Rule 5 Draft

fhomess · 02-01-2011, 12:49 PM

Will OOTP12 enforce the provisions of the Rule 5 draft? For example, the provision that players must stay on the 25-man roster all season long? I’m less worried about the financial aspect, which would be nice, too, as I am about the fact that you can draft a player in Rule 5 and then stick him in your minors. That’s just against the intent of the rule entirely.

fintach · 02-01-2011, 01:05 PM

That's a good question. Concerns about implementation are the reason I don't play with Rule 5.

mgom27 · 02-01-2011, 01:31 PM

Make it so all Rounds are for a League like 1st round draft from MLB then Triple-A and so on.

Matt Arnold · 02-01-2011, 01:37 PM

I think it does this now already. I remember claiming players from the rule 5 draft, and then when I tried to send them down, it said they had to be on the roster for the whole season (and thus to get rid of them I had to release them). Maybe that came in in a patch to 11?

RchW · 02-01-2011, 01:46 PM

I think it works unless the player is traded. After that the receiving team can send him down.

fhomess · 02-01-2011, 01:55 PM

I know I was able to send down a Rule 5 draft pick in my OOTP11 online league this season. At the time, I didn't recall he was a Rule 5 pick, and I promoted him again as soon as I discovered the error, but there was no trade or any other type of transaction involved. Sadly, he was actually worse in AAA for me than in the majors.

Biggio509 · 02-01-2011, 02:20 PM

LGO is the authority on this but by the rules I believe in RL teams can send down rule 5 picks but they have to clear waivers first. The team the player was picked from has first priority if they want the guy back, which is rare. I think after clearing waivers a rule 5 can be demoted. I have not tried putting a rule 5 pick on waivers so I don't know if this works in the game if you waive and DFA him. The problem is the OOTP rule is slightly off. It should be the guy must remain on the roster unless he clears waivers, IIRC. Also teams pay a fee to the team they pick the guy from when they rule 5 draft him.

Mike R · 02-01-2011, 05:25 PM

From Wikipedia
As in the amateur draft, the selection order of the teams is based on each team's win-loss record from the prior regular season, each round starting with the team with the worst record and proceeding in order to the team with the best record. Any player selected under Rule 5 is immediately added to his new team's 40-man roster; thus, teams who do not have an available roster spot may not participate in the Rule 5 draft. Players who are not currently on their team's 40-man roster are eligible to be selected in the Rule 5 draft, but only after a standard exemption period has elapsed. See Selection eligibility below.

If chosen in the Rule 5 draft, a player must be kept on the selecting team's 25-man major league roster for the entire season after the draft—he may not be optioned or designated to the minors. The selecting team may, at any time, waive the Rule 5 draftee. If a Rule 5 draftee clears waivers by not signing with a new MLB team, he must be offered back to the original team, effectively canceling the Rule 5 draft choice. Once a Rule 5 draftee spends an entire season on his new team's 25-man roster, his status reverts to normal and he may be optioned or designated for assignment.

To prevent the abuse of the Rule 5 draft, the rule also states that the draftee must be active for at least 90 days. This keeps teams from drafting players, then placing them on the disabled list for the majority of the season. For example, if a Rule 5 draftee was only active for 67 days in his first season with his new club, he must be active for an additional 23 games in his second season to satisfy the Rule 5 requirements.

Any player chosen in the Rule 5 draft may be traded to any team while under the Rule 5 restrictions, but the restrictions transfer to the new team. If the new team does not want to keep the player on its 25-man roster for the season, he must be offered back to the team of which he was a member when chosen in the draft.
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Selection eligibility

Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization's 40-man roster and:

– were signed at age 19 or older and have been in the organization for four years; or

– were signed at age 18 or younger and have been in the organization for five years.

The exemption periods were extended by one year in October 2006 as part of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The change took effect immediately, exempting many players from the 2006 Rule 5 draft even though they had been signed in some cases more than four years before the new agreement came into effect. Prior to the rule change, players were exempt from the first two or three Rule 5 drafts held after their signing (regardless of the year they were drafted), rather than from the first three or four Rule 5 drafts after their signing.
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Cost and example

To prevent excessive turnover in the minor league levels, each draftee costs $50,000. If the draftee does not stay on the selecting team's 25-man (major league) roster all season, the player must be offered back to his original team at half-price. Organizations may also draft players from AA or lower to play for their AAA affiliates (for $12,000) and may draft players from A teams or lower to play for their AA affiliates (for $4,000).

hefalumps · 02-01-2011, 09:59 PM

I tried enabling Rule 5 for a couple of virtual years in my OOTP11 league, but I ended up disabling it again because the AI did a poor job of managing the players it drafted. I didn't try optioning/DFAing any players I drafted (although I did trade one of them - I think I just released the other).

