Player edit question

[deknegt]

I don't know where to put this so i guess the best place for me is the new people forums.

I gotten this game from a friend for my birthday because he knew how much i love sports games and especially simulation games. I play games like Football Manager and EHM too.

I am loving the game right now and as i did in the past with EHM and FM on a forum i start a ''grass roots'' game.

It basically comprises of people signing up their own player and me putting it in the game and simulation the seasons and those players their careers.

All and well and such and after a bit of fumbling about i found the editor and also the ability to create new players.

But i am totally confused about all the stats thrown at me.

The Ratings editor is where i lose track of editing and get confused.

Because my idea is to make all those players draft youngsters who essentially start out in the minor leagues for Major League teams.

But as i have no idea to what the average skills are for a player of a certain age and potential i don't know what guidelines i should follow.

It's obvious that i shouldn't make all their skills 250 if i want them to ripe first because they will become demi-gods.

I also don't want to make them too bad so that it will take a long time to reach the big leagues.

So after all this talking my question is pretty simple.

What are the skill levels i should try to stick by.
E.g. How much potential is good for a solid MLB player, how much is good for a all-star.
Around how much should their starting skills be like to not make them too bad or too good.

You don't need to hold my hand or anything, i just need a rule of thumb to stick by so i can make a fun game for the people who signed up.

If i am confusing in any way please tell me :P

[OBSL Commish]

I'm pretty new to this game as well, but I have a couple rules of thumb I use in making up players:

1) Depending on the ratings scale (20-80, 1-250, 1-10, etc.), I use the midway point of those ratings to describe bench players. Anything above designates above-average or better. On a 20-80 scale, very few players get a 80 in anything. Baseball America has a little writeup about who they feel has 80 tools, just to give you an idea:

BaseballAmerica.com: Prospects: Ask BA

2) Even perennial All-Stars rarely have 80 tools in my world. Usually, they have above-average tools in most, if not all, categories. The true 5-tools prospects rarely have 80 tools, as well.

[deknegt]

Lol i honestly have no idea what the tools system is and how it is used.

I am personally using 1-20 right now because it is closest to the Football manager style of attributes.

And i mean the editor uses the 1-250 scheme with skills which only makes it THAT much more confusing for me.

I mean i know that 250 is the highest it can become and that pretty much no player has that high of a stat in any.

Just wish to know where i should stick with the creation of the players so they won't start in the ML immediatly. But also be able to get there in 2 or so seasons.

I don't want to see that the players become uber-god's who hit 20 RBI's a game and throw 20 K's every night.

Also wish to add that i am a european (netherlands) myself so that also complicates matters.

My english is perfect though, so that's no problem :P

[Chicagofan76]

I have 2 options for u to try but i dont guarantee that either of these would work for you.
#1. if u are adding players via Free Agency or through the Ammy draft theres an option at the bottom right that says create fictional players. theres a drop down menu and u can have them come in "Very Young & Raw" I honestly have messed with that too often, some might be good some might be bad.

option #2 depending on how many players u r creating u can match your players up with various real players. So lets say u want to make Deandre Dawson find out how to add historical player ( I cant find it in the manual but each player has a code on baseball reference.com) for Andre Dawson its dawsonan01 so i would add Andre Dawson to the game then go in and change is name and maybe some other info about him and i would have Deandre Dawson have the same career ratings as Andre Dawson from whichever yr i choose.
I do this with 1-2 players each yr in 1 of my leagues.
But as a general rule u want to have any players potential ratings higher then his current ratings. The other thing i do is for players that i dont care what they end up doing is i take the highest potential players in each yrs ammy draft and change the info for my player. so that becomes a crapshoot.

Let me know if any of these work for u.

[deknegt]

Well i tried the VY&R with fictional players but that caused to get me more crappy players than i can count.

The historical players is interesting though and is something i should look further in.

Only problem becoming with that is my general lack of knowledge in baseball aside from current day players.
Where i live no-one lives or breathes baseball and it's all about football (soccer).

Maybe if some people can come with suggestions of historical players to take and then i can run with that.

Only question about Historical players is... Do they start with their skill at the same level of potential or do they actually have a realistic grow period.

I got around 8-9 guys signed up right now and that is also the level i will try to keep.

I thank for all the help i am getting and hopefully i can find a good solution for this problen

[Chicagofan76]

Originally Posted by deknegt

Well i tried the VY&R with fictional players but that caused to get me more crappy players than i can count.

The historical players is interesting though and is something i should look further in.

Only problem becoming with that is my general lack of knowledge in baseball aside from current day players.
Where i live no-one lives or breathes baseball and it's all about football (soccer).

Maybe if some people can come with suggestions of historical players to take and then i can run with that.

Only question about Historical players is... Do they start with their skill at the same level of potential or do they actually have a realistic grow period.

I got around 8-9 guys signed up right now and that is also the level i will try to keep.

