OOTP vs The Competition!

LouisSVillano · 03-29-2011, 08:37 PM

I have been simming sports for several years mainly baseball.I've. heard all the claims.Whats the best baseball simulation company. Diamond Mind has a good reputation and deals with ESPN. I've played a little Strat O Matic and thought it was very good, they have been recognized by The Baseball Hall Of Fame. To read there info or their bloggers nothing compares. They let you know their the only company with righty/lefty stats before the 1980 season. How does OOTP 11/12 compare and why? Does OOTP 11/12 have righty/ lefty stats pre 1980? Thank You !

robc · 03-29-2011, 09:25 PM

OOTP isn't a strict replay like the other games. Out of the box, without any season disks to purchase, it lets you play any year in MLB history. It does a good job at providing believable outcomes. The league totals are generally good. Most individuals perform in a believable manner. It also lets you play against the AI and have continuity from 1 year to the next. The AI is sometimes boneheaded both from a GM standpoint or with the in game decisions, but the game is still fun. You don't need to spend $1000 to play the seasons, so that is a plus.

Curtis · 03-29-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisSVillano

Does OOTP 11/12 have righty/ lefty stats pre 1980?

The only thing I can add to robc's excellent post is, no. There are righty/lefty splits prior to 1980, but they're generically created, not historically specific to each player.

RchW · 03-29-2011, 10:15 PM

Not to totally dump on DM but I never got the "replay" deal ever. I was making up fictional leagues in various sports since I was 12 and I never wanted to replay history as it happened. When I saw the money people were asked to pay for a re-creation I thought of PT Barnum.

1998 Yankees · 03-29-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Not to totally dump on DM but I never got the "replay" deal ever. I was making up fictional leagues in various sports since I was 12 and I never wanted to replay history as it happened. When I saw the money people were asked to pay for a re-creation I thought of PT Barnum.

I've learned not to say such things, merely to agree when somebody else says them!

tzussu · 03-29-2011, 10:27 PM

The biggest reason for me to purchase OOTP is because of the challenge of building a team and watch it progress. You are a GM and coach. It doesn't end after being eliminated that first year - it's actually the beginning. To do this with Strat or Diamond you need live owners and use the player cards with someone tracking stats (unless something's changed over the years). For a sit down roll of the dice game once in awhile my son and i do enjoy Dynasty League Baseball. Otherwise we can be found duking it out in OOTP with our drafted teams over the course of several seasons. Hope springs eternal with each new season that those trades and call-ups will actually pan out.

The Wolf · 03-29-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisSVillano

I have been simming sports for several years mainly baseball.I've. heard all the claims.Whats the best baseball simulation company. Diamond Mind has a good reputation and deals with ESPN. I've played a little Strat O Matic and thought it was very good, they have been recognized by The Baseball Hall Of Fame. To read there info or their bloggers nothing compares. They let you know their the only company with righty/lefty stats before the 1980 season. How does OOTP 11/12 compare and why? Does OOTP 11/12 have righty/ lefty stats pre 1980? Thank You !

You want accurate replays? Go hand your wallet to Strat O Matic or Diamond Mind. You want the best baseball simulation, it's right here in OOTP. From DIPS to fictional play to historical seasons to current play to more customizability than a '57 Chevy, OOTP is the king of baseball simulations.

Try the demo and see for yourself.

The Wolf · 03-29-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

When I saw the money people were asked to pay for a re-creation I thought of PT Barnum.

Absolutely. I thought of sheep.

Chicagofan76 · 03-30-2011, 01:46 AM

For me the single season replays r fun i dont want the 1919, 1959, 1983, 1993, 2000, 2008 seasons to end the way it actually did. I want to win the World Series. in '59 my sox r 6 games under .500 after 70 games in 93 the Sox r 21 games over .500 at the ASB. Even the '19 season i had already played the sox finished 2nd. single seasons replays dont always pan out the way they actually did to me its just as random as my many fictional league and my historical league.

Eric · 03-30-2011, 01:57 AM

I wouldn't bag on replays - like the previous poster said, it allows you to play what-if. Can you take your favorite team who finished in 2nd place to first by better managing?

However, given that strat-o-matic was originally based on dice, the question is which simulation engine will provide more accurate results? OOTP isn't limited the number of possible dice combinations.

I can understand the prices of previous seasons being high back in the day before computers but how can a company justify for $15 when all the stats can be easily obtained from the Internet. Some intangibles like arm-strength for outfields or catcher's ability to throw out runners may need some manual analysis.

95Marinerschangedmylife · 03-30-2011, 03:43 AM

OOTP is probably the most customizable also. If you didnt quite get the feel that you want, just go back into the settings and fine tune it.

