Turnover in a League

Dean Gordon · 05-27-2003, 12:54 PM

A question for other commishes: what is the usual turnover of ownership in your league?

I have found that 1-2 franchises per year seem to be the norm, and by season 5, 6, or 7, it increases a bit as some original owners pack it up because they dont want to face the long prospect of rebuilding....

Anyone else finding similar turnovers?

Dean
Commish - GMC, EBL, NABL

Cooleyvol · 05-27-2003, 01:26 PM

I don't remember it ever increasing with age of league.........

sporr · 05-27-2003, 01:41 PM

We've had our fair share of turnover, especially early on, but now we have about 1 per season or so which seems pretty normal. I think you'll find turnover is less in historical or fictional leagues due to the types of people interested in those.

treedom · 05-27-2003, 01:43 PM

the LBA hasn't hit 5 yet...but we're in our 4th and i've noticed a decrease in turnover every season...we haven't had a new owner since before our 3rd, IIRC...

chrisj · 05-27-2003, 02:08 PM

With my league I had high turnover the first few years... owners joined, didn't win or just lost interest and left. In our 5th year now I find there is fairly little turnover as most owners have been around for a couple seasons and have become "attached" to their players so to speak.

Matteo · 05-27-2003, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
We've had our fair share of turnover, especially early on, but now we have about 1 per season or so which seems pretty normal. I think you'll find turnover is less in historical or fictional leagues due to the types of people interested in those.

I agree with this statement. People join "real life roster" leagues for a reason, and after a while those leagues are transformed to a fictional one because new, unknown talent flows in. GMs tend to lose interest because they cannot identify with those players anymore, since they have never seen them on TV.

LivnLegend · 05-27-2003, 02:52 PM

We are extremely fortunate in the USBA, having but 1 or 2 new owners in the last few seasons. Much of the original crew is still around and other than the first season when 3 or 4 owners were replaced, things are rock solid tight.

I hate to guess what "normal" turnover is. I am in online leagues that have had rocky transitions where 4-5 teams may open in a given season but have no openings the next.

LivnLegend · 05-27-2003, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
I think you'll find turnover is less in historical or fictional leagues due to the types of people interested in those.

I have always stated that and for one additional reason. I know this is extremely general but many of the younger gamers out there are more apt to join real roster leagues. These younger folk are more susceptible to changes in their life (school schedule, mom taking away computer time, new girlfriend, no money to fix computer, etc...) that may prohibit them from continuing in a league. Us old guys who have predictable schedules and routines, are often able to stick with the commitment longer.

sporr · 05-27-2003, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Matteo
I agree with this statement. People join "real life roster" leagues for a reason, and after a while those leagues are transformed to a fictional one because new, unknown talent flows in. GMs tend to lose interest because they cannot identify with those players anymore, since they have never seen them on TV.

That is a challenge for modern-era leagues. If you can do it right with stories, pics, etc. I don't think it has to turn people off though when the transition happens as more and more real world players retire.

UKSubs · 05-27-2003, 03:41 PM

Turnover not only depends on the league, but on the people who run the league. I think a decent amount of turnover is good for a league, since you get fresh faces who add different things to a league. Because of this, I'm more likely to actively replace someone who isn'tinterested anymore, whereas a lot of leagues will let a guy stay until they leave on their own terms.

The 4CBA has turned over 5 teams since starting its fifth season, which is fine with me, since we added some excellent new owners. The old owners will be missed, but one part of running a league is knowing that people leave for all sorts of reasons at all sorts of times.

Dean Gordon · 05-27-2003, 04:14 PM

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I don't remember it ever increasing with age of league.........

long-term burnout, disinterest, etc., are all factors in why an owner who started the league leaves by season 5,6, or 7...

the team he drafted starts to suck, age or inuries take their toll, etc., and they just dont want to face the long-term challange of rebuilding...

other factors include an increased workload or ourside influences that cut into their baseball time which, if their team were on top, wouldnt matter, but if the team is in rebuild mode or losing, means a quick jettison...

LedgerSko · 05-27-2003, 04:53 PM

I think once a league makes it past the 3rd season its pretty set, but then it might be hard to get owners interested in a real team league in 2009. So in either form a good league will become a fictional one anyway.

frozenrope9190 · 05-28-2003, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Dean Gordon
long-term burnout, disinterest, etc., are all factors in why an owner who started the league leaves by season 5,6, or 7...

the team he drafted starts to suck, age or inuries take their toll, etc., and they just dont want to face the long-term challange of rebuilding...

other factors include an increased workload or ourside influences that cut into their baseball time which, if their team were on top, wouldnt matter, but if the team is in rebuild mode or losing, means a quick jettison...

