Comments and Feedback for May 13th Update [Release Date Announcement Special]

[The_Knuckler]

I ordered back in February or March, I believe. I haven't played OOTP since OOTP 9, but it was by far the best sports sim I've ever played. Personally, I have no qualms about waiting for this. It gives me additional time to job hunt. Once I get OOTP 12, I'm sure I'll have plenty of distractions.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by tigey75

I'm willing to cut Markus more slack because he doesn't belong in prison like most Exxon executives

That's just despicable slander.

[Mancandy]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Total agreement. The pissing and moaning bothering Markus wasn't my main concern. Mostly it was how much they annoy me.

I can relate. At this point, I'm not even bothered by the delays and lack of information on the game. My main concern is the ridiculous and childish attitudes of the apologists who act like the "pissing and moaning" is actually wrong - annoying or not, the majority of it is reasonably accurate and justified. But there's just no defending the childish antics of the apologists who piss and moan about the pissing and moaning more than the people they're attacking do.

I came into this thread thinking that, since there's finally a release date and updates are being given fairly regularly, the bitching and whining would finally stop...from both sides. I was half right. The "where's our game" crowd has quieted considerably, but the apologists just don't know when to stop, do they? Still crying, still attacking, still spouting off every excuse in the book like any of them are valid. The sooner they get over themselves and grow up, the better off we'll all be.

And to think, all I came here to do was say how excited I was about the new features that have already been revealed and how nice it is to have a release date. I'm really looking forward to this game.

[PSUColonel]

I find the childishness amusing, but not necessarily bothersome. The delays don't bother me either since I am enjoying version 11 so much. What IS bothering me I must admit however, is the lack of information regarding the upcoming version. I don't feel there is any excuse to at least let consumers know much more detail about features and fixes etc..

[Athletics17]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

The delays don't bother me either since I am enjoying version 11 so much. What IS bothering me I must admit however, is the lack of information regarding the upcoming version. I don't feel there is any excuse to at least let consumers know much more detail about features and fixes etc..

11 still rocks, but I could use a little eye candy to get me excited by 12. The main reason for upgrading is to keep up with the PEBA. I am patient though, I know Markus is working his tail off for it and I have complete faith in him.

[MizzouRah]

Screen shots tomorrow?

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by Mancandy

I came into this thread thinking that, since there's finally a release date and updates are being given fairly regularly, the bitching and whining would finally stop...from both sides. I was half right. The "where's our game" crowd has quieted considerably, but the apologists just don't know when to stop, do they? Still crying, still attacking, still spouting off every excuse in the book like any of them are valid. The sooner they get over themselves and grow up, the better off we'll all be.

I never thought I'd use the "I've been here longer than you" defense so this is kind of shocking, but there it is. I've been here since back when people really did have a reason to complain about something. I saw OOTP go from a fantastic game (OOTP 6 & 6.5) to a buggy frustrating mess (OOTP2007) back to a truly fantastic game. The fact is your opinion is based off the same ignorant "the customer is always right" BS that gives us such crappy products and services in the modern era. Here's a statistic(an we baseball fans love statistics), the customer isn't always right but the customer is almost 90% of the time an asshole.

I see your point though. We should all publicly complain about Markus for taking the time to create another source of income for his company. That will, in no way, be beneficial in the future for all of us.

[megamanmatt]

I don't know why but I feel like adding... maybe it's the fact my mind is a bit cloudy, or maybe it's just the fact some how I took the comment about "blindly defending Markus" personally. I don't know... but I did...

The fact is I consider myself a very fair and even-minded, if not slightly lazy, human being. I don't run around blindly heaping praise on developers, or anybody really, just simply for doing their job. On the opposite side of the coin I don't blindly run around spouting of that some minor inconvenience to myself spells doom and gloom for all life as we know it. I am an American and the simple fact is I'm bombarded with that negative line of thinking in almost every aspect of my life from politics to how people view Americans. It's all negative and in most cases it's all a hell of a lot more important than a video game.

