shouldn't be a 60-day DL during the off-season, though. I'll submit a report on that subject.

Thanks for this. I'm playing out the playoffs in my solo v11 league and I have a guy on the 60-day DL. Do you think the conversion will catch that?

[Corsairs]

Originally Posted by RchW

Thanks for this. I'm playing out the playoffs in my solo v11 league and I have a guy on the 60-day DL. Do you think the conversion will catch that?

If you convert before the Rule 5 draft pool is released, then yes, I think you'll be okay.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by philliesphan26

Yep. I've also been caught with guys who were DFA'd at the time of the draft and thus eligible to be claimed (recent FA signings put there by default and I forgot to move them), but that one is my own stupidity instead of a bug

Well, in real life, there is a cutoff date after which players cannot be outrighted from the 40-man roster: three days before the Rule 5 draft. So from three days prior to the draft until the draft is concluded, a major league club cannot remove a player from the 40-man roster by outrighting him to the minors.

[philliesphan26]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Well, in real life, there is a cutoff date after which players cannot be outrighted from the 40-man roster: three days before the Rule 5 draft. So from three days prior to the draft until the draft is concluded, a major league club cannot remove a player from the 40-man roster by outrighting him to the minors.

Hmm. I didn't know this. Would be nice to include this in future versions of OOTP. But by default when I sign FAs, they are DFA'd and I have to move them manually. Sometimes I forget to put them on the 40 man roster and they get snatched up...

[CanadaCajanek21]

I have a reliever, Tony Pena, who is arb eligible. spent the whole year with me and is currently on the 25 man roster. However, on the arb screen, it shows a # next to his name, meaning he is eligible for rule 5. this is a stupid bug. if he's taken somehow, i will just go into commish mode and take him back.

[Biggio509]

Originally Posted by CanadaCajanek21

I have a reliever, Tony Pena, who is arb eligible. spent the whole year with me and is currently on the 25 man roster. However, on the arb screen, it shows a # next to his name, meaning he is eligible for rule 5. this is a stupid bug. if he's taken somehow, i will just go into commish mode and take him back.

Are you sure that is not * instead of # by the guy's name. The arb screen should not show if a guy is rule 5 eligible only the transaction screen. * means super 2 eligible.

[Biggio509]

Here is a screenshot from the OOTP 11 manual and this should not have changed the only symbol should be for super 2s. There should not be pounds. Does the guy qualify for super 2, if so the bug may be a # showing up instead of a *.

[hefalumps]

Gentlemen...

I'm fairly certain that the # sign on the player arbitration screen means that you currently have a contract extension offer pending for that arbitration eligible player. To test, right-click on one of them, offer them a contract, and once you submit the offer you should see a # by their name the next time you go to that screen.

I agree that it is a bit confusing - but I don't think any player's Rule 5 status gets reflected on this screen... only on the Transactions screen. If you go to your Team Transactions screen and see a # by Pena's name, then you might have a problem. But if he's on the 25-man roster he most certainly shouldn't be.

[udbacker58]

Originally Posted by CanadaCajanek21

I have a reliever, Tony Pena, who is arb eligible. spent the whole year with me and is currently on the 25 man roster. However, on the arb screen, it shows a # next to his name, meaning he is eligible for rule 5. this is a stupid bug. if he's taken somehow, i will just go into commish mode and take him back.

I think an # on the arb screen means you have a contract offer out to the guy