ML Roster thread

[akw4572]

Are a lot of the contract issues because players have contracts that they had from 2010?

[Dr. dru]

Originally Posted by akw4572

Are a lot of the contract issues because players have contracts that they had from 2010?

This looks to be part of the problem. I think we are just going to have to deal with the contract problems unless you want to spend hours upon house edditing them.

[slapnut38]

I would like to point out that Felix Hernadez ratings are low. He is a workhorse who is only 24.

Felix Hernadez in game ratings: stuff 8- mov 8-control 6
His last 2 seasons stats are:
2009-19-5 with a 2.49 era while pitching 238.2 ip
2010 13-12 with a 2.27 era while pitching 249.2 ip

Now lets compare with other pitchers in the game.

Tim Lincecum in game ratings: stuff 10- mov 9-control 6
His last 2 seasons stats are:
2009-15-7 with a 2.48 era while pitching 225.1 ip
2010 16-10 with a 3.43 era while pitching 212.1 ip

Roy Halladay in game ratings: stuff 7- mov 8-control 9
His last 2 seasons stats are:
2009-17-10 with a 2.79 era while pitching 239 ip
2010 21-10 with a 2.44 era while pitching 250.2 ip

Zack Grinke in game ratings: stuff 8- mov 8-control 8
His last 2 seasons stats are:
2009-16-8 with a 2.16 era while pitching 226.1 ip
2010 10-14 with a 4.17 era while pitching 220. ip


Stephen Stratsburg in game ratings: stuff 9- mov 7-control 7
His last 2 seasons stats are:
2010 5-3 with a 2.91 era while pitching 68 ip


Thats just the guys the game has ranked ahead of him. Im not showing potential ratings either, but those are out of whack also. Felix is only 24 and still hasnt hit his full potential in real life. Just in case anybody tries to bring up Felix's record you have to remember he has played on a couple of the worst hitting teams in mlb (HISTORY). I just feel Felix should have better ratings coming off back to back Cy Young type seasons.

[CubbyFan23]

I'm sure there are a lot of people who aren't fans of me, but as part of my atonement for not releasing 2011 rosters for OOTP11 (), I'll give editing these a shot in terms of contracts and any other things I see out of the box. Haven't downloaded yet, but am going to give it a shot tonight.

I'd also like to encourage everyone to give the roster makers a bit of a break - it can be tough to grab every little detail in a roster set, especially when you're under the gun for release. I don't have any behind the scenes insight, but I'm sure the guys put in a TON of work. No problem pointing out errors, but try to be respectful of the time that went into it.

[Overkill]

I believe somebody else mentioned that any contract involving option years seems to be messed up. So far, I have gone through all 14 AL teams editing contracts and can say that is accurate. In my editing, I have also found 5 ML players with ratings worthy of A ball. In addition to my post of Casey Janssen from earlier, you can add to the list:
Matt Albers
Glen Perkins
David Purcey
Philip Humber

There are also a few players who seem to have their previous contract listed such as Scott Downs of the Angels.

Position players seem to be acceptable. I should also note that Chris Sale is listed as a starter with a stamina rating of 8 out of 10.

I'll post more guys like the above when I get to the NL.

[iBrandon]

Are these rosters based off of last years stats?

[mikestack]

Some of these have been covered, but I've gone over the Mets in some detail (being a Mets fan and all), here's what I've found. Word of warning, some of my commentary may be slightly biased, but I'll attempt to back with facts where possible.

A little long of a post too, but I wanted to get everything I saw out there.

R.A. Dickey: Both PECOTA (from Baseball Prospectus) and ZiPS (Baseball Think Factory) are higher on Dickey this year, with the former suggesting a 3.92 ERA and the latter a 3.86, OOTP projects a 4.40. Bumping up his knuckleball rating easily gets this in the right area. Dickey has been highly regarded as a hitter and sacrifice bunter, though I don't have anything more than limited sample sets to back that up. His ratings particularly in bunting seem low. His last year is a team option with a 300k buyout (per Cot's).

Mike Pelfrey is missing his splitter, but both PECOTA and ZiPS aren't as high on him as OOTP is, I think maybe his movement's way too high.

Juan Urbina belongs in rookie ball, but the game has his actual ratings at his potential (the potentials look about right-- projections are all over the map, but most think he's rotation material).

Taylor Buchholz is loved more by PECOTA (3.82 ERA) and ZiPS (3.65 ERA) than OOTP (4.38 ERA).

DJ Carrasco's stamina seems a little low-- he's started successfully in the farm system and has been the long man in the majors (and had at least one year as a starter). PECOTA and ZiPS are split on him, OOTP is in the middle of them, hard to argue that.

