Watch out action, diamond-mind and SOM...

[raiderheel9304]

...if OOTP11 actually has a replay mode with as played transaction dates and lineups, this could be the only baseball game I may ever need to buy. I am so pumped to be able to play any season without being nickel and dimed! Thank you so much OOTP for making OOTP the first baseball game truly inclusive of almost any "type" of simulation I would want to run. As soon as I hear confirmation of exactly how the transactions and lineups will work, I will be placing my pre-order!

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by raiderheel9304

...if OOTP11 actually has a replay mode with as played transaction dates and lineups, this could be the only baseball game I may ever need to buy. I am so pumped to be able to play any season without being nickel and dimed! Thank you so much OOTP for making OOTP the first baseball game truly inclusive of almost any "type" of simulation I would want to run. As soon as I hear confirmation of exactly how the transactions and lineups will work, I will be placing my pre-order!

Only thing missing will be the accuracy of pitcher stats.

[Cooleyvol]

Originally Posted by raiderheel9304

...if OOTP11 actually has a replay mode with as played transaction dates and lineups, this could be the only baseball game I may ever need to buy. I am so pumped to be able to play any season without being nickel and dimed! Thank you so much OOTP for making OOTP the first baseball game truly inclusive of almost any "type" of simulation I would want to run. As soon as I hear confirmation of exactly how the transactions and lineups will work, I will be placing my pre-order!

OOTP11 is for sale now. No need to preorder.

As for the bolded portion of your post...............I don't think OOTP offers 'as played transaction dates and lineups'.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

OOTP11 is for sale now. No need to preorder.

As for the bolded portion of your post...............I don't think OOTP offers 'as played transaction dates and lineups'.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

OOTP 12 will.

[Cooleyvol]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

OOTP 12 will.

Great............if that's your cup of tea. I certainly hope/expect that its able to be turned off. I have no interest in replaying history.

[Cooleyvol]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

OOTP 12 will.

Where exactly is this listed? I don't see it in the newsletter.

[Cornelius McGillicuddy]

It will be optional.

[ink625]

Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

Where exactly is this listed? I don't see it in the newsletter.

It's the first sentence in the section titled Greater Immersion and Realism and it says:

"Historical leagues benefit from improved AI and real life transactions and as-played lineups as optional features. Thanks to OOTP's sophisticated game engine, you'll be able to enjoy the most realistic historical simulation results possible. How would the 1927 Yankees fare against their 1961 counterparts?
In addition, storylines have been expanded, and there are new ways to interact with your players. News presentations have also been revamped, making you feel like you're part of the hectic 24-hour "better stay on top of this" news cycle that dominates today's sports reporting. "

[LeiterFanatic]

I know this sounds goofy on the face of it, but will we have the ability to play historical replays with transactions but also carry records and stats over from season to season?

[Charlie Hough]

Yes. That feature won't have anything to do with stats and record keeping.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by raiderheel9304

...if OOTP11 actually has a replay mode with as played transaction dates and lineups, this could be the only baseball game I may ever need to buy. I am so pumped to be able to play any season without being nickel and dimed! Thank you so much OOTP for making OOTP the first baseball game truly inclusive of almost any "type" of simulation I would want to run. As soon as I hear confirmation of exactly how the transactions and lineups will work, I will be placing my pre-order!

I don't think Action has anything to worry about.

[RonCo]

You don't need Diamond Mind or SOM or OOTP to do that. Here's a great place you can go to replay out history with perfect accuracy today.

The Directory of Major League Years

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by RonCo

You don't need Diamond Mind or SOM or OOTP to do that. Here's a great place you can go to replay out history with perfect accuracy today.

The Directory of Major League Years

That was a totally pointless comment since no replayer has ever said they are looking for a 100%, dead on accurate replay. Maybe one day it will soak in.

You and those who use the "an exact replay would be boring" argument are the only ones who keep bringing up "perfect" accuracy.

Just because some of us don't play an on-line, let the PC sim our games for us type of style doesn't mean our way isn't any good.

Personally, I don't see the point in letting the AI play out games because when it comes down to it all you're doing is reading the stats from a game you didn't actually participate in which is, oddly enough, what you do at your link there so I wouldn't go around knocking others without thinking about what your saying and looking at how you play. You're link is a lot more appropriate for your game play style.

But you do get an A for wasted effort with the post.

[LeiterFanatic]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

I don't think Action has anything to worry about.

Do you mean this ironically or not? I have been investigatiing Action as a follow-up to DMB and I wondered if it was any good.

[Cooleyvol]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

That was a totally pointless comment since no replayer has ever said they are looking for a 100%, dead on accurate replay. Maybe one day it will soak in.

You and those who use the "an exact replay would be boring" argument are the only ones who keep bringing up "perfect" accuracy.

Just because some of us don't play an on-line, let the PC sim our games for us type of style doesn't mean our way isn't any good.

Personally, I don't see the point in letting the AI play out games because when it comes down to it all you're doing is reading the stats from a game you didn't actually participate in which is, oddly enough, what you do at your link there so I wouldn't go around knocking others without thinking about what your saying and looking at how you play. You're link is a lot more appropriate for your game play style.

But you do get an A for wasted effort with the post.

Rage much Styx?