I dunno. I've noticed that the longer the league goes, the more stable the owners of that league become, since they have so much vested in it. I find that turnover decreases as the league matures.

PineTar · 05-28-2003, 04:29 PM

Much to your chagrin I imagine.

Dean Gordon · 05-28-2003, 04:40 PM

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I dunno. I've noticed that the longer the league goes, the more stable the owners of that league become, since they have so much vested in it. I find that turnover decreases as the league matures.

Up to a point. You will always have a core 1/3 of the league that were there at the beginning and will be there at the end....

Another 1/3 are those who are Secondary owners - those who took over the teams that the original owners abandoned, usually in seasons 2 or 3 (after the initial euphoria wears off), or seasons 5 or 6 (burn-out, disinterst). They usually stick around with the originals....

UKSubs · 05-28-2003, 05:16 PM

I think every league is different.

The CDL, which is nearing the end of its 18th season only has four original owners left (five if we count owners who were original owners, but left and came back), but at least 2/3 of the owners have been with the league for 10 seasons.

05-27-2003, 12:54 PM	#1
Dean Gordon Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: vancouver, canada Posts: 354	Turnover in a League A question for other commishes: what is the usual turnover of ownership in your league? I have found that 1-2 franchises per year seem to be the norm, and by season 5, 6, or 7, it increases a bit as some original owners pack it up because they dont want to face the long prospect of rebuilding.... Anyone else finding similar turnovers? Dean Commish - GMC, EBL, NABL

05-27-2003, 01:43 PM	#4
treedom Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 2,900	the LBA hasn't hit 5 yet...but we're in our 4th and i've noticed a decrease in turnover every season...we haven't had a new owner since before our 3rd, IIRC... __________________ A rake and a roustabout.

05-27-2003, 02:08 PM	#5
chrisj All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Edmonton, Alberta (but still wishing I was in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada) Posts: 834	With my league I had high turnover the first few years... owners joined, didn't win or just lost interest and left. In our 5th year now I find there is fairly little turnover as most owners have been around for a couple seasons and have become "attached" to their players so to speak. __________________ Canadian Baseball League -- Commissioner -- Calgary GM

05-27-2003, 03:41 PM	#10
UKSubs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 272	Turnover not only depends on the league, but on the people who run the league. I think a decent amount of turnover is good for a league, since you get fresh faces who add different things to a league. Because of this, I'm more likely to actively replace someone who isn'tinterested anymore, whereas a lot of leagues will let a guy stay until they leave on their own terms. The 4CBA has turned over 5 teams since starting its fifth season, which is fine with me, since we added some excellent new owners. The old owners will be missed, but one part of running a league is knowing that people leave for all sorts of reasons at all sorts of times. __________________ Counter Culture Baseball Commissioner/Houston Astros RANZBA Adelaide Crows

05-28-2003, 04:29 PM	#14
PineTar Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 154	Much to your chagrin I imagine. __________________

05-27-2003, 01:26 PM	#2
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	I don't remember it ever increasing with age of league.........

05-27-2003, 01:41 PM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	We've had our fair share of turnover, especially early on, but now we have about 1 per season or so which seems pretty normal. I think you'll find turnover is less in historical or fictional leagues due to the types of people interested in those.

05-27-2003, 02:52 PM	#7
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	We are extremely fortunate in the USBA, having but 1 or 2 new owners in the last few seasons. Much of the original crew is still around and other than the first season when 3 or 4 owners were replaced, things are rock solid tight. I hate to guess what "normal" turnover is. I am in online leagues that have had rocky transitions where 4-5 teams may open in a given season but have no openings the next.

05-27-2003, 04:53 PM	#12
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	I think once a league makes it past the 3rd season its pretty set, but then it might be hard to get owners interested in a real team league in 2009. So in either form a good league will become a fictional one anyway.

05-28-2003, 05:16 PM	#16
UKSubs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 272	I think every league is different. The CDL, which is nearing the end of its 18th season only has four original owners left (five if we count owners who were original owners, but left and came back), but at least 2/3 of the owners have been with the league for 10 seasons. __________________ Counter Culture Baseball Commissioner/Houston Astros RANZBA Adelaide Crows