OOTP is low on Bobby Parnell-- 4.50 ERA and around 7 K/9, while PECOTA agrees, ZiPS thinks he's much better (3.76 ERA). ZiPS does interestingly match right about where OOTP's potential rating puts him. I think his velocity might be a bit low-- fangraphs PitchFX charts him the high 90s rather than mid-90s and he's touched 100 several times.

Tobi Stoner is long gone from the 40 man roster.

Francisco's Rodriguez's option is normalizable right now-- it was a two year stats option, but this year it's 55 games finished it vests, otherwise it's a $3.5M option. His 2010 stats should be for the Mets, not for the Angels. His ratings numbers look about right.

I think Ike Davis' potential ratings look about right, but his current numbers look way too low-- it's got him performing well below where he was last year-- OOTP says .233/.307/.395 with 19 HR, ZiPS says .257/.342/.447 with 22 home runs. PECOTA is actually pretty consistent with OOTP,.254/.336/.407 with 17 HR, but given the absolute tear Davis was on before he hit the DL (.302/.383.543), it's hard to see his numbers sinking that low.

Daniel Murphy's defensive numbers are all messed up-- he was a third baseman by trade who the Mets moved to left field, then to first, and now to second. His experience should reflect this, swapping his 2B and 3B experience and removing the SS experience is probably the right way to go. I think his infield range and arm are backwards too-- he's barely adequate at second, but he's got a decent arm.



Lucas Duda's potentials seem a touch low, Baseball Prospectus says he's "a potential offensive force who works the count well, waits for pitches.. displays plus raw power.. good enough hitter to provide some average as well". Baseball America says "discerning eye... doesn't strike out much", though they keep his ceiling at 20HR. I think a bump up on Avoid K's (and maybe Power) might be valid for him.

Carlos Beltran's right field experience is way high, dude just started playing it in Spring Training.

Johan Santana's injury is an anterior capsule tear of the shoulder, I couldn't find anything like this in the injury selection, though I THINK it's similar to/the same thing as a torn rotator cuff? His injury time, much to my sadness, is way too low, most estimates suggest All Star break, which would be 110-ish days instead of 40. His contract is a vesting one, but it's got complicated terms on the last year per Cot's, there's a $5.5M buyout.

Chris Capuano's rating's are way low, he's been pitching fairly successfully in the majors, ZiPS likes him to a 4.15 ERA, PECOTA says 4.27, OOTP says 5.73.

My eyes tell me Pedro Beato's underrated in OOTP, but I've no data. His stamina is definitely way too high, this is not a starter.

Jason Isringhausen should be a Met on a league minimum contract-- no one projected him but he's clearly still got more left in the tank. I think his control number is a bit low as his location doesn't seem to have degenerated that much.

Justin Turner seems a bit better than his ratings would suggest in OOTP. PECOTA and ZiPS both place him around .260/.320/.370, OOTP at .247/.307/.347. He's looked better than that in general but it's still early.

Two AAA outfielders, Fernando Martinez and Kirk Nieuwenhuis scout well. BA says Niewenhuis has "5 average to tick-below average tools" and suggests .270/15 HR, BP is about the same. Former teenage hitting machine Martinez still has a bat scouts like, BP: "strong.. plenty of bat speed... raw power is above average".

I don't really know what to make of the Dillon Gee phenomena, but he's holding his own in the majors, his ratings should probably at least view him as a back of the rotation guy now since he's put up ROY conversation numbers thus far. Regression is likely, but his current ratings look far too low.

I have no idea what happened to Ronny Paulino, but I suspect his OOTP11 numbers are correct-- he's a solid if unspectacular catcher.

Jennry Mejia looks badly underrated currently-- while his potentials look spot on, this is a kid who was relatively successful in the majors last year as a 20 year old, pitching to a 4.62 ERA as a reliever, numbers OOTP would never give him based on his current ratings. Speaking of underrated, Matt Harvey, the #7 overall pick in 2011, looks to be back of the rotation fodder in OOTP but is listed as front of the rotation material by BA and BP, the latter says, "if he reaches his potential, he'll definitely deliver ERA and strikeouts". Also, given that he's dominating High A ball this year, it looks like his actual ratings are low as well. Also a bit unloved is Jeurys Familia, who dominated in St. Lucie and who has been clocked in mid-90s. I haven't seen much in the way of projection on him yet, but he certainly seems better than a AA ceiling, which is where he is now.