I'm not saying this to make myself feel better, or to make anyone feel bad. I'm saying this so you understand what I'm about to say next.

OOTP Developments is the very best company I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing a service from. I invite you to really stop and think for a moment how incredible it really is that year-in-year-out Markus creates a game that is of higher quality and able to deliver far more content. This is all done on a budget that most studios would consider impossible to operate on, with a team that until this year was like 2 people. Also let's not forget Markus isn't just pleasing one group of fans. He's attempting to please people who like history to replay accurately, people who like managing MLB teams, people who enjoy their own fictional universes, and people who like the competition of online leagues. Finally this all happens consistently. Now if you measure consistency by who gets out of the gate first, then maybe you would disagree. But if you measure consistency by the level of quality put into a product over time, by the level of craftsmanship a person puts into their trade then you have no choice but to agree.

Do I defend Markus and OOTP? Yes. It's not blindly however, it's because if Markus were more like "the other guys" then I wouldn't have any reason to be here since I personally dislike games that attempt to blind you by superficiality in an attempt to ignore the fact you're buying a $60 roster set.

If that bothers you.... well TS; I don't personally care one bit about your $30.

[falkonisback]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

I saw OOTP go from a fantastic game (OOTP 6 & 6.5) to a buggy frustrating mess (OOTP2006) back to a truly fantastic game.

OOTP 2007 was an AWESOME game!!

[tigey75]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

That's just despicable slander.

True, they're really good people. I don't know what I was thinking. Our great grandchildren will still be cleaning up the mess left by BP and Exxon, so I guess it's not really our problem

[Jetzons]

I play all year round, 365 days a year if the wife would ignore me....
So, who gives a crap when Markus turns it loose, I am happy, 11 rocks, 12 will likely be even cooler. My kudos to all the work on this product.

[tward13]

Originally Posted by megamanmatt

I don't know why but I feel like adding... maybe it's the fact my mind is a bit cloudy, or maybe it's just the fact some how I took the comment about "blindly defending Markus" personally. I don't know... but I did...

The fact is I consider myself a very fair and even-minded, if not slightly lazy, human being. I don't run around blindly heaping praise on developers, or anybody really, just simply for doing their job. On the opposite side of the coin I don't blindly run around spouting of that some minor inconvenience to myself spells doom and gloom for all life as we know it. I am an American and the simple fact is I'm bombarded with that negative line of thinking in almost every aspect of my life from politics to how people view Americans. It's all negative and in most cases it's all a hell of a lot more important than a video game.

I'm not saying this to make myself feel better, or to make anyone feel bad. I'm saying this so you understand what I'm about to say next.

OOTP Developments is the very best company I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing a service from. I invite you to really stop and think for a moment how incredible it really is that year-in-year-out Markus creates a game that is of higher quality and able to deliver far more content. This is all done on a budget that most studios would consider impossible to operate on, with a team that until this year was like 2 people. Also let's not forget Markus isn't just pleasing one group of fans. He's attempting to please people who like history to replay accurately, people who like managing MLB teams, people who enjoy their own fictional universes, and people who like the competition of online leagues. Finally this all happens consistently. Now if you measure consistency by who gets out of the gate first, then maybe you would disagree. But if you measure consistency by the level of quality put into a product over time, by the level of craftsmanship a person puts into their trade then you have no choice but to agree.

Do I defend Markus and OOTP? Yes. It's not blindly however, it's because if Markus were more like "the other guys" then I wouldn't have any reason to be here since I personally dislike games that attempt to blind you by superficiality in an attempt to ignore the fact you're buying a $60 roster set.

If that bothers you.... well TS; I don't personally care one bit about your $30.

Two posts to fit in all your obnoxious thoughts. Cool.

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by tward13

Two posts to fit in all your obnoxious thoughts. Cool.

Well I have to be sure that they get pounded through [snip].