But I remember the Detroit Tigers in the early 80s drafted four subpar firstbasemen in the Rule 5 draft. They proceeded to waive/DFA guys like Lance Parrish and Alan Trammell to keep these scrub firstbasemen (who weren't even playing in games) in order to keep them on the roster. Then, to make matters worse, at some point in July, they finally DFAed the Rule 5 scrubs and sent them to the minors, which they shouldn't have been able to do. Why not just release them back in April or May?

Needless to say I became commish and intervened to "fix" the Tigers, and I disabled the Rule 5 draft. Haven't gone back since, so I hope OOTP 12 has improvements in this area. Once I convert I'll probably re-enable it for at least one season to see how it goes.

Le Grande Orange · 02-02-2011, 01:56 AM

Something related to the Rule 5 draft but not implemented in OOTP is the August 15th deadline for putting a player onto the 40-man roster. A player added to the 40-man roster between Aug. 15th and the Rule 5 Draft has many of the same restrictions against being returned to the minor leagues as does a player selected in the draft in December. The point of the rule was to prevent a club from putting a player onto the 40-man roster to protect him from the draft, then sending him right back to the minors after the draft was over, thereby circumventing the intent of the Rule 5 draft.

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Originally Posted by fhomess

Will OOTP12 enforce the provisions of the Rule 5 draft? For example, the provision that players must stay on the 25-man roster all season long? I’m less worried about the financial aspect...

In regards to the bolded, yes, it does cost an MLB club $50,000 to make a Rule 5 draft choice, but this amount is pocket change to an MLB club these days. Consider: $50,000 is less than 1/8th of the Major League minimum salary of $414,000. In fact, the last time the Rule 5 draft choice was raised was in 1987, when it doubled from $25,000 to $50,000. Back then, the ML minimum salary was $62,500—which meant the new Rule 5 price was 80% of the ML minimum salary. Were that ratio in effect now, the Rule 5 price would be $331,200.

In other words, the price to make a Rule 5 selection has not kept up with baseball inflation.

fhomess · 02-02-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

In other words, the price to make a Rule 5 selection has not kept up with baseball inflation.

This is largely why I wasn't worried about it. Without more involved finances, having this piece included seems a little bit silly. I'm also somewhat happy with the idea that it doesn't cost an MLB team much to gamble on a Rule 5 draft pick. The whole point is to encourage player movement, allowing players an opportunity they otherwise wouldn't have - which is good for them and good for the fans.

02-01-2011, 12:49 PM	#1
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,693	Rule 5 Draft Will OOTP12 enforce the provisions of the Rule 5 draft? For example, the provision that players must stay on the 25-man roster all season long? I’m less worried about the financial aspect, which would be nice, too, as I am about the fact that you can draft a player in Rule 5 and then stick him in your minors. That’s just against the intent of the rule entirely. __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

02-01-2011, 01:05 PM	#2
fintach Major Leagues Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 484	That's a good question. Concerns about implementation are the reason I don't play with Rule 5. __________________ Currently managing: The Bridgetown Gruffs History: Portland Purple Knights of the USBL: 1x NL Champs 1970-74 Berkeley Free Radicals of the BBL: 4x Division Title, 3x LCS, 2x Left Coast Cup Champions 2011 Portland River Dragons of the SPL: 1x Division Title 2011 Las Vegas Coyotes (MLB): half season before DH bored me to death.

02-01-2011, 01:31 PM	#3
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,533	Make it so all Rounds are for a League like 1st round draft from MLB then Triple-A and so on. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

02-01-2011, 01:46 PM	#5
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	I think it works unless the player is traded. After that the receiving team can send him down. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

02-01-2011, 01:55 PM	#6
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,693	I know I was able to send down a Rule 5 draft pick in my OOTP11 online league this season. At the time, I didn't recall he was a Rule 5 pick, and I promoted him again as soon as I discovered the error, but there was no trade or any other type of transaction involved. Sadly, he was actually worse in AAA for me than in the majors. __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

02-01-2011, 01:37 PM	#4
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,218	I think it does this now already. I remember claiming players from the rule 5 draft, and then when I tried to send them down, it said they had to be on the roster for the whole season (and thus to get rid of them I had to release them). Maybe that came in in a patch to 11?

