2003 OOTP5 Pay League with cash prizes starting in near future..

dan4christ · 05-23-2003, 05:04 PM

I am in the process of starting a OOTP5 pay league..with cash prizes..
here are the details i have so far.
i would find the best 2003 rosters (probably
totalminors 1.1)

1)$20 per sim season
2)Only one team per person (there may be more of these leagues to come)
3)We would use paypal and put all the money into a pool(PAYPAL)
4)The World Series winning team owner would get at least $200 after the season (3 months in real time)
5)To ensure that trades are legit, I am working on a system of accountability and trade rules.
6) Teams will be chosen on first come first serve
basis.
7)There will be a team website , i would like to do the league like most ONLINE leagues as far message board..etc.
8)IF YOU ARE INTERESTED PLEASE EMAIL ME AT dan4christ@yahoo.com... with your
email address,
Top 3 team choices(teams matter, because of
ballparks),
and i will send you a reply with directions on what to do next.

-Dan

Eckstein 4 Prez · 05-23-2003, 05:09 PM

I'll be interested to see whether this works or not. I think it could really cause some bad feelings.....

dan4christ · 05-23-2003, 05:11 PM

I agree that there are issues with it.. but it would no doubt be very competitive.
There are some things i need to work through.. im just trying to see how much interest there is..

I know i would join in a heartbeat if i found a league like this.

LedgerSko · 05-23-2003, 05:18 PM

This will also keeps teams from scrapping the entire team and building for the future unless they have 80 bucks to invest and see if they can win 2-3 titles

Eckstein 4 Prez · 05-23-2003, 05:26 PM

I'm not saying I don't like the idea. I just don't know if it would work. Are you planning to commish the league, and if so, will you be running a team?

My recommendation for something like this is that you find a well-respected person (or a group of 3-5 people) with no interest in the league to settle disputes that may arise. These people should keep a really hands-off approach, and preferably not even know anything about the facts or people involved until called upon to decide something.

Just my two cents.

LedgerSko · 05-23-2003, 06:39 PM

That wouldnt be a bad idea.

zeroIQ · 05-23-2003, 07:01 PM

At $20 a pop using 2003 rosters? I doubt you'll find more than 10 owners.

Best of luck.

AccardoOutfit29 · 05-23-2003, 07:12 PM

Probably better off using an initial draft so every owner would have a shot.

OCBLcommish · 05-23-2003, 07:34 PM

If you're charging $20 per team, like zeroIQ said, you're not going to get more than 10 owners. Who would pay $20 to take the Devil Rays, Padres, Brewers, Pirates, etc. If I put $20 in per season, I'd have to be verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry sure of the team I was taking. I wouldn't take a team that I thought was a good team and that would be competitive but doesnt have enough to go the distance.

Not to mention the whole issue of guys who may try to cheat for that cash.

dan4christ · 05-23-2003, 09:40 PM

I would not have a team in the league...

There are 2 options.. please let me know which u like better...

1) Charge $20 per season per team, people with multiple teams cannot be in same division, nor can they trade between their teams.

Each team market would be set to avg..
Following this there would be an ALL PLAYER draft.

This would be a good, fair way to begin.

2) We would use REAL 2003 rosters

The cost of each team would be based on how good or bad they are. For example, the Oakland A's and Yankees would be more than the avg.. and stinky teams like the Orioles and Devil rays would be like $5 or something like that.

After each season.. each team would be evaluated and then given teams will be placed at different levels..There will be a new set of owners every season, but if you are already an owner you can repurchase the same team. So then there would be real benefit to rebuilding over a period of like 4 yrs or something...
All it takes is one World Series to make it all worth it for you.

This would make it an enjoyable long term league.

AIM is hispoem20

let me know what u all think?

LedgerSko · 05-23-2003, 09:46 PM

I think you might have more luck with 5 bucks a team and an initial draft. Thats just my guess.

Cooleyvol · 05-23-2003, 10:04 PM

won't work. Its been tried and it doesnt work.

Also a comment:

Dan4Christ,

If your username gives example to your christian beliefs, doesnt running a league like this go against said beliefs? Isn't this a form of gambling which is frowned upon by the majority of the Christian community.

If it doesnt speak of your beliefs, then nevermind.

dan4christ · 05-23-2003, 10:13 PM

I had heard that it has been tried.. id like to talk to people who tried it.

Yes I am a christian, but I do not see this as gambling per se.

Gambling is based on CHANCE, while there is a small amount of chance here, a lot of it is skill involved also.

Most Christians have no problem trying to win a prize at a carnival, even though it costs $2 to throw a ring around a bottle.

If there were such a league, i would join it, if it were in my budget.

I think it would be very fun and competitive, which is sometimes lacking in some OOTP leagues (competition).

I would rather have prizes rather than cash..but i think some people would rather have cash.

X-Box online costs like $50 a year.