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by raiderheel9304

...if OOTP11 actually has a replay mode with as played transaction dates and lineups, this could be the only baseball game I may ever need to buy. I am so pumped to be able to play any season without being nickel and dimed! Thank you so much OOTP for making OOTP the first baseball game truly inclusive of almost any "type" of simulation I would want to run. As soon as I hear confirmation of exactly how the transactions and lineups will work, I will be placing my pre-order!

As a former customer of theirs, I'm tempted to dump on SOM for the bolded comment but I must recall that they have a different business model. IIRC, they get their annual revenue not so much by offering essentially the same game year after year, albeit with a few tweaks here and there, but by selling their season data files. OOTP gets revenue by reselling the game itself over and over, enticing resales with major enhancements and relying on the free (at least to us) Lahman's database. I think the annual costs of each are similar to dedicated fans.

[OBSL Commish]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

As a former customer of theirs, I'm tempted to dump on SOM for the bolded comment but I must recall that they have a different business model. IIRC, they get their annual revenue not so much by offering essentially the same game year after year, albeit with a few tweaks here and there, but by selling their season data files. OOTP gets revenue by reselling the game itself over and over, enticing resales with major enhancements and relying on the free (at least to us) Lahman's database. I think the annual costs of each are similar to dedicated fans.

Diamond Mind does essentially the same thing as SOM in that they don't update the game's AI or PBP that often but they generate revenue by selling season disks and projections disks each season. That gets very old and very costly each offseason when each disk costs from $20 to $40 depending on what you want. Plus, if you want to play historical seasons, those all cost extra. And, on top of that, once you get those, you're still stuck with the same bugs and glitches in the game for years at a time. That's why I've since come over to the good side! I did get around buying historical season disks by downloading a program called KADU which utilizes the Lahman database and allows you to import historical seasons and players into DMB. But, it is quite time-consuming and ultimately not all that satisfying.

One example: I did a fictional historical replay in which I made myself a major league SS. For projections, I used the stats I had during my last year of high school: .312, 7 HRs, 38 RBI, 12 SB, plus whatever other stats I could find but in 544 ABs rather than the 200 or so I actually had. I started off in 1989 with the Cardinals as Ozzie Smith's eventual replacement. I hit pretty close to what I had projected. But, in 1990, the game went haywire. I hit over .420 for eight straight years with at least 33 HR and 110 RBI every single year! My SBs fluctuated wildly: One season, I had 76, another 11, and I think I had over 100 one year. After asking around on the DMB forums, I found out this was a very common glitch for made-up players in Diamond Mind. I even lowered my projections by 30% and still hit well near or over .400 almost every year for 20 years! But nothing like that has happened with OOTP so far and I am fourteen years into my sims. Plus, I can actually communicate (somewhat) with the fictional me with OOTP and I don't have to wait years for glitches and bugs to be ironed out in the newer versions. I an definitely getting OOTP12 and I can't wait to see what it can do. Now, if I can only convince my girlfriend to leave me alone for at least an hour each night!

[jmknpk2]

This is one of the features I am really looking forward to.

Before I had ever heard of OOTP (or Season Ticket), I had played DMB. I had purchased some historical disks, but the entire collection was way out of my price range.

With OOTP, I can have the history of any given season in modern times. But with OOTP 11 and earlier, I could only have the snapshot at a given time. Say, the beginning of a season in my starting year. After that initial time point, the history (team ownership of players) diverges from reality.

Plus I'd have to guess at what the lineups might be. Guessing the lineup of one team is not too bad. But guessing for all teams in the league really adds up.

In the past, I have tried to play historical replays in order to re-live baseball history before I was born and become more familiar with the players in history. But when I've tried to keep the players on their real-life historical teams, entering all the transactions quickly becomes more trouble than it's worth.

If OOTP 12 adds this feature, I think I will enjoy reliving baseball history season by season. I don't expect to get historical results, stats wise and what not. But in my learning, I would love to know that I am playing out games with historically accurate lineups (including players from the appropriate teams).

I have heard so much about the black sox scandal. I would like to play out that season and get a feel for how much better than all the other teams they really were. This is the kind of historical replay I'm interested in.

[Mink Snopes]

I don't own the game yet, so am very vague on what it's able to do.

I noticed the following in the notice about OOTP 12:

2011 Major League Rosters

Here's a treat: the best roster set we've ever produced, from the big leagues' top stars to the guys making their debuts in rookie leagues. All players are individually rated with updated statistics and realistic contract data. Last year's top draft picks are included too. Could Bryce Harper and Stephen Strasburg, with the veteran leadership of newly-acquired All-Star Jayson Werth, help propel the Washington Nationals to the top of the National League East in coming seasons?

I am interested in playing current MLB seasons, using actual rosters with players whose performances ("true talent") have been projected for the current season, essentially, what Diamond Mind calls projection disks (a player's data table is based on his 3 most recent seasons, weighted toward the most recent, with an aging component).

Would the 2011 MLB roster set mentioned in the OOTP notice be something like the projection disk used by DMB, and if so, is it possible to play the 2011 season with OOTP in an essentially "closed" environment, that is, something like a historical replay, but using the 2011 roster with projected stats?

Thanks much for any info.

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

Rage much Styx?

In this case he was justified.

I like and admire RonCo, but in this instance he let the (long, embattled) history he shares with Styx entice him into setting up a 'straw man' to aim at. Styx set the straw man on fire.