Talk Sports' Mixed Martial Arts Thread - Page 18

Big Willis 16 · 04-18-2010, 04:12 AM

Did anyone else catch the disgrace that happened in the ring after Strikeforce tonight? It's incidences like that which turned me away from boxing. I'd go as far as saying it was setup, but Jake Shields seemed pretty upset about it afterwards.

CD1083 · 04-18-2010, 10:46 AM

I just read about it. The fact of the matter is, MMA attracts certain types of people. It's inevitable that things like this happen from time to time. This does not excuse what happened, in fact it it means that promoters like Dana White and Scott Coker have a responsibility to nip these problems in the bud. Shields should be punished, not because he did anything wrong but because his entourage acted on his behalf, they should be punished as a group. Whether it be stripped of the title or fined.

This is 2 weeks in a row where MMA has received a black eye, first with Silva and now with Shields (thought he was not directly responsible). If MMA ever wants to be taken seriously it needs to ensure that people do not question the legitimacy of the sport. As an MMA fan myself, I'm already getting turned off with the actions of the fighters. If I wanted to watch 2 frat guys roll around on the ground, I'd go to the bar.

dudeosu · 05-09-2010, 02:20 AM

And Shogun takes the belt from Machida. Was wholly a different fight in almost every way.

But as if MMA didn't need another controversy, Paul Daley cheap shots Josh Koscheck after their fight. Wonder if we'll be seeing him in the UFC anymore.

hayesb26 · 05-09-2010, 02:50 AM

announced on post fight that hes been cut from ufc. not endorsing it, but i want to hear what koscheck was saying in his ear the whole third round. he admitted it was worse than ragging on daley's mother. if it was anything race related, i wouldnt honestly mind the late punch to the face..

Raderick · 05-09-2010, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dudeosu

And Shogun takes the belt from Machida. Was wholly a different fight in almost every way.

But as if MMA didn't need another controversy, Paul Daley cheap shots Josh Koscheck after their fight. Wonder if we'll be seeing him in the UFC anymore.

That was the kind of sucker punch that gets someone banned from MMA in North America. I highly doubt he'll be given a license to fight anywhere (unless it's in a cheap Indian reservation casino show) for a long time.

Erik W. · 05-09-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hayesb26

if it was anything race related, i wouldnt honestly mind the late punch to the face..

While anything is possible when it comes to Koscheck's mouth, that would surprise me a bit given Josh's own genetic makeup.

Jeremy Weimer · 05-09-2010, 03:49 PM

Overall I thought it was a pretty good PPV. Was hoping for a little longer fight between Rua and Machida but I can't complain because it was a pretty good fight.

I'm not condoning what Daley did, but I don't like Koscheck in the slightest so I find myself really not caring that much about what happened.

Big Willis 16 · 05-09-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

I'm not condoning what Daley did, but I don't like Koscheck in the slightest so I find myself really not caring that much about what happened.

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dudeosu · 06-27-2010, 12:11 PM

Although I skipped it not expecting an upset, that's exactly what happened last night as Fabricio Werdum submits Fedor Emelianenko.

CD1083 · 06-27-2010, 12:22 PM

Maybe we'll stop hearing all the Fedor lovers scream that he would destroy Brock Lesnar. Of course that may still happen if Carwin takes Lesnar to school.

BrentBlades · 06-28-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dudeosu

Although I skipped it not expecting an upset, that's exactly what happened last night as Fabricio Werdum submits Fedor Emelianenko.

As Bas Rutten said, "That's what happens when you don't get to hand pick your opponent"

dudeosu · 06-28-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

Maybe we'll stop hearing all the Fedor lovers scream that he would destroy Brock Lesnar. Of course that may still happen if Carwin takes Lesnar to school.

Even if Brock gets past Carwin (which I'm beginning to doubt), he'll be hard pressed to then make it through Cain Velazquez and Junior Dos Santos (assuming he beats Roy Nelson). Dos Santos, mind you, is the same guy that blasted Werdum not too long ago. I'd still like to see Brock vs. Fedor at some point, but it might be "past it prime" by then (see Liddell vs Silva).

dudeosu · 10-22-2010, 12:31 PM

Big card tomorrow with a ton of potentially exciting fights. First and foremost being Lesnar vs. Velasquez. Also get the UFC debut of Jake Shields who may be the last threat to GSP's crown. I'm looking forward to every one of the main card fights and even the undercard fights have a couple of gems.

I'm not particularly good at picking fights (about as good as a coin), but here's what I got going down:
Schaub over Gonzaga - KO
Hamill over Ortiz - Decision
Thiago over Sanchez - submission (choke)
Shields over Kampmann - Decision
Lesnar over Velasquez - TKO

I think Velasquez will have trouble with Brock's size and doesn't have Carwin's KO power. Brock will wear him down in the first with top control then pound him out in the second.

CD1083 · 10-22-2010, 01:25 PM

Did Brock win you over with his victory over Carwin?

dudeosu · 10-22-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

Did Brock win you over with his victory over Carwin?

A little bit, although I think Carwin showed the way to beat Brock. I bet the person that will end up beating Brock will be a heavy handed striker. Either Junior Dos Santos or Carwin (in a rematch) does it. I don't think Velasquez has the punching power to pull it off. Though, he does have good, fast striking.

statfreak · 10-22-2010, 02:08 PM

I watched the Brock / Carwin match recently on SpikeTV. Another referee may have ended that match in the first when Carwin was pounding away and Lesnar was covering up. I don't think I really like Brock, but I do think he is good for the sport and would like to see him continue to win because it does make a good story.

