Question for people who have played Historical

[1998 Yankees]

How's this for the First "Subway Series"?

I "left" the Brooklyn Superbas in 1903 when the Baltimore Orioles became the New York Highlanders (precursors of you know who) - I couldn't hold myself back.

Well, apparently I had built quite an organization over there; Brooklyn has won seven (7) pennants in a row from 1901 through 1907!

Which makes the accomplishment here, with my upstart Highlanders, all the more satisfying (a heck of a Series, though - we were down 3-1 to Brooklyn but swept the last three after I made a change in my starting rotation):

[Chicagofan76]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

How's this for the First "Subway Series"?

I see the wrong NY team won again...How many is that for the future NYY?
starting kinda early on their way to 27.

Check out my thread for the 1st All Chicago World Series.
I left the Cubs when the Sox cam into existence in 1882, As a fan its what u gotta do.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

I see the wrong NY team won again...How many is that for the future NYY?
starting kinda early on their way to 27.

Heh, not in my "world."

I do seem to be getting the hang of OOTP 11, though, after failing for decades with the Superbas...

Say, I still can't reply to your PM's. You have something set wrong that prevents messages. So, I hope you don't mind if I post it here, with my response:

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

did u bother changing names or races in that era?

i was thinking about doing aleague like yours and doing a Dynasty report for it, but I have 4 leagues running right now

Well, one thing I did was eliminate all foreigners until many "years" from now. I could not see Dutch players in my league until the 60's or 70's maybe.

As far as names, I went to the Nation Editor for the U.S. and made U.S. Modern 90% and Hispanic 10%, nobody else. I like the results.

The league, as you saw in that thread (I'll post an update of the evolution in a few minutes), I'm letting it update itself.

Thanks for asking.

[1998 Yankees]

As best as I've been able to track it, here's the default MLB league evolution so far. Never mind the dates - I use April 1 for everything. The years are the first season that the changes take effect, although the game updates the first day of the previous offseason (so a change dated April 1, 1908 actually took place in late October 1907, say, after the season ended). This is manual typing, by the way, not the game making these log entries.

[Chicagofan76]

I have to remember to do that for my EBL league as far as being able to return the PM did ya check the box to send PM if the person isnt in your contacts list? I dont have u added to my contacts i dont think.

Playing historical is fun and in a way my EBL league will be a historical league since i left off with the 2038 season on High heat and i am redoing the league from scratch knowing what i now know of baseball compared to what I knew when i was 12.

So was that the 1st of 27+ for the Yankees?
My White Sox r 1-3 in world series play. bout to lose my 3 straight WS.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

as far as being able to return the PM did ya check the box to send PM if the person isnt in your contacts list? I dont have u added to my contacts i dont think.

I'll take a look at that. Maybe the problem is on my end? I can PM back and forth with other folks, though.

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

So was that the 1st of 27+ for the Yankees?

Well, this franchise goes all the way back to 1871 when they were the Baltimore Canaries/Orioles and so my team history shows their early championships - they won four out of five seasons in 1871-1875. I don't count them, though.

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

My White Sox r 1-3 in world series play. bout to lose my 3 straight WS.

Given the realistic results of short seven-game series determining the championship, I'd say getting there four or five times is pretty impressive by itself.

[BaseballMan]

How did you guys handle the Federal League?

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

in the game 1871 historical version the Brown Stockings started out in 1871 now in 1881 when the game expands the league by 8 teams. in stead of having the Louisville Eclipse be an expansion team it moved STL to LOU and made STL an exspansion team..... IRL the orig STL b- stockings were never the Louisville Eclipse. or the Eclipse were never the B-stockings.

The game handles all sorts of things differently than what happened IRL 19th century baseball. However it does handle the St. Louis Cardinals exactly as happened IRL. 1882: St. Louis Brown Stockings, 1883-1898: St. Louis Browns, 1899: St. Louis Perfectos, and 1900-present: St. Louis Cardinals. It has to meld together Baltimore Orioles teams to make up for their lack of existence until 1901, so you get St. Louis Brown Stockings > Louisville Eclipse > Louisville Colonels > Milwaukee Brewers > St. Louis Browns > Baltimore Orioles. I believe that's the order of things, but don't hold me to it. I think Markus does this to prevent the AI's head from asploding, which is a good thing. I think somewhere somebody (Baseball Man?) has a quickstart that features 19th century ball as it really happened, but this is one of very few things that I don't tinker with.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

How did you guys handle the Federal League?

That's a good question. I'm only up to 1908 so if I think of it, I'll come back in a few years (1915 or so) to let you know. I have a suspicion that a separate league will not be seen, but perhaps I will see a temporary expansion followed by a contraction two year later of the league that I am playing. More likely, though, is the Federal League will be ignored altogether.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

How did you guys handle the Federal League?

