IBHOF 2011 Inductees

[jofre]

CANASTOTA, N.Y. (AP)—Mike Tyson, whose meteoric rise to the pinnacle of boxing and stunning fall from grace was legendary, was selected Tuesday for induction into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and Museum.

Three-division champion Julio Cesar Chavez of Mexico and Russian-born Kostya Tszyu, a junior welterweight champion, also were selected along with Mexican trainer Ignacio “Nacho” Beristain, referee Joe Cortez, and screenwriter Sylvester Stallone.

Posthumous honorees to be enshrined June 12, 2011 include: bantamweight Memphis Pal Moore, light heavyweight champion Jack Root, and middleweight Dave Shade in the old-timer category; British heavyweight John Gully in the pioneer category; promoter A.F. Bettinson; and broadcaster Harry Carpenter.

Inductees were voted on by members of the Boxing Writers Association of America and a panel of international boxing historians.

[IceTea]

I was there today and it was the largest crowd that I've ever witnessed for the announcement event. Most of the talk is of Mike Tyson with the surprise induction of Sly a close second. I think it was be a huge crowd this summer in Canastota.

[dragon29]

IceTea,

What are the offical dates for the induction weekend this year? Need it for hotel booking purposes.

[dragon29]

unless you are skipping Canastota to attend the Wizard of Oz-fest down the street in my old stomping grounds of Chittenango, Ny

[IceTea]

Hall of Fame Weekend

June 9-12

I was through Chittenango last week and saw the Wizard of Oz signs.

[jofre]

I have a real problem with the dictatorial reins of Ed Brophy and as such will no longer attend the IBHOF induction weekend.

Ed Brophy has never revealed how this whole thing works—let alone revealed the number of votes each nominee receives. The Baltimore Veteran Boxers Association has tried in vain to find out how many votes shy Harry Jeffra has been to election.

Consequently, I no longer see the relevance of the IBHOF when the names of Sven Ottke, Naseem Hamed, Sammy Serrano, etc. are on the ballot to the exclusion of Tony DeMarco, Davey Moore, Gus Lesnevich and other worthy but forgotten fighters . It seems obvious that Ed Brophy goes out of his way to ensure that the ballots include a lot of living people with greater emphasis on fighters from post 1985 to present.

[IceTea]

I've been mentioning Eddie Booker and Sumbu Kalambay for sometime. Harry Jeffra should be in as well as the others you have mentioned. I shall miss your presence in June.

[bear]

I've already booked my room

[jofre]

Originally Posted by IceTea

I've been mentioning Eddie Booker and Sumbu Kalambay for sometime. Harry Jeffra should be in as well as the others you have mentioned. I shall miss your presence in June.

Eddie Booker, Tiger Jack Fox, Ken Overlin, Harry Jeffra. The IBHOF is no longer relevant in my eyes. I'm done with them. I will miss seeing all of you. That was the best part of the weekend.

[jofre]

Originally Posted by bear

I've already booked my room

Bear, Take care of the boys for me. Jack, Phil and Austin are still planning to attend. As for me...... I'm done!!!!!!

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by jofre

Eddie Booker, Tiger Jack Fox, Ken Overlin, Harry Jeffra. The IBHOF is no longer relevant in my eyes. I'm done with them. I will miss seeing all of you. That was the best part of the weekend.

* I forgot about Tiger Jack Fox, another that is overlooked. I used to root for autographs, but over the past three, I've just chatted with people that I've met over the years. That is the best part of the event. Well, that and the autograph/memorabilia show. I enjoy the workouts and the ringside chats as well.

[ThirdPartyView]

Originally Posted by jofre

I have a real problem with the dictatorial reins of Ed Brophy and as such will no longer attend the IBHOF induction weekend.

Ed Brophy has never revealed how this whole thing works—let alone revealed the number of votes each nominee receives. The Baltimore Veteran Boxers Association has tried in vain to find out how many votes shy Harry Jeffra has been to election.