Bluenoser · 03-30-2011, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by robc

OOTP isn't a strict replay like the other games. Out of the box, without any season disks to purchase, it lets you play any year in MLB history. It does a good job at providing believable outcomes. The league totals are generally good. Most individuals perform in a believable manner. It also lets you play against the AI and have continuity from 1 year to the next. The AI is sometimes boneheaded both from a GM standpoint or with the in game decisions, but the game is still fun. You don't need to spend $1000 to play the seasons, so that is a plus.

Good response robc - the only thing I'll add is that the boneheaded decisions just add more realism imo, because anyone who follows baseball knows full well that irl GM's and Managers make boneheaded decisions sometimes as well.

jmknpk2 · 03-30-2011, 08:30 AM

I don't have any actual experience with Strat-O-Matic, but from what I've gathered, I think it is similar to Diamond Mind in that you basically just play out seasons. You have the ability to make trades and what not. But if you don't have other human managers you are playing against, things like trades are pretty much empty.

One exciting element OOTP 11/12 adds is the ability to negotiate with players in a manner which seems almost real at times. Also, coaches and scouts can be hired/fired. Players and personnel have individual personalities in OOTP. Also, OOTP provides the challenge of balancing the financial end of the game which I find one of the most rewarding aspects. To win is one thing, to win and make a profit is quite another. Anyway, I think those are some things DMB and Strat-O-Matic do not provide. I played DMB for several years, then Baseball Mogul, but once I found OOTP, I never looked back.

Overall, I think OOTP is a very full experience that offers many many options and many many different ways for users to play the simulation. If you are only interested in accurately recreating past history and the related stats, I would recommend DMB (but be prepared to pay for all of history). If you are looking for a fun imersive game, OOTP wins hands down.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-30-2011, 08:59 AM

Actually, I think OOTP is a better replay simulation than the classic replay games (DMB, Strat). These games have an outdated game engine, missing crucial things like DIPS or a sophisticated defensive engine. The only 'advantage' they have are real day-by-day lineups, but this changes with OOTP 12. The resulting league totals and individual stats of OOTP 11 already surpass all other games out there in terms of realism in my opinion.

The_Knuckler · 03-30-2011, 10:58 AM

The only other baseball sim I played that was even close to the complexity of OOTP was Season Ticket Baseball. But isn't that what OOTP is based off anyway?

Curtis · 03-30-2011, 11:13 AM

My understanding is that OotPB is not based off of Season Ticket, but is Season Ticket under another name. The game engine underwent a serious rewrite between Version 6.51 and Version 2006.

The_Knuckler · 03-30-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Curtis

My understanding is that OotPB is not based off of Season Ticket, but is Season Ticket under another name. The game engine underwent a serious rewrite between Version 6.51 and Version 2006.

Right. Well, either way, Season Ticket is what originally piqued my interest in baseball sims.

Junior19 · 03-30-2011, 11:39 AM

I'm pretty sure STB was the retail on the shelf version of OOTP (which version unsure), the same company also did another STB (but B for basketball) that I can't remember which it was based off (Jump Shot or something maybe?). I think it may go back to the .400 studio days.

Dan Theman · 03-30-2011, 09:32 PM

IIRC, that was before .400 Studios but is otherwise spot on: Season Ticket Baseball was the retail version of OOTP 3. STB 2003 was OOTP 4.

damientheomen3 · 03-30-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Not to totally dump on DM but I never got the "replay" deal ever. I was making up fictional leagues in various sports since I was 12 and I never wanted to replay history as it happened. When I saw the money people were asked to pay for a re-creation I thought of PT Barnum.

This a million times. I don't get why people would spend money to see a game recreate something that has happened before. Forget playing past history, I prefer making my own history, with fictional leagues.

03-29-2011, 08:37 PM	#1
LouisSVillano Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 154	OOTP vs The Competition! I have been simming sports for several years mainly baseball.I've. heard all the claims.Whats the best baseball simulation company. Diamond Mind has a good reputation and deals with ESPN. I've played a little Strat O Matic and thought it was very good, they have been recognized by The Baseball Hall Of Fame. To read there info or their bloggers nothing compares. They let you know their the only company with righty/lefty stats before the 1980 season. How does OOTP 11/12 compare and why? Does OOTP 11/12 have righty/ lefty stats pre 1980? Thank You ! Last edited by LouisSVillano; 03-29-2011 at 08:41 PM.

