Baseballs new proposed format

captkirk685 · 06-18-2011, 10:19 PM

Ok I haven't played this game for a couple years, I bought last years version but never tried to set my leagues up with the new proposed format of two 15 team leagues. Now I know we can setup the leagues this way but is it possible to have 4 wildcards like they are thinking about doing? I tried it with the 2008 version but it only allowed 1 wildcard. I tried to install last years version but my serial number does not work for some reason, I emailed support but still no reply.

nibiyabi · 06-18-2011, 10:58 PM

OOTP 11 actually did not let me do this. I got an error message saying that all subleagues must have an even number of teams. I don't know if OOTP 12 will allow it.

captkirk685 · 06-18-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nibiyabi

OOTP 11 actually did not let me do this. I got an error message saying that all subleagues must have an even number of teams. I don't know if OOTP 12 will allow it.

Maybe this is something Markus can add later in a patch, in all fairness they just now started talking about this new format so I am sure Markus wasn't too worried about letting two leagues working with odd number of teams and thats understandable.

Carplos · 06-19-2011, 12:19 AM

The reason you need an even number of teams is more due to the way the scheduler in the game works. You can easily swap a team from the other league after creation, but you'll need a custom schedule.

walt526 · 06-19-2011, 01:05 AM

I'd actually be happy if Markus just released a patch that changed the error message to something like:

"Considering the division of 30 teams into 2 leagues with 15 teams each is evidence of dementia (hint, hint, Mr Selig)."

The Wolf · 06-19-2011, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by walt526

"Considering the division of 30 teams into 2 leagues with 15 teams each is evidence of dementia (hint, hint, Mr Selig)."

IMO there's been lots of evidence of that.

captkirk685 · 06-19-2011, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

IMO there's been lots of evidence of that.

I really hope they don't mess with it, I like it the way it is.

risp2out · 06-19-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nibiyabi

OOTP 11 actually did not let me do this. I got an error message saying that all subleagues must have an even number of teams. I don't know if OOTP 12 will allow it.

Someone more "senior" correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you can do this in 11 by setting up the game with leagues of 14 and 16. Once the game has started, go to game setup and use the reconfigure button to create subleagues of 15 and 15. The catch at that point is that you must have a customized schedules. Dunno' if anyone's made those schedules, but you could check the mods forums.

oman19 · 06-19-2011, 01:08 PM

Here are 30 schedules for the 15/15 format that I use. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-schedule.html

Only catch is that it rotates interleague play like the NFL does by playing every other division in the other league once every 3 years.

The Wolf · 06-19-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by captkirk685

I really hope they don't mess with it, I like it the way it is.

Ever notice that baseball fans have pretty much always felt this way about everything?

professor ape · 06-19-2011, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by captkirk685

I really hope they don't mess with it, I like it the way it is.

Are you a fan of an NL Central team? It is not fair to those teams that they are stuck in the only six-team division while the AL West is only four teams.

As LGO pointed out, having 15 teams per league with at least one interleague series going at all times does not mean an increase in interleague games. You could actually have a slight reduction in the total number of interleague games. It means that you would have less times when everyone is playing interleague games simultaneously. You could easily set it up where at the end of the season the interleague games would be between teams with weak records the previous season to make it less likely that they would involve teams fighting for playoff spots.

Pete Grassi · 06-19-2011, 04:24 PM

Ape is correct. You would have 162 interleague games (or however many games the schedule will be) since you will have to have 1 interleague game every day. I am all for this new realignment, it will ensure the top 5 teams in each league make the playoffs unlike the current setup (see the 2008 National League). Everyone plays a balanced schedule and the #1 seed has an advantage in that it can set up its pitching rotation where the 4 and 5 seeds cant.

I cant say enough good things about this new set up.

Le Grande Orange · 06-19-2011, 04:36 PM

While the drawback to a 5-5-5 setup may be at least one interleague series going on throughout the season, the benefit is a much improved and consistent schedule. Moreover, interleague play could be rotated on a proper basis, with each club in a league playing every club in the other league at least once every three years. Contrast that to how interleague play is handled now due to the differences in structures between the leagues; you've got some clubs which have played each other a huge number of times and other matchups which have barely occurred.

professor ape · 06-19-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Grassi

Ape is correct. You would have 162 interleague games (or however many games the schedule will be) since you will have to have 1 interleague game every day. I am all for this new realignment, it will ensure the top 5 teams in each league make the playoffs unlike the current setup (see the 2008 National League). Everyone plays a balanced schedule and the #1 seed has an advantage in that it can set up its pitching rotation where the 4 and 5 seeds cant.

I cant say enough good things about this new set up.

The only thing that I would add is that the wildcards should be a one game play-in. I keep hearing people say that a 162 game season should not come down to one game. The bottom line is that it won't come down to one game if you win your division. The top two non-division winners are getting the opportunity to make it into the playoffs. They have one game to get in if they failed to win their division.

The one game play-in has a number of positive effects:

- It makes winning the division even more important
- It gives baseball two guaranteed elimination games to start the playoffs.
- The division winners don't get stuck waiting around for a couple of three or (UGH!) five game series to wrap up.
- In the same light, it doesn't significantly lengthen the playoffs.
- It forces the wild card teams to use their best pitchers in the play-in game. This gives an even bigger advantage to the top team in the league who gets to face the winner.