Consequently, I no longer see the relevance of the IBHOF when the names of Sven Ottke, Naseem Hamed, Sammy Serrano, etc. are on the ballot to the exclusion of Tony DeMarco, Davey Moore, Gus Lesnevich and other worthy but forgotten fighters . It seems obvious that Ed Brophy goes out of his way to ensure that the ballots include a lot of living people with greater emphasis on fighters from post 1985 to present.

Isn't a big issue that fighters that retired after 1942 are lumped in with the fighters of the last few decades and a significant chunk of the BWAAwriters that are allowed to vote on Modern inductees are not historian types that would be able to analyze guys like Cocoa Kid and Tiger Jack Fox since they would only have a passing knowledge (if any) to properly assess their worth?

[jofre]

The IBHOF is in deep trouble after reading this article.

My views are pretty clear from earlier posts.

Looking for boxing Hall contenders
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports Jun 23, 11:28 am EDT

It’s always a glorious event when boxing’s greats are inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. But the Hall may be on the brink of some lean years.

There are few slam-dunk choices among active fighters for induction; indeed, of the men in the top 10 of Yahoo! Sports’ June rankings, only three are a cinch to make the Hall.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is not eligible for the poll until after he fights Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17 in Las Vegas – and he’s been inactive for more than a year. Thus, only top-ranked Manny Pacquiao, No. 4 Juan Manuel Marquez and No. 8 Bernard Hopkins can safely begin working on their acceptance speeches.

Among active boxers, only Pacquiao, Mayweather, Marquez, Roy Jones Jr., Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Evander Holyfield and Hopkins are locks for induction among active fighters.

There are a number of other active fighters who are very likely to gain induction, but the pool isn’t as deep as you might think. So, before we unveil the newest ratings, ponder these potential Hall of Famers:

Lead-pipe cinches (8) – These men will earn induction into the Hall of Fame five years after their retirement even if they never win another fight: Marco Antonio Barrera, Evander Holyfield, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr., Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Erik Morales and Manny Pacquiao.

Very likely (8) – These men will most likely make it, but a few more quality wins would help the cause: Ivan Calderon, Miguel Cotto, Carl Froch, Chris John, Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko, Rafael Marquez and Shane Mosley.

More likely than not (4) – These fighters have had good careers and will probably make it, even though their résumés could use some help: Joel Casamayor, Vic Darchinyan, Fernando Montiel and Giovani Segura.

Andre Ward, Juan Manuel Lopez, Yuriorkis Gamboa and Sergio Martinez are putting together résumés which gain the attention of Hall of Fame voters. Each, though, still has a considerable way to go before becoming a realistic consideration.

[Jackyle]

Geez, Casamayor, Froch, John, Darchinyan, Marquez really?

Calderon, Montiel, and Segura not too sure.

Obviously all the lead pipe ones I agree with, and I agree on Cotto, The Klitschko's, and Mosley.

Obviously Martinez, Gamboa, Froch, and Ward are headed in the right direction. Juanma, not so much.

[jofre]

The names of Eddie Booker, Tiger Jack Fox, Gus Lesnevich, Cocoa Kid, Ken Overlin, Davey Moore (FW) and other worthy old-timers are never mentioned in any articles from writers with HOF voting privileges that I've seen.

[jofre]

Remember when Lyly Fitzsimmons shared his 2010 vote on The Boxing Scene. Here is the article.

Culling The Herd: One Man’s Picks For IBHOF 2010
Posted by: Lyle Fitzsimmons on 10/20/2009.
By Lyle Fitzsimmons

Trust me, I’ve had worse debut performances.

A few come to mind right away. But that’s… ahem, another story.
In this context a year ago, all three of the modern-era fighters eventually deemed worthy of induction into the International Boxing Hall of Fame – Lennox Lewis, Orlando Canizales and Brian Mitchell – had check marks next to their names as “Yes” votes on my inaugural Boxing Writers Association of America ballot.

Not bad for a first-time voter, if you ask me.
Still, the task gets no easier this time around.
No fewer than 45 boxers active for at least one fight since 1943 are again on the ballot for 2010 recognition, with voting done through Oct. 31 by BWAA members and select non-members chosen by the Hall’s board of directors.