It came in for me as an auto-expansion to the AL splitting it into two 8-team divisions. The post season was messed up and declared the AL divional series champ as the world champion leaving poor Pittsburgh out in the cold.

I parted with the built-in history at that point and realigned to two 12 team leagues the following year. I think I'll re-locate the third NY STL and CHI teams soon.

[BaseballMan]

So the problem is that You can't use the FL abbreviation?
That's not a problem with the American Association as you don't have the AL to worry about.
So its either sit those players out or put them on other teams. You can't make the FL a minor league players would get minor league stats. Can You have the Federal League as a subleague with AL and NL abbreviations at the same time as the Majors?
Or you can just put the FL teams into the AL and NL.

[Chicagofan76]

why cant u use the FL abb.?

[mjj55409]

You guys have lost me. What is the issue with the Federal League?

You can create the Federal League as a separate major league without any problems.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

So the problem is that You can't use the FL abbreviation?
That's not a problem with the American Association as you don't have the AL to worry about.
So its either sit those players out or put them on other teams. You can't make the FL a minor league players would get minor league stats. Can You have the Federal League as a subleague with AL and NL abbreviations at the same time as the Majors?
Or you can just put the FL teams into the AL and NL.

Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

why cant u use the FL abb.?

Originally Posted by mjj55409

You guys have lost me. What is the issue with the Federal League?
You can create the Federal League as a separate major league without any problems.

Guys, I apologize. What I have been saying, or meaning to say, is that I am letting the historical league update itself only. I have not made any manual alterations to my fictional players / historical teams / major league.

Everything that I listed above in the log of league evolution has occurred because the game mandated it. I am comfortable with this; I am also curious to see how the game continues to automatically evolve based (loosely) on MLB history.

So, as I am in 1908 now, I am waiting to see if the game will do something to reflect the Federal League in 1914-1915. My guess is no.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by mjj55409

You guys have lost me. What is the issue with the Federal League?

You can create the Federal League as a separate major league without any problems.

I can't speak for others but for me its because the game won't do it automatically. Nor will players be drafted to their real teams automatically. There's nothing wrong with the way the game does early expansion as makes it easier for newbies and makes it more organized but some of us historical players want the chaos of baseball's beginings to mirror the real thing. I do think they might give a notice that the expansion from 1871-1900 doesn't follow real life so new customers are not confused by it.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

So, as I am in 1908 now, I am waiting to see if the game will do something to reflect the Federal League in 1914-1915. My guess is no.

I've gone through the teens twice now with the in-game auto-psuedo history. The first time, no Federal League appeared (and frankly, I didn't even think about it). The second time, all the Federal League teams appeared as a second AL division. The post season was a mess though as it crowned the AL playoff champion as the word champion and left the NL champs out in the cold.

That's when I de-coupled from the auto-historical in-game feature. I wanted to keep the expansion teams so I just realigned in the off season.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I've gone through the teens twice now with the in-game auto-psuedo history. The first time, no Federal League appeared (and frankly, I didn't even think about it). The second time, all the Federal League teams appeared as a second AL division. The post season was a mess though as it crowned the AL playoff champion as the word champion and left the NL champs out in the cold.

That's when I de-coupled from the auto-historical in-game feature. I wanted to keep the expansion teams so I just realigned in the off season.

Did you do anything different? That seems strange.
I'm working on making databases for the rookies of each league only and see if I can get them to go to their real teams automatically. Also checking transactions cause if player retires and comes back later for a new team I believe the computer will put him on his old team.

[1998 Yankees]

Thanks BaseballMan and Conn Chris. Well, I'm going to forge ahead and see what happens on auto-evolution. I will post here what happens in my situation.

NOTE: Bear in mind that I'm working with fictional players. No importing/retiring historical players according to Lahman. That may have an effect on things.

[David Ball]

I never saw this with the standard database, but after I put in one of the HS DB's I got the Federal League showing up as described above, as either a western or eastern division of the American League, (I can't remember which, and I have deleted it now) with all the teams correct and the NL remaining as the other subleague.

When I tried another league beginning in 1876 I also found that the game now had the eight charter franchises of the NL all istorically correct and placed in one subleague, rather than eight approximately correct teams split between two, while the second subleague now contained just four teams that I guess were intended to represent something like the International Association that operated in the late 1870's, although of course the IA did not include teams in Havana and Mexico City and London (it did have London, Ontario, though). I wanted to sim up to the middle '80's, just to see how it would handle the American and Union Associations, but I kept crashing around 1880 and had to give up and delete it.

[1998 Yankees]

Here's an update on my league's auto-evolution. Note that I am still not up to the Federal League era yet in order to answer the questions above. Soon!