A poll about women's / mixed leagues - Page 11

Athletics17 · 05-18-2011, 04:27 PM

I know chicagofan would love to have Rachel Phelps as an owner in one of his universes.

Chicagofan76 · 05-18-2011, 04:34 PM

Mrs Phelps takes over the tribe in 2020...that facegen was fugly...is that the version with long hair? Barack Obama takes over the White Sox in 2017 after his 2nd term in office when Jerry Reinsdorf dies.

Athletics17 · 05-18-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

that facegen was fugly...is that the version with long hair?

You are right that facegen was ugly. Looks like Chipper Jones with a wig. Just wanted to show some possibilities with facegen and show it is not impossible. Not sure how it came about as another guy in our league came up with it.

markmcghee · 05-18-2011, 06:18 PM

I see this topic come up from time to time and quite honestly I have to laugh. This a fringe topic right up there with asking Markus to model a Hobbit league. "Frodo swings and there's a drive to deep left center! Back! Back! It might be! It could be! Ohhhhh, Samwise Gamgee snags it in the webbing of is left foot!!!! How about that, folks! You don't see that every day!"

Chicagofan76 · 05-18-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by markmcghee

I see this topic come up from time to time and quite honestly I have to laugh. This a fringe topic right up there with asking Markus to model a Hobbit league. "Frodo swings and there's a drive to deep left center! Back! Back! It might be! It could be! Ohhhhh, Samwise Gamgee snags it in the webbing of is left foot!!!! How about that, folks! You don't see that every day!"

If he snags it in the webbing of his foot can they say he trapped the ball?

Cryomaniac · 05-18-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by markmcghee

This a fringe topic right up there with asking Markus to model a Hobbit league.

Not really, since women really exist and hobbits don't. No-one has ever ever asked for hobbit leagues (not in a serious way anyway).

Muzamba · 05-18-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Athletics17

In the PEBA we have had a female GM. She didn't do that well, but wasn't given much of a chance. here is the article and facegen of her.

First Lady: Pomfret Named New West Virginia Coal Sox GM

It's probably just a matter of time until Kim Ng gets hired as a GM. Since a few of these guys are so hell-bent on only the real-world being represented in OOTP, I bet that'll make them flip their lids.

Muzamba · 05-18-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

I have no problems with it. But I have to ask, how are women not a part of the game now?

I think to have women represented in the game you need three things.
Name file
Face Gen
And personal pro nouns in the text files for league news and PBP

I think modders can take care of the first two options and could probably take care of #3 unless it is hard coded somehow...

...I feel like it would be mostly the same in OOTP. And I don't see why this is something that modders cannot take care of without any developmental effort from Markus.

This was exactly what I was thinking.

Yet again, I must reiterate that I don't care about women playing in OOTP. However, some of the features I do want to see added would also happen to allow the creation of female players.

First of all, I'd like to see Markus eventually purchase the Facegen license so that an in-game player editor can be implemented. This would allow the user to manually tweak the faces that are generated. It would also allow for longer hair and different accessories to be shown. Furthermore, with an integrated player editor, it should be easy to set up a pre-configured option to create female faces, just like it currently is for varying ethnicities.

Secondly, there is already a female first names file left over from when OOTP had the infamous "wives and girlfriends" option in it. We're already planning on recycling this database for use with storylines. So the file already exists. It's just a matter of using it to generate player names.

Finally, there are the text files. This would probably be the most complicated aspect of having women in the game. It would probably preclude the creation of co-ed leagues or maybe even mixed-league universes. However, if one has the option to select either male or female players at league setup, it would probably work rather easily.

(Sorry I keep jumping back in and prolonging this thread, but it just really ticks me off that there are people who are so vehemently opposed to those who favor it. And now that some have resorted to name-calling to drive home their point, I feel like the gauntlet has been thrown down!

But don't worry, I'm focusing most of my attention on beta now, so I doubt I'll be wasting too much more time on this topic.)

Sweed · 05-19-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Muzamba

(Sorry I keep jumping back in and prolonging this thread, but it just really ticks me off that there are people who are so vehemently opposed to those who favor it. And now that some have resorted to name-calling to drive home their point, I feel like the gauntlet has been thrown down!

But don't worry, I'm focusing most of my attention on beta now, so I doubt I'll be wasting too much more time on this topic.)

Well to be fair there has been some name calling on both sides in both this thread and the old thread linked here in an earlier post.

I feel I've made reasonable arguments why I am against women being added. I've also made suggestions that would simplify the process of adding women for the mod community. This suggestion would not only help out in adding women but could be used for any type of modded league.

And yet I've been told the only reason one could possibly oppose adding women is because they are blatantly sexist. Maybe it's just me but for some reason that really ticks me off.