... It could also be that I am have a twisted view of gambling and I should be correct.. feel free to IM me and we can chat.. AIM - hispoem20

Dan

LedgerSko · 05-23-2003, 10:17 PM

hehe, rest assured that there would be no deadbeat owners in this type of league

dan4christ · 05-23-2003, 10:24 PM

ill add one more thing......

which is better Christian stewardship...... joining a online league where u could VERY likely multiply your $20

or paying $50 for xbox online

I would go with the 1st to be a better investment.

TC Dale · 05-23-2003, 10:48 PM

Be that as it may, stewardship or not, whoever runs the league does need to not have a team in this league. If you thought the threads flaming cheater Commissioners is bad now, wait till someone paid money to be in that league.

Scott Vibert and Steve Kuffrey would have to lock that thread or delete it within minutes. I wholeheartedly recommend an outside person to run your league.

It might be your idea and your baby, but if you intend it to continue and mature beyond the first year blues, you should not run it.

People take their OOTP seriously.

And if I was in your league, you can bet I would have serious doubts about the commissioner being a team owner in a PAY league.

I am not speaking lightly. I am a member of 4 leagues, and all the commissioners are team owners as well. They are well respected leagues, and they earn their title of Commish daily.

Folks in a PAY league in the leadership role NEED to be above blemish in EVERY way, EVERY DAY.

I for one applaud you for attempting the league. I wish you the best. I hope you find good owners. I just feel it is doomed to fail, even with the best intentions.

Maybe 8 years ago with Rotisserie baseball at it's peak....this might have worked.

Today? No.

dan4christ · 05-23-2003, 10:54 PM

Im sorry if I didnt make it clear ........but I will NOT be a team owner in the league.. i would simply be the commish.

Cooleyvol · 05-24-2003, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dan4christ
I had heard that it has been tried.. id like to talk to people who tried it.

Yes I am a christian, but I do not see this as gambling per se.

Gambling is based on CHANCE, while there is a small amount of chance here, a lot of it is skill involved also.

Most Christians have no problem trying to win a prize at a carnival, even though it costs $2 to throw a ring around a bottle.

If there were such a league, i would join it, if it were in my budget.

I think it would be very fun and competitive, which is sometimes lacking in some OOTP leagues (competition).

I would rather have prizes rather than cash..but i think some people would rather have cash.

X-Box online costs like $50 a year.

... It could also be that I am have a twisted view of gambling and I should be correct.. feel free to IM me and we can chat.. AIM - hispoem20

Dan

Don't get me wrong, I hope it succeeds and I am not questioning you OR your beliefs--just wondering.

Along this line, Play Ball! owners pay 2.00 per season to purchase a gift certificate from Cooperstown Ballcap Co. that goes to the league champion.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 05-24-2003, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cooleyvol
Along this line, Play Ball! owners pay 2.00 per season to purchase a gift certificate from Cooperstown Ballcap Co. that goes to the league champion.

Now that's a great idea! We should do something similar in the UBL so that when I win this year I can get something cool to commemorate.....

Eckstein 4 Prez · 05-24-2003, 11:26 AM

And by the way, I'm not a Christian, but grew up in the church, and knew many people within the church who enjoyed the occasional trip to Vegas. I don't think there are any issues there with regard to Christianity, other than those of stewardship that have already been mentioned. Christians are "allowed" to spend money on entertainment, and this seems like it would qualify.

05-23-2003, 05:04 PM	#1
dan4christ Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	2003 OOTP5 Pay League with cash prizes starting in near future.. I am in the process of starting a OOTP5 pay league..with cash prizes.. here are the details i have so far. i would find the best 2003 rosters (probably totalminors 1.1) 1)$20 per sim season 2)Only one team per person (there may be more of these leagues to come) 3)We would use paypal and put all the money into a pool(PAYPAL) 4)The World Series winning team owner would get at least $200 after the season (3 months in real time) 5)To ensure that trades are legit, I am working on a system of accountability and trade rules. 6) Teams will be chosen on first come first serve basis. 7)There will be a team website , i would like to do the league like most ONLINE leagues as far message board..etc. 8)IF YOU ARE INTERESTED PLEASE EMAIL ME AT dan4christ@yahoo.com... with your email address, Top 3 team choices(teams matter, because of ballparks), and i will send you a reply with directions on what to do next. -Dan

05-23-2003, 05:09 PM	#2
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	I'll be interested to see whether this works or not. I think it could really cause some bad feelings..... __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

05-23-2003, 05:26 PM	#5
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	I'm not saying I don't like the idea. I just don't know if it would work. Are you planning to commish the league, and if so, will you be running a team? My recommendation for something like this is that you find a well-respected person (or a group of 3-5 people) with no interest in the league to settle disputes that may arise. These people should keep a really hands-off approach, and preferably not even know anything about the facts or people involved until called upon to decide something. Just my two cents. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

05-23-2003, 07:01 PM	#7
zeroIQ Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 143	At $20 a pop using 2003 rosters? I doubt you'll find more than 10 owners. Best of luck. __________________ <p>Lambs & Legends - Your path to stardom... or oblivion.