RchW · 06-19-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Carplos

The reason you need an even number of teams is more due to the way the scheduler in the game works. You can easily swap a team from the other league after creation, but you'll need a custom schedule.

Check the mods section for schedules. There are quite a few.

Remember that interleague play must be allowed for schedule importation to work.

captkirk685 · 06-19-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by professor ape

Are you a fan of an NL Central team? It is not fair to those teams that they are stuck in the only six-team division while the AL West is only four teams.

As LGO pointed out, having 15 teams per league with at least one interleague series going at all times does not mean an increase in interleague games. You could actually have a slight reduction in the total number of interleague games. It means that you would have less times when everyone is playing interleague games simultaneously. You could easily set it up where at the end of the season the interleague games would be between teams with weak records the previous season to make it less likely that they would involve teams fighting for playoff spots.

Funny that you ask, I am a Reds fan so the answer to your question is yes. I guess maybe thats why I don't want them to mess with it. I guess I can understand your point about the 6 team divisions. Having two 15 team leagues does guarantee that the top 5 teams do make the playoffs which is a big positive in my book.

maxxavier · 06-19-2011, 05:40 PM

wanna make more money MLB? and make MORE fans HAPPY???? Give a fsanchise back to montreal and add another team and split the leagues into 4 even numbered divisions. Montreal got raped by the MLB and is owed this. Also, what;s the point of realignment without expansion? dumb dumb dumb dumb...DUMB!

professor ape · 06-19-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by captkirk685

Funny that you ask, I am a Reds fan so the answer to your question is yes. I guess maybe thats why I don't want them to mess with it. I guess I can understand your point about the 6 team divisions. Having two 15 team leagues does guarantee that the top 5 teams do make the playoffs which is a big positive in my book.

As a Cubs fan, I'm confused by your response. NL Central teams and their fans are the first people who should want this reallignment to happen.

Also, the 15 team leagues with two wild cards per league make it much more likely that the top five teams from each league will make the playoffs but you could still have a weak division where the winner's record is not in the top five for the league. The only way to ensure that you get the top five is to eliminate divisions entirely.

pucku33 · 06-19-2011, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by professor ape

As a Cubs fan, I'm confused by your response. NL Central teams and their fans are the first people who should want this reallignment to happen.

Also, the 15 team leagues with two wild cards per league make it much more likely that the top five teams from each league will make the playoffs but you could still have a weak division where the winner's record is not in the top five for the league. The only way to ensure that you get the top five is to eliminate divisions entirely.

I would be happy to have my team in the NL Central. getting to play the astros and cubs more every year is an advantage not a handicap!

professor ape · 06-19-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pucku33

I would be happy to have my team in the NL Central. getting to play the astros and cubs more every year is an advantage not a handicap!

But thinking long term you have to look at the odds based on the number of teams. In football right now the NFC West is a laughing stock but in the mid-late 90s you wouldn't have wanted to be paired up with the 49ers and the Rams.

Having to beat five teams to win the division is unfair when everyone else only has to beat four (or three) teams.

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06-18-2011, 10:19 PM	#1
captkirk685 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 124	Baseballs new proposed format Ok I haven't played this game for a couple years, I bought last years version but never tried to set my leagues up with the new proposed format of two 15 team leagues. Now I know we can setup the leagues this way but is it possible to have 4 wildcards like they are thinking about doing? I tried it with the 2008 version but it only allowed 1 wildcard. I tried to install last years version but my serial number does not work for some reason, I emailed support but still no reply.

06-18-2011, 10:58 PM	#2
nibiyabi Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 18	OOTP 11 actually did not let me do this. I got an error message saying that all subleagues must have an even number of teams. I don't know if OOTP 12 will allow it.

06-19-2011, 12:19 AM	#4
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,901 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	The reason you need an even number of teams is more due to the way the scheduler in the game works. You can easily swap a team from the other league after creation, but you'll need a custom schedule.

06-19-2011, 01:05 AM	#5
walt526 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 28	I'd actually be happy if Markus just released a patch that changed the error message to something like: "Considering the division of 30 teams into 2 leagues with 15 teams each is evidence of dementia (hint, hint, Mr Selig)."

06-19-2011, 04:24 PM	#12
Pete Grassi Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 386	Ape is correct. You would have 162 interleague games (or however many games the schedule will be) since you will have to have 1 interleague game every day. I am all for this new realignment, it will ensure the top 5 teams in each league make the playoffs unlike the current setup (see the 2008 National League). Everyone plays a balanced schedule and the #1 seed has an advantage in that it can set up its pitching rotation where the 4 and 5 seeds cant. I cant say enough good things about this new set up.

06-19-2011, 04:36 PM	#13
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	While the drawback to a 5-5-5 setup may be at least one interleague series going on throughout the season, the benefit is a much improved and consistent schedule. Moreover, interleague play could be rotated on a proper basis, with each club in a league playing every club in the other league at least once every three years. Contrast that to how interleague play is handled now due to the differences in structures between the leagues; you've got some clubs which have played each other a huge number of times and other matchups which have barely occurred.