A few guys who are somewhat underrated, particularly in their current ratings-- Wilfredo Tovar (starting in low A, but in rookie ball in OOTP), Jefry Marte (hitting well in high A, but in short season A in OOTP), Robert Carson (pitching somewhat limply in AA, but in short season A in OOTP), Cory Vaughn (projected to low average high power in the real world, low/low in OOTP), Wilmer Flores (projections look right, but he's looking like a solid fit for high A this year whereas OOTP sees him as low A), Ardelin Rodriguez (both BA and BP see him as potentially a 30 HR guy).

[CubbyFan23]

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[Dr. dru]

The service time for a good portion of the players are off. For the Reds at least it looks like Votto, Bailey, Wood, are off by quite a bit. And there are others that are off as well but not quite as bad.

All of these roster issues are only disapointing because the newsletter said that the rosters were very good and the "best ever." The rosters were more accuate for OOTP 11 demo I downloaded a few months ago.

It just seems like these roster's were rushed out. I think a lot of people including myself would have prefered a few less features and better roster sets.

[Jay Elias]

I will be working on the set for the next couple days anyways, Cubby, so when you get the game, I could send my file in progress to you. Hopefully I will at least have sorted most of the contract issues out by then.

[mikestack]

Wally Backman is the manager in AA Binghamton, not Tim Teufel (who is listed in both AAA Buffalo and AA).

I sort of wish there was a "Get Thrown Out of Games" rating on managers...

[Dr. dru]

Originally Posted by Jay Elias

I will be working on the set for the next couple days anyways, Cubby, so when you get the game, I could send my file in progress to you. Hopefully I will at least have sorted most of the contract issues out by then.

I'm guessing that if you already started a game, an updated roster patch won't help is that correct?

[Jay Elias]

Originally Posted by Dr. dru

I'm guessing that if you already started a game, an updated roster patch won't help is that correct?

Yes, that's right. An updated roster set, whether in the patch or downloaded, would be a new game starting from the offseason.

That said, you can save any game you edit as a quickstart, much like the Majors quickstart that is the roster set the game comes with. Then you can start as many games as you like with the changes you've made to the rosters.

[RBLwebguy]

I know first hand what a large undertaking this is. Don't knock it until you try it. Post your comments here and things will be edited. Ratings will also be somewhat subjective so not every player will meet your standards, and I think the set was based on projections but don't quote me on that.

[DBR]

Javier Vazquez in the game has a 3 year 11.5 mil per year contract. He just signed a one year deal this winter for 7 mil.

[GrantDawg]

One thing that is missing is the players minor's history which was in last years game. Was that added in a later roster set? It might have helped in setting these guys up closer to the level they should be at.

[ambill10]

I have completed my run through of the NL Central for contract issues. I can't decide if I'm going to edit everything or hold out for a roster set soon, what are others planning to do?

St. Louis Cardinals:

• Full NTC: Holliday, Lohse, Berkman, Pujols (10/5), Carpenter (10/5)
• Limited NTC: None
• Pujols gets $200K for MVP and $25K for ASG
• Holliday gets $200K for MVP and $25K for ASG and 2017 is club option with $1M buyout
• Carpenter 2012 is club option with $1M buyout
• Westbrook 2013 is mutual option with $1M buyout if club declines
• Wainwright 2012 + 2013 are joint team option with no buyout
• Molina 2012 is club option with $750K buyout
• Cox (including bonus payout over time) should be 2010: $600K, 2011: 600K, 2012: $750K, 2013: $850K

Chicago Cubs:

• Full NTC: Soriano, Zambrano, Samardzija
• Limited NTC: None
• Soriano gets $300K for MVP
• Zambrano gets $75K for ASG and 2013 is vesting player option for CYA win in 2011 or top four in 2012
• Ramirez 2012 is club option with $2M buyout
• Dempster 2012 is player option
• Samardzija earned $3M in 2010, not sure about 2011, 2012 and 2013 are club options for $6.5M combined

Cincinnati Reds:

• Full NTC: Rolen
• Limited NTC: Bruce, Cordero
• Cordero 2012 is club option with $1M buyout
• Dontrelle Willis is on a minor league contract
• Phillips 2012 is club option with $1M buyout
• Chapman 2015 is player option
• Cueto 2015 is club option with $800K buyout
• Bruce 2017 is club option with $1M buyout
• Cairo signed for 2011 and 2012 for $1M each, not signed for 2013
• Yasmani Grandal has MLB contract for 2010-2013, amount unknown

Houston Astros:

• Full NTC: None
• Limited NTC: None
• Wandy Rodriguez 2014 is club option with $2.5M buyout
• Myers 2013 is club option with $3M buyout

Milwaukee Brewers:

• Full NTC: Braun, Gallargo
• Limited NTC: Wolf, Hart
• Wolf 2013 is club option with $1.5M buyout
• Weeks 2015 is vesting club option based on PA
• Betancourt 2012 is club option with $2M buyout
• Gallardo 2011 is year two of his contract, not year one, and 2015 is club option with $600K buyout
• Saito gets appearance bonuses which simplify to about $150K per for 20, 30, 40, 50, 60
• Note: Braun signed an extension after Opening Day

Pittsburgh Pirates:

• Full NTC: None
• Limited NTC: None
• Snyder 2012 is club option with $750K buyout
• Maholm 2012 is club option with $750K buyout
• Doumit 2012 + 2013 are joint option with $500K buyout
• Alvarez 2012 + 2013 are club options (no buyout)

Hopefully this is helpful. I'm going to spend some time going into my Cardinals organization roster in depth but might take a break from that to look at service time issues in the NL Central tonight.

Definitely need a lot of work on the rosters, but I respect the amount of time that people put into these. As long as the contracts and service time get fixed the ratings can be edited to personal preference.

[Dr. dru]

Originally Posted by ambill10

I have completed my run through of the NL Central for contract issues. I can't decide if I'm going to edit everything or hold out for a roster set soon, what are others planning to do?

St. Louis Cardinals:

• Full NTC: Holliday, Lohse, Berkman, Pujols (10/5), Carpenter (10/5)
• Limited NTC: None
• Pujols gets $200K for MVP and $25K for ASG
• Holliday gets $200K for MVP and $25K for ASG and 2017 is club option with $1M buyout
• Carpenter 2012 is club option with $1M buyout
• Westbrook 2013 is mutual option with $1M buyout if club declines
• Wainwright 2012 + 2013 are joint team option with no buyout
• Molina 2012 is club option with $750K buyout
• Cox (including bonus payout over time) should be 2010: $600K, 2011: 600K, 2012: $750K, 2013: $850K

Chicago Cubs:

• Full NTC: Soriano, Zambrano, Samardzija
• Limited NTC: None
• Soriano gets $300K for MVP
• Zambrano gets $75K for ASG and 2013 is vesting player option for CYA win in 2011 or top four in 2012
• Ramirez 2012 is club option with $2M buyout
• Dempster 2012 is player option
• Samardzija earned $3M in 2010, not sure about 2011, 2012 and 2013 are club options for $6.5M combined

Cincinnati Reds:

• Full NTC: Rolen
• Limited NTC: Bruce, Cordero
• Cordero 2012 is club option with $1M buyout
• Dontrelle Willis is on a minor league contract
• Phillips 2012 is club option with $1M buyout
• Chapman 2015 is player option
• Cueto 2015 is club option with $800K buyout
• Bruce 2017 is club option with $1M buyout
• Cairo signed for 2011 and 2012 for $1M each, not signed for 2013
• Yasmani Grandal has MLB contract for 2010-2013, amount unknown

Houston Astros:

• Full NTC: None
• Limited NTC: None
• Wandy Rodriguez 2014 is club option with $2.5M buyout
• Myers 2013 is club option with $3M buyout

Milwaukee Brewers:

• Full NTC: Braun, Gallargo
• Limited NTC: Wolf, Hart
• Wolf 2013 is club option with $1.5M buyout
• Weeks 2015 is vesting club option based on PA
• Betancourt 2012 is club option with $2M buyout
• Gallardo 2011 is year two of his contract, not year one, and 2015 is club option with $600K buyout
• Saito gets appearance bonuses which simplify to about $150K per for 20, 30, 40, 50, 60
• Note: Braun signed an extension after Opening Day

Pittsburgh Pirates:

• Full NTC: None
• Limited NTC: None
• Snyder 2012 is club option with $750K buyout
• Maholm 2012 is club option with $750K buyout
• Doumit 2012 + 2013 are joint option with $500K buyout
• Alvarez 2012 + 2013 are club options (no buyout)

Hopefully this is helpful. I'm going to spend some time going into my Cardinals organization roster in depth but might take a break from that to look at service time issues in the NL Central tonight.

Definitely need a lot of work on the rosters, but I respect the amount of time that people put into these. As long as the contracts and service time get fixed the ratings can be edited to personal preference.

Thanks, but also for the Reds: Hermida is on a minor league contract, and I feel like some of the players have their service time wrong.

[Doc_Brown]

Originally Posted by ambill10

Definitely need a lot of work on the rosters, but I respect the amount of time that people put into these. As long as the contracts and service time get fixed the ratings can be edited to personal preference.

Agree with what you said, can you recommend a good site(s) for contracts/playing time?

[jcalhoun7]

Aaron Harang on the Padres has a 1-year 12.8 Mil contract in game

irl it's he "Signed a one-year, $3.5 million deal with a mutual option for 2012" (Aaron Harang - San Diego Padres - 2011 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com)