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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998.
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Saves leader Trevor Hoffman retires
I love that final career saves number: 601. It's like something I would stage in OOTPB: stretching one last (sub par) season to just barely stumble across a numeric milepost finish line.
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All Star Starter
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Safety Harbor, FL
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Not me. I'll bet we can get a good HOF discussion? going too.
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Minors (Triple A)
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA
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AS a Reds fan I'd like to take credit for the saves record. If not for Hoffman's failure as a Reds infielder, he never would have become a pitcher.
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Hoffman is a class act.
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Toronto, ON
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As an example of how we overrate saves, I would take Billy Wagner before I would take Hoffman, Lee Smith, and John Franco, despite the fact that Wagner has the fewest saves of the quartet. Wagner was absolutely dominant and is incredibly underrated. Not saying I wouldn't take Hoffman, just saying yes to Wagner and Hoffman, no to Smith and Franco regardless of saves totals and I'd rank them: 1) Wagner 2) Hoffman 3) Smith 4) Franco with Mo Rivera in another galaxy from these four. Last edited by actionjackson; 01-12-2011 at 02:43 PM. |
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Hall Of Famer
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Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Overrated or not, saves are a part of baseball. The Hall of Fame is what it has been made, and not whatever we want it to be. If Goose Gossage, Bruce Sutter, and Rollie Fingers are Hall of Famers, then Trevor Hoffman is more than deserving. He is arguably the most dominant player ever at a position that most baseball fans feel is important to the game.
By the parameters set forth by Hall of Fame voters throughout the years, Trevor Hoffman is absolutely a Hall of Famer, and was a hell of a dominant pitcher and asset to his team for years, saves or no saves. If you want to start your own Hall of Fame that ignores Gold Gloves, batting average, saves, and all that other junk, then do it. Hell, do it here. I'll be your first supporter. It won't change Cooperstown's standards. Personally, I would have liked to see him play another year. 2010 was his first really terrible year, and just the year before, he was his usual, dominant self. Dear Trevor Hoffman, Please come back to baseball and play for the Cubs. I assure you, you cannot make our bullpen worse. Love, Cub fans |
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