05-23-2003, 07:34 PM	#9
OCBLcommish Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 193	If you're charging $20 per team, like zeroIQ said, you're not going to get more than 10 owners. Who would pay $20 to take the Devil Rays, Padres, Brewers, Pirates, etc. If I put $20 in per season, I'd have to be verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry sure of the team I was taking. I wouldn't take a team that I thought was a good team and that would be competitive but doesnt have enough to go the distance. Not to mention the whole issue of guys who may try to cheat for that cash. __________________ EBM - Boston Red Sox

05-23-2003, 05:11 PM	#3
dan4christ Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	I agree that there are issues with it.. but it would no doubt be very competitive. There are some things i need to work through.. im just trying to see how much interest there is.. I know i would join in a heartbeat if i found a league like this.

05-23-2003, 05:18 PM	#4
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	This will also keeps teams from scrapping the entire team and building for the future unless they have 80 bucks to invest and see if they can win 2-3 titles

05-23-2003, 06:39 PM	#6
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	That wouldnt be a bad idea.

05-23-2003, 07:12 PM	#8
AccardoOutfit29 All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 531	Probably better off using an initial draft so every owner would have a shot.

05-23-2003, 09:40 PM	#10
dan4christ Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	LEAGUE I would not have a team in the league... There are 2 options.. please let me know which u like better... 1) Charge $20 per season per team, people with multiple teams cannot be in same division, nor can they trade between their teams. Each team market would be set to avg.. Following this there would be an ALL PLAYER draft. This would be a good, fair way to begin. 2) We would use REAL 2003 rosters The cost of each team would be based on how good or bad they are. For example, the Oakland A's and Yankees would be more than the avg.. and stinky teams like the Orioles and Devil rays would be like $5 or something like that. After each season.. each team would be evaluated and then given teams will be placed at different levels..There will be a new set of owners every season, but if you are already an owner you can repurchase the same team. So then there would be real benefit to rebuilding over a period of like 4 yrs or something... All it takes is one World Series to make it all worth it for you. This would make it an enjoyable long term league. AIM is hispoem20 let me know what u all think?

05-23-2003, 09:46 PM	#11
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	I think you might have more luck with 5 bucks a team and an initial draft. Thats just my guess.

05-23-2003, 10:04 PM	#12
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	won't work. Its been tried and it doesnt work. Also a comment: Dan4Christ, If your username gives example to your christian beliefs, doesnt running a league like this go against said beliefs? Isn't this a form of gambling which is frowned upon by the majority of the Christian community. If it doesnt speak of your beliefs, then nevermind.

05-23-2003, 10:13 PM	#13
dan4christ Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	I had heard that it has been tried.. id like to talk to people who tried it. Yes I am a christian, but I do not see this as gambling per se. Gambling is based on CHANCE, while there is a small amount of chance here, a lot of it is skill involved also. Most Christians have no problem trying to win a prize at a carnival, even though it costs $2 to throw a ring around a bottle. If there were such a league, i would join it, if it were in my budget. I think it would be very fun and competitive, which is sometimes lacking in some OOTP leagues (competition). I would rather have prizes rather than cash..but i think some people would rather have cash. X-Box online costs like $50 a year. ... It could also be that I am have a twisted view of gambling and I should be correct.. feel free to IM me and we can chat.. AIM - hispoem20 Dan

05-23-2003, 10:17 PM	#14
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	hehe, rest assured that there would be no deadbeat owners in this type of league

05-23-2003, 10:24 PM	#15
dan4christ Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	ill add one more thing...... which is better Christian stewardship...... joining a online league where u could VERY likely multiply your $20 or paying $50 for xbox online I would go with the 1st to be a better investment.

05-23-2003, 10:48 PM	#16
TC Dale Global Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,983	Be that as it may, stewardship or not, whoever runs the league does need to not have a team in this league. If you thought the threads flaming cheater Commissioners is bad now, wait till someone paid money to be in that league. Scott Vibert and Steve Kuffrey would have to lock that thread or delete it within minutes. I wholeheartedly recommend an outside person to run your league. It might be your idea and your baby, but if you intend it to continue and mature beyond the first year blues, you should not run it. People take their OOTP seriously. And if I was in your league, you can bet I would have serious doubts about the commissioner being a team owner in a PAY league. I am not speaking lightly. I am a member of 4 leagues, and all the commissioners are team owners as well. They are well respected leagues, and they earn their title of Commish daily. Folks in a PAY league in the leadership role NEED to be above blemish in EVERY way, EVERY DAY. I for one applaud you for attempting the league. I wish you the best. I hope you find good owners. I just feel it is doomed to fail, even with the best intentions. Maybe 8 years ago with Rotisserie baseball at it's peak....this might have worked. Today? No. __________________ ----------------------------------

05-23-2003, 10:54 PM	#17
dan4christ Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 39	Im sorry if I didnt make it clear ........but I will NOT be a team owner in the league.. i would simply be the commish.

05-24-2003, 11:26 AM	#20
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	And by the way, I'm not a Christian, but grew up in the church, and knew many people within the church who enjoyed the occasional trip to Vegas. I don't think there are any issues there with regard to Christianity, other than those of stewardship that have already been mentioned. Christians are "allowed" to spend money on entertainment, and this seems like it would qualify. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.