03-29-2011, 10:15 PM	#4
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Not to totally dump on DM but I never got the "replay" deal ever. I was making up fictional leagues in various sports since I was 12 and I never wanted to replay history as it happened. When I saw the money people were asked to pay for a re-creation I thought of PT Barnum. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

03-30-2011, 08:30 AM	#13
jmknpk2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 982	I don't have any actual experience with Strat-O-Matic, but from what I've gathered, I think it is similar to Diamond Mind in that you basically just play out seasons. You have the ability to make trades and what not. But if you don't have other human managers you are playing against, things like trades are pretty much empty. One exciting element OOTP 11/12 adds is the ability to negotiate with players in a manner which seems almost real at times. Also, coaches and scouts can be hired/fired. Players and personnel have individual personalities in OOTP. Also, OOTP provides the challenge of balancing the financial end of the game which I find one of the most rewarding aspects. To win is one thing, to win and make a profit is quite another. Anyway, I think those are some things DMB and Strat-O-Matic do not provide. I played DMB for several years, then Baseball Mogul, but once I found OOTP, I never looked back. Overall, I think OOTP is a very full experience that offers many many options and many many different ways for users to play the simulation. If you are only interested in accurately recreating past history and the related stats, I would recommend DMB (but be prepared to pay for all of history). If you are looking for a fun imersive game, OOTP wins hands down. Last edited by jmknpk2; 03-30-2011 at 08:34 AM.

03-30-2011, 08:59 AM	#14
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	Actually, I think OOTP is a better replay simulation than the classic replay games (DMB, Strat). These games have an outdated game engine, missing crucial things like DIPS or a sophisticated defensive engine. The only 'advantage' they have are real day-by-day lineups, but this changes with OOTP 12. The resulting league totals and individual stats of OOTP 11 already surpass all other games out there in terms of realism in my opinion. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

03-29-2011, 09:25 PM	#2
robc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,095	OOTP isn't a strict replay like the other games. Out of the box, without any season disks to purchase, it lets you play any year in MLB history. It does a good job at providing believable outcomes. The league totals are generally good. Most individuals perform in a believable manner. It also lets you play against the AI and have continuity from 1 year to the next. The AI is sometimes boneheaded both from a GM standpoint or with the in game decisions, but the game is still fun. You don't need to spend $1000 to play the seasons, so that is a plus.

03-29-2011, 10:27 PM	#6
tzussu Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24	The biggest reason for me to purchase OOTP is because of the challenge of building a team and watch it progress. You are a GM and coach. It doesn't end after being eliminated that first year - it's actually the beginning. To do this with Strat or Diamond you need live owners and use the player cards with someone tracking stats (unless something's changed over the years). For a sit down roll of the dice game once in awhile my son and i do enjoy Dynasty League Baseball. Otherwise we can be found duking it out in OOTP with our drafted teams over the course of several seasons. Hope springs eternal with each new season that those trades and call-ups will actually pan out.

03-30-2011, 01:46 AM	#9
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	For me the single season replays r fun i dont want the 1919, 1959, 1983, 1993, 2000, 2008 seasons to end the way it actually did. I want to win the World Series. in '59 my sox r 6 games under .500 after 70 games in 93 the Sox r 21 games over .500 at the ASB. Even the '19 season i had already played the sox finished 2nd. single seasons replays dont always pan out the way they actually did to me its just as random as my many fictional league and my historical league.

03-30-2011, 01:57 AM	#10
Eric All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,234	I wouldn't bag on replays - like the previous poster said, it allows you to play what-if. Can you take your favorite team who finished in 2nd place to first by better managing? However, given that strat-o-matic was originally based on dice, the question is which simulation engine will provide more accurate results? OOTP isn't limited the number of possible dice combinations. I can understand the prices of previous seasons being high back in the day before computers but how can a company justify for $15 when all the stats can be easily obtained from the Internet. Some intangibles like arm-strength for outfields or catcher's ability to throw out runners may need some manual analysis.

03-30-2011, 03:43 AM	#11
95Marinerschangedmylife Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 182	OOTP is probably the most customizable also. If you didnt quite get the feel that you want, just go back into the settings and fine tune it.

03-30-2011, 10:58 AM	#15
The_Knuckler Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 70	The only other baseball sim I played that was even close to the complexity of OOTP was Season Ticket Baseball. But isn't that what OOTP is based off anyway?

03-30-2011, 11:13 AM	#16
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	My understanding is that OotPB is not based off of Season Ticket, but is Season Ticket under another name. The game engine underwent a serious rewrite between Version 6.51 and Version 2006.

03-30-2011, 11:39 AM	#18
Junior19 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 90	I'm pretty sure STB was the retail on the shelf version of OOTP (which version unsure), the same company also did another STB (but B for basketball) that I can't remember which it was based off (Jump Shot or something maybe?). I think it may go back to the .400 studio days.