Each “modern” voter chooses from one to 10 boxers, with the top three vote-getters punching a ticket. The IBHOF board chooses hall-worthy observers, non-participants, pioneers and old-timers.
Other inductees last year included promoter/matchmaker/publicist Bob Goodman, promoter Akihiko Honda, journalist Hugh McIlvanney and broadcaster Larry Merchant.
Here’s one man’s look at their potential new colleagues in 2010:

Georgie Abrams – Floored champion Tony Zale in failed 1941 middleweight title bid; lost decisions to Ray Robinson, Marcel Cerdan and Fred Apostoli. Vote: NO.

Horacio Accavallo – Seventy-five wins in 83 career fights; held WBA flyweight title in 1966-67. Vote: NO.

Joey Archer – Defeated Ray Robinson in Robinson’s final fight; two failed bids against middleweight champion Emile Griffith in 1966-67. Vote: NO.

Jose Becerra – Seventy-two wins in 79 career fights; held world bantamweight title in 1959-60. Vote: NO.

Johnny Bratton – Held NBA welterweight title in 1951; went 0-2-1 in three bouts with Kid Gavilan. Vote: NO.

Jimmy Carruthers – Held world bantamweight title from 1952-54; went 2-4 over six-fight comeback in 1961-62. Vote: NO.

Jung-Koo Chang – WBA light flyweight champion from 1983-89; 15 successful title defenses. Vote: YES.

Donald Curry – Held WBA, IBF and WBC welterweight titles between 1983-86; subsequently won WBC title at 154 pounds. Vote: NO.

Hiroyuki Ebihara – Held WBA/WBC flyweight titles in 1963-64; later held WBA championship in 1969. Vote: NO.

Tommy Farr – Won 81 of 126 career bouts; dropped 15-round decision to heavyweight champion Joe Louis in 1937. Vote: NO.

Tiger Jack Fox – Won 153 of 191 career bouts; fought professionally from 1928-50. Vote: NO.

Ceferino Garcia – Won 102 of 142 career bouts; held NYSAC world middleweight title in 1939-40. Vote: NO.

Betulio Gonzalez – Won 75 of 91 career bouts; three flyweight title reigns between 1972-79. Vote: NO.

Yoko Gushiken – Won WBA junior flyweight title in ninth career bout; made 13 successful title defenses. Vote: YES.

Naseem Hamed – Held WBO, IBF and WBC flyweight titles between 1995-2001; went 17-1 with 14 knockouts in 18 career championship bouts. Vote: YES.

Carlos Hernandez – Held WBA/WBC junior welterweight titles in 1965-66; lost subsequent WBA title bout in 1969. Vote: NO.

Rafael Herrera – Won WBA/WBC bantamweight titles from Ruben Olivares in 1972; subsequently held WBC championship in 1973-74. Vote: NO.

Al Hostak – Two reigns as NBA world middleweight champion; stopped twice in title bouts by Tony Zale. Vote: NO.

Harry Jeffra – Won 94 of 122 career bouts; held world titles at bantamweight and featherweight. Vote: NO.

Peter Kane – Held world flyweight title in 1938-39; won 88 of 99 career bouts. Vote: NO.

Cocoa Kid – Won 176 of 244 career bouts; held “colored” welterweight and middleweight world championships. Vote: NO.

Pone Kingpetch – Three flyweight championship reigns; won six of nine career title bouts. Vote: NO.

Santos Laciar – Two title reigns at 112 pounds, one at 115; won 12 of 16 career title bouts. Vote: YES.

Tippy Larkin – Won 136 of 153 career bouts; won world junior welterweight title in 1946. Vote: NO.

Jose Legra – Two reigns as WBC featherweight champion; won 134 of 150 career bouts. Vote: NO.

Danny Lopez – Held WBC featherweight title from 1976-1980; won all eight defenses inside the distance. Vote: NO.

Miguel (Happy) Lora – Held WBC bantamweight title from 1985-88; lost WBO championship tries in 1991 and 1993. Vote: NO.