I thank for all the help i am getting and hopefully i can find a good solution for this problen

most players grow..Randy Johnson in 1989 has a ton of BB vs Randy Johnson in 2001 is gonna lead the league in wins and k's (more or less)

well how many players r u trying to add and what type of player do u u want each to be and i will give ya some examples.

but it all depends on which yr u start from with the players, Sammy Sosa in 1991 is gonna suck but by 1998 is gonna hit close to 60 hr. it also depends on what league settings u use. If your league is using league settings from 1906 sosa would be lucky to hit more then 20 (10 might be high also) vs league settings from 1998.

[deknegt]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

most players grow..Randy Johnson in 1989 has a ton of BB vs Randy Johnson in 2001 is gonna lead the league in wins and k's (more or less)

well how many players r u trying to add and what type of player do u u want each to be and i will give ya some examples.

but it all depends on which yr u start from with the players, Sammy Sosa in 1991 is gonna suck but by 1998 is gonna hit close to 60 hr. it also depends on what league settings u use. If your league is using league settings from 1906 sosa would be lucky to hit more then 20 (10 might be high also) vs league settings from 1998.

I want to have the historical players that at least have a few years to season in the minors so that they don't immediatly come out the gates swinging. (no pun intended)

I am using the main Major League season which the game comes with.
I will give you the Position's i need filled up.

With pitchers i can easily just switch over the pitching skills when they are different.

Player 1: Starting pitcher with 4 pitches (FB,CRV,CCH,FRK)
Player 2: Short Stop contact hitter (good on the bases)
Player 3: Right Fielder with Power and baserunning ability
Player 4: Short stop defensive player with contact hitting Switch hitter
Player 5: Closing Pitcher with 3 pitches (FB,SNK,FRK) switch hitter
Player 6: Starting Pitcher 3 pitches (FB,SL,CH) Lefty
Player 7: Catcher who is a spray hitter with speed
Player 8: Centerfield who is fast
Player 9: Short Stop Switch Hitter with Power
Player 10: Closer with 3 pitches (FB,SPLT,CCH)

I don't need perfect matches in the least. If you can find a 1Baseman who fits the build as close as possible to a Short Stop you can suggest him and i change the appropriate things like position.

With the pitchers i placed their pitches behind the players.
I don't need perfect matches. i can change the numbers from one to the other if need be. If he has 3 pitches and you know a 4 pitch guy who fits the bill, i can remove one pitch and change the others to match the sign up.

Need more info, ask and i will place whats neccesary

[Chicagofan76]

Player 1: Starting pitcher with 4 pitches (FB,CRV,CCH,FRK)
heres several, but u would have to give them a forkball


Player 2: Short Stop contact hitter (good on the bases)
heres just a few that i can think of
1. Hanley Ramirez
2. Omar Vizquel
3. Derek Jeter
4. Luis Apricio
5. Walt Weiss

Player 3: Right Fielder with Power and baserunning ability
1. Magglio Ordonez
2. Ichiro but upgrade his power
3. Tony Gwynn, power is a little low and after 1991 didnt run much
4. Bo Jackson more of a LF vs RF but I use him in RF in my 1988 league
5. Johnny Damon/Carlos Beltran the Kansas City years both have played RF and can run

Player 4: Short stop defensive player with contact hitting Switch hitter
1. Omar Vizquel
2. Ozzie Smith
3. Larry Bowa
4. Tony Fernandez
that about it for switch hitting SS i may have missed 1-2

Player 5: Closing Pitcher with 3 pitches (FB,SNK,FRK) switch hitter
A closer who hits? hard to find
only CL i could find as of 2010 season that throws a Sinker is Ryan Franklin u would have to add the rest.

Player 6: Starting Pitcher 3 pitches (FB,SL,CH) Lefty


Player 7: Catcher who is a spray hitter with speed
1. Ivan Rodriguez early in his career
2. Jason Kendall
3. Craig Biggio but take out his ratings at 2B

Player 8: Centerfield who is fast
1. Kenny Lofton
2. Scott Podsednik more of a LF
3. Juan Pierre
4. Vince Coleman LF but move him
5. Rickey Henderson same as above
6. Willie McGee
7. Lance Johnson mostly a triples hitter good for 35 sb most yrs. (my 2nd all time fav player)

Player 9: Short Stop Switch Hitter with Power
doesnt exist unless u keep Mickey Mantle at SS
change Ernie Banks to a switch hitter
change Cal Ripken to a switch hitter

Player 10: Closer with 3 pitches (FB,SPLT,CCH)
CL with 3 pitches is hard to find for 2010 guys, players like Dennis Eckersly, Rollie Fingers, Lee Smith, Mariano Rivera, Trevor Hoffman and then add what pitches u want.

Also u can play with the editor, which is how i did several of my early leagues on ootp 8 and a few on 11 namely my ABF league
basically u just put #'s in til u find a set that u like and hit "Create Potential ratings based on stats" and leave "Create current ratings based on stats" alone and these players will take a few yrs to mature.
i hit both on the player i am showing below.

[deknegt]

thanks for all the names dude, you are a life saver.

i can simply choose a good mlb player from past or present.
Load up their profile from before their big breaks and then edit what is needed like their name and such and then let the game commence.

I pretty much knew i was making it harder then it should have been.

Thanks Chifan