02-01-2011, 02:20 PM	#7
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,027	LGO is the authority on this but by the rules I believe in RL teams can send down rule 5 picks but they have to clear waivers first. The team the player was picked from has first priority if they want the guy back, which is rare. I think after clearing waivers a rule 5 can be demoted. I have not tried putting a rule 5 pick on waivers so I don't know if this works in the game if you waive and DFA him. The problem is the OOTP rule is slightly off. It should be the guy must remain on the roster unless he clears waivers, IIRC. Also teams pay a fee to the team they pick the guy from when they rule 5 draft him.

02-01-2011, 05:25 PM	#8
Mike R Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 30	From Wikipedia As in the amateur draft, the selection order of the teams is based on each team's win-loss record from the prior regular season, each round starting with the team with the worst record and proceeding in order to the team with the best record. Any player selected under Rule 5 is immediately added to his new team's 40-man roster; thus, teams who do not have an available roster spot may not participate in the Rule 5 draft. Players who are not currently on their team's 40-man roster are eligible to be selected in the Rule 5 draft, but only after a standard exemption period has elapsed. See Selection eligibility below. If chosen in the Rule 5 draft, a player must be kept on the selecting team's 25-man major league roster for the entire season after the draft—he may not be optioned or designated to the minors. The selecting team may, at any time, waive the Rule 5 draftee. If a Rule 5 draftee clears waivers by not signing with a new MLB team, he must be offered back to the original team, effectively canceling the Rule 5 draft choice. Once a Rule 5 draftee spends an entire season on his new team's 25-man roster, his status reverts to normal and he may be optioned or designated for assignment. To prevent the abuse of the Rule 5 draft, the rule also states that the draftee must be active for at least 90 days. This keeps teams from drafting players, then placing them on the disabled list for the majority of the season. For example, if a Rule 5 draftee was only active for 67 days in his first season with his new club, he must be active for an additional 23 games in his second season to satisfy the Rule 5 requirements. Any player chosen in the Rule 5 draft may be traded to any team while under the Rule 5 restrictions, but the restrictions transfer to the new team. If the new team does not want to keep the player on its 25-man roster for the season, he must be offered back to the team of which he was a member when chosen in the draft. [edit] Selection eligibility Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization's 40-man roster and: – were signed at age 19 or older and have been in the organization for four years; or – were signed at age 18 or younger and have been in the organization for five years. The exemption periods were extended by one year in October 2006 as part of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The change took effect immediately, exempting many players from the 2006 Rule 5 draft even though they had been signed in some cases more than four years before the new agreement came into effect. Prior to the rule change, players were exempt from the first two or three Rule 5 drafts held after their signing (regardless of the year they were drafted), rather than from the first three or four Rule 5 drafts after their signing. [edit] Cost and example To prevent excessive turnover in the minor league levels, each draftee costs $50,000. If the draftee does not stay on the selecting team's 25-man (major league) roster all season, the player must be offered back to his original team at half-price. Organizations may also draft players from AA or lower to play for their AAA affiliates (for $12,000) and may draft players from A teams or lower to play for their AA affiliates (for $4,000).

02-01-2011, 09:59 PM	#9
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,392	I tried enabling Rule 5 for a couple of virtual years in my OOTP11 league, but I ended up disabling it again because the AI did a poor job of managing the players it drafted. I didn't try optioning/DFAing any players I drafted (although I did trade one of them - I think I just released the other). But I remember the Detroit Tigers in the early 80s drafted four subpar firstbasemen in the Rule 5 draft. They proceeded to waive/DFA guys like Lance Parrish and Alan Trammell to keep these scrub firstbasemen (who weren't even playing in games) in order to keep them on the roster. Then, to make matters worse, at some point in July, they finally DFAed the Rule 5 scrubs and sent them to the minors, which they shouldn't have been able to do. Why not just release them back in April or May? Needless to say I became commish and intervened to "fix" the Tigers, and I disabled the Rule 5 draft. Haven't gone back since, so I hope OOTP 12 has improvements in this area. Once I convert I'll probably re-enable it for at least one season to see how it goes.