Raul (Raton) Macias – World bantamweight champion between 1955-57; won one-fight comeback in 1962. Vote: NO. [It wasn't a comeback fight - it was a fight for charity]

Ernesto Marcel – Retired as WBA featherweight champion in 1974; defeated Alexis Arguello in final title defense. Vote: NO.

Lloyd Marshall – Won 71 of 100 career bouts; defeated Jake LaMotta by decision in 1944. Vote: NO.

Freddie Mills – Won 76 of 101 career bouts; captured world light heavyweight title in 1948. Vote: NO.

Rinty Monaghan – Won all four career title bouts; retired as world flyweight champion in 1950. Vote: NO.

Masao Ohba – Won final 19 bouts; held WBA flyweight title from 1970-73. Vote: NO.

Sven Ottke – Retired as IBF super middleweight champion in 2004; Won all 22 career title fights. Vote: YES.

Ken Overlin – Won 135 of 165 career bouts; held world middleweight title in 1940-41. Vote: NO.

Gustave Roth – Won 113 of 137 career bouts; held European welterweight, middleweight and light heavyweight titles. Vote: NO.

Lou Salica – Held world bantamweight titles in 1935 and again between 1939-42; lost to fellow nominee Harry Jeffra in final bout. Vote: NO.

Dave Sands – Won 97 of 110 career bouts; held Australian middleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight titles. Vote: NO.

Petey Scalzo – Won 90 of 112 career bouts; held world featherweight title in 1940-41. Vote: NO.

Samuel Serrano – Two reigns as WBA super featherweight champion; went 15-2-1 in 18 career title bouts. Vote: YES.

Yoshio Shirai – Held world flyweight title between 1952-54; lost two subsequent title tries against Pascual Perez. Vote: NO.

Kid Tunero – Won 97 of 148 career bouts; went 1-6-2 in final nine bouts before retirement at age 38. Vote: NO.

Wilfredo Vazquez – Held WBA titles at 118, 122 and 126 pounds; went 16-3-2 in 21 career title bouts. Vote: YES.

Myung-Woo Yuh – Two reigns as WBA light flyweight champion; won 20 of 21 career title bouts. Vote: YES.

Hilario Zapata – Two reigns as WBC light flyweight champion and one as WBA flyweight champion; went 18-5-2 in title bouts. Vote: YES.

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[IceTea]

Hopkins yes
Berrera yes
Jones Jr yes
Marquez, Juan Manuel yes
Mayweather Jr. yes
Morales, Erik yes
Pacquiao yes

Calderon yes
Cotto no , got hit too much and the title accomplishments are in an era when titles are watered down.

Froch too soon to tell, most likely no
John, Chris no
Klitschko, Vitali yes
Klitschko, Wlad yes
Marquez, Rafael no
Mosley yes

Casamayor no
Darchinyan no
Mantiel too soon to tell, but headed in the right direction
Segura too soon to tell, see Froch

Ward too soon to tell, but headed in the right direction
Juan Lopez no
Gamboa no
Sergio Martinez too soon to tell

Holly Holm yes
Christy Martin yes
Joe Calzaghe yes
L. Ali yes

Freddie Roach yes
Stich Duran yes

[jofre]

Would you choose some of the above over the likes of Eddie Booker, Ken Overlin, Harry Jeffra, Cocoa Kid, Ceferino Garcia, and the exclusion on the ballots of Davey Moore and Gus Lesnevich?

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by jofre

Would you choose some of the above over the likes of Eddie Booker, Ken Overlin, Harry Jeffra, Cocoa Kid, Ceferino Garcia, and the exclusion on the ballots of Davey Moore and Gus Lesnevich?

I was just judging the current edition. All of the above deserve induction.

[jofre]

Originally Posted by IceTea

I was just judging the current edition. All of the above deserve induction.

I should have known better to ask. You've always been in my corner when it comes to the old timers.

It's sad that the new voting block of so called boxing writers don't have a good grasp on true boxing history and the credentials of the old timers.

To give Sven Ottke the nod over the greats from the past (who fought when there were only 8 weight divisions) because he had 22 successful alphabet WBO title defenses against mediocre quality shows a complete lack of boxing knowledge.