Carplos · 05-19-2011, 12:57 AM

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And yet I've been told the only reason one could possibly oppose adding women is because they are blatantly sexist. Maybe it's just me but for some reason that really ticks me off.

You were told this by one person who posted like twice in the whole thread.

Get over it.

It's far less than PSU and Wolf have gone on about.

Sweed · 05-19-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Carplos

You were told this by one person who posted like twice in the whole thread.

Get over it.

It's far less than PSU and Wolf have gone on about.

Nope, read the old thread.

megamanmatt · 05-19-2011, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

I have no problems with it. But I have to ask, how are women not a part of the game now?

I think to have women represented in the game you need three things.
Name file
Face Gen
And personal pro nouns in the text files for league news and PBP

I think modders can take care of the first two options and could probably take care of #3 unless it is hard coded somehow.

I'm of the opinion that this pretty much sums it up and any post past it, including my own, are simply wasted space on a server somewhere.

Carplos · 05-19-2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

Nope, read the old thread.

I wasn't talking about the old thread. I was solely taking about this one. If more people did the same thing in previous threads fine, but we're not in that thread anymore.

Sweed · 05-19-2011, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Carplos

I wasn't talking about the old thread. I was solely taking about this one. If more people did the same thing in previous threads fine, but we're not in that thread anymore.

Then it shouldn't have been linked by the OP of this thread as a reference.

As far as Wolf and PSU if someone doesn't like them than single them out. Please don't lump everyone together.

megamanmatt · 05-19-2011, 01:08 AM

Ok, I just took a gaze at the thread and at one point the discussion/argument had a direction. If that's gone can you just let it die rather than sit here and snipe at one another with some false sense of superiority?

ukhotstove · 05-19-2011, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by markmcghee

I see this topic come up from time to time and quite honestly I have to laugh. This a fringe topic right up there with asking Markus to model a Hobbit league. "Frodo swings and there's a drive to deep left center! Back! Back! It might be! It could be! Ohhhhh, Samwise Gamgee snags it in the webbing of is left foot!!!! How about that, folks! You don't see that every day!"

Now that's just plain silly, Samwise would never be on an opposing team of Frodo's also Samwise in centre ? He's a catcher if ever there was one, now if you had said "Frodo swings and there's a drive to deep left centre! Back! Back! It might be! It could be! Ohhhhh, Grishnakh snags it with one of his long arms!!!! How about that folks! You don't see that everyday!" It would have put your point across better

The Wolf · 05-19-2011, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Athletics17

Where the hell are the moderators at?? This is ridiculous and no longer constructive.

It was always ridiculous and not constructive. It's a thread that never should have been started.

megamanmatt · 05-19-2011, 02:17 AM

I find the problem really isn't the thread, just the people who have taken part in it.

Cooleyvol · 05-19-2011, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Muzamba

(Sorry I keep jumping back in and prolonging this thread, but it just really ticks me off that there are people who are so vehemently opposed to those who favor it. And now that some have resorted to name-calling to drive home their point, I feel like the gauntlet has been thrown down!

But don't worry, I'm focusing most of my attention on beta now, so I doubt I'll be wasting too much more time on this topic.)

All together now.........................Eeeeewwwwwww!Zamba's a beta tester!

I'm assuming that's the response you were wanting since that part of your post was basically irrelevant to the topic.

Cryomaniac · 05-19-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

It was always ridiculous and not constructive. It's a thread that never should have been started.

Why? The point of a discussion board is to discuss things. Just because some people find them ridiculous doesn't mean they shouldn't be discussed.

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05-18-2011, 04:27 PM	#201
Athletics17 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: jackson Hole, Wy Posts: 1,187	I know chicagofan would love to have Rachel Phelps as an owner in one of his universes. Attached Images __________________ Compilation of Uniforms

05-19-2011, 01:08 AM	#215
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	Ok, I just took a gaze at the thread and at one point the discussion/argument had a direction. If that's gone can you just let it die rather than sit here and snipe at one another with some false sense of superiority? __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

05-19-2011, 02:17 AM	#218
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	I find the problem really isn't the thread, just the people who have taken part in it. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

05-18-2011, 04:34 PM	#202
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	Mrs Phelps takes over the tribe in 2020...that facegen was fugly...is that the version with long hair? Barack Obama takes over the White Sox in 2017 after his 2nd term in office when Jerry Reinsdorf dies.

05-18-2011, 06:18 PM	#204
markmcghee Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft.Lauderdale Posts: 151	I see this topic come up from time to time and quite honestly I have to laugh. This a fringe topic right up there with asking Markus to model a Hobbit league. "Frodo swings and there's a drive to deep left center! Back! Back! It might be! It could be! Ohhhhh, Samwise Gamgee snags it in the webbing of is left foot!!!! How about that, folks! You don't see that every day!"