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by tigey75

True, they're really good people. I don't know what I was thinking. Our great grandchildren will still be cleaning up the mess left by BP and Exxon, so I guess it's not really our problem

Your ignorance is overwhelming. Go spend some time looking at long-term effects of oil spills - take the Santa Barbara spill for an example, it was right off a pristine beach. A few years later no one could tell that it had happened. Oil is a natural product, and one which is eaten by bacteria. It goes away. But, since you clearly know nothing about the subject whatsoever and are just posing, you don't know that.

And, yes, they are by and large good people - no more or less so than any other group - and your slanderous lie about them belonging in prison is despicable.

You need to go learn something besides empty-headed slogans and agenda-based hatred. You'd be amazed how completely wrong you are about all of this.

[megamanmatt]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Your ignorance is overwhelming. Go spend some time looking at long-term effects of oil spills - take the Santa Barbara spill for an example, it was right off a pristine beach. A few years later no one could tell that it had happened. Oil is a natural product, and one which is eaten by bacteria. It goes away. But, since you clearly know nothing about the subject whatsoever and are just posing, you don't know that.

And, yes, they are by and large good people - no more or less so than any other group - and your slanderous lie about them belonging in prison is despicable.

You need to go learn something besides empty-headed slogans and agenda-based hatred. You'd be amazed how completely wrong you are about all of this.

Besides which there have been far more environmental disasters and damage caused by every day farmers. BP didn't screw up the Gulf, they just added to an already existing problem.

[silvam14]

Sheesh! Was Exxon a bad example? Will "Conoco" cause the same feelings of corporate hatred to bubble up to the surface and be exposed in a completely inappropriate thread?


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[The Wolf]

Sorry to clutter up the thread with replies to that nonsense, Silvam, but aggressive ignorance and vicious slander is a combination that makes me want to break things.

[bbmike]

Meanwhile, the development on OOTP 13 will start sooner, so that we will be able to release it before Opening Day 2012.

Great. Sometime before Opening Day 2012. Another vague release date. Why can't you tell us exactly when? I want OOTP 13 now!

Seriously, I completely understand why developers hate to give release dates. Thanks for the update, Markus. Looking forward to the Road-To-Release articles.

Oh, and with the planned 2D/3D engine I really do want OOTP 13 now.
I'll even pre-order it now if you'll let me and you won't hear a peep from about the release date. Unless you delay it past Opening Day 2012.

[robc]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Your ignorance is overwhelming. Go spend some time looking at long-term effects of oil spills - take the Santa Barbara spill for an example, it was right off a pristine beach. A few years later no one could tell that it had happened. Oil is a natural product, and one which is eaten by bacteria. It goes away. But, since you clearly know nothing about the subject whatsoever and are just posing, you don't know that.

And, yes, they are by and large good people - no more or less so than any other group - and your slanderous lie about them belonging in prison is despicable.

You need to go learn something besides empty-headed slogans and agenda-based hatred. You'd be amazed how completely wrong you are about all of this.

Alaska didn't fully recover from the Exxon Valdez yet. The herring haven't returned and fishing season starts later then it used to. See: Exxon Valdez: a glimpse of the future for Louisiana? | NOLA.com.

My guess is that you are still mostly correct about the vast majority of oil executives being good and decent people. I would be willing to bet there were those who were willfully negligent in how they operated or handled the spills. I'm pretty sure I've heard a news story a while back where the evidense was compelling that BP did not handle the drilling or the spill in a professional and ethical manner. Possibly warrenting crimial charges for some.

[The Wolf]

Alaska will take much longer to recover because of the cold. Biological activity is cut roughly in half by every drop of 10 degrees C, so full recovery will take some time there. But it will recover.

Dollars to doughnuts that no one is convicted of anything in the BP Macondo spill. The real culprit, experts have told me, was a suboptimal choice in well design. There will be many lawsuits, many attorneys will grow rich, some truth will creep out, and life will go on and all will be forgotten. Already my fishermen friends are telling me that sport fishing in the Gulf is better than they can ever remember, due to the ban on shrimping which has led to some very plump shrimp-fed fish.

I should also note that federal oversight/inspection was lacking in the extreme. And this with Obama as president!