I really wish it was Liddell vs Ortiz. At least that would have generated some heat for the fight.

CD1083 · 10-22-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dudeosu

A little bit, although I think Carwin showed the way to beat Brock. I bet the person that will end up beating Brock will be a heavy handed striker. Either Junior Dos Santos or Carwin (in a rematch) does it. I don't think Velasquez has the punching power to pull it off. Though, he does have good, fast striking.

I think you're right that if Brock goes down it will be to a heavy handed striker, but I'm not sure it's going to be so soon. Brock keeps getting better. He's still new to the sport and considering what he came back from for his last fight I think it's safe to say we haven't seen Brock in his prime yet and that's scary.

dudeosu · 10-22-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

I think you're right that if Brock goes down it will be to a heavy handed striker, but I'm not sure it's going to be so soon. Brock keeps getting better. He's still new to the sport and considering what he came back from for his last fight I think it's safe to say we haven't seen Brock in his prime yet and that's scary.

I wonder what would be next for Brock if he does get through Velasquez and JDS. The UFC has doesn't have many legit title threats after those guys who haven't already fought Brock. The UFC may have to think about bringing in Alistair Overeem. That may end up working out, though, because by the time Brock would be done with JDS, Overeem should be done messing around in K-1.

CD1083 · 10-24-2010, 01:35 AM

Wow, Brock got Rocked.

He took it like a man though. Diego Sanchez was the highlight of the night though, the rest of the card was a snore.

Big Willis 16 · 10-24-2010, 02:16 AM

WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

The card was a little boring. But I did enjoy the Gonzaga fight and the Tito/Hammill fight.

04-18-2010, 04:12 AM	#341
Big Willis 16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,616	Did anyone else catch the disgrace that happened in the ring after Strikeforce tonight? It's incidences like that which turned me away from boxing. I'd go as far as saying it was setup, but Jake Shields seemed pretty upset about it afterwards. __________________ A wise man once said "shutup and drink your beer!"

10-22-2010, 02:08 PM	#356
statfreak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,434	I watched the Brock / Carwin match recently on SpikeTV. Another referee may have ended that match in the first when Carwin was pounding away and Lesnar was covering up. I don't think I really like Brock, but I do think he is good for the sport and would like to see him continue to win because it does make a good story. I really wish it was Liddell vs Ortiz. At least that would have generated some heat for the fight. __________________ Roll out the barrel!

10-24-2010, 02:16 AM	#360
Big Willis 16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,616	WOOOOOOOOOO!!!! The card was a little boring. But I did enjoy the Gonzaga fight and the Tito/Hammill fight. __________________ A wise man once said "shutup and drink your beer!"

04-18-2010, 10:46 AM	#342
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	I just read about it. The fact of the matter is, MMA attracts certain types of people. It's inevitable that things like this happen from time to time. This does not excuse what happened, in fact it it means that promoters like Dana White and Scott Coker have a responsibility to nip these problems in the bud. Shields should be punished, not because he did anything wrong but because his entourage acted on his behalf, they should be punished as a group. Whether it be stripped of the title or fined. This is 2 weeks in a row where MMA has received a black eye, first with Silva and now with Shields (thought he was not directly responsible). If MMA ever wants to be taken seriously it needs to ensure that people do not question the legitimacy of the sport. As an MMA fan myself, I'm already getting turned off with the actions of the fighters. If I wanted to watch 2 frat guys roll around on the ground, I'd go to the bar.

05-09-2010, 02:20 AM	#343
dudeosu Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 373	And Shogun takes the belt from Machida. Was wholly a different fight in almost every way. But as if MMA didn't need another controversy, Paul Daley cheap shots Josh Koscheck after their fight. Wonder if we'll be seeing him in the UFC anymore.

05-09-2010, 02:50 AM	#344
hayesb26 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 267	announced on post fight that hes been cut from ufc. not endorsing it, but i want to hear what koscheck was saying in his ear the whole third round. he admitted it was worse than ragging on daley's mother. if it was anything race related, i wouldnt honestly mind the late punch to the face..

05-09-2010, 03:49 PM	#347
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Overall I thought it was a pretty good PPV. Was hoping for a little longer fight between Rua and Machida but I can't complain because it was a pretty good fight. I'm not condoning what Daley did, but I don't like Koscheck in the slightest so I find myself really not caring that much about what happened.

06-27-2010, 12:11 PM	#349
dudeosu Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 373	Although I skipped it not expecting an upset, that's exactly what happened last night as Fabricio Werdum submits Fedor Emelianenko.

06-27-2010, 12:22 PM	#350
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Maybe we'll stop hearing all the Fedor lovers scream that he would destroy Brock Lesnar. Of course that may still happen if Carwin takes Lesnar to school.

10-22-2010, 12:31 PM	#353
dudeosu Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 373	Big card tomorrow with a ton of potentially exciting fights. First and foremost being Lesnar vs. Velasquez. Also get the UFC debut of Jake Shields who may be the last threat to GSP's crown. I'm looking forward to every one of the main card fights and even the undercard fights have a couple of gems. I'm not particularly good at picking fights (about as good as a coin), but here's what I got going down: Schaub over Gonzaga - KO Hamill over Ortiz - Decision Thiago over Sanchez - submission (choke) Shields over Kampmann - Decision Lesnar over Velasquez - TKO I think Velasquez will have trouble with Brock's size and doesn't have Carwin's KO power. Brock will wear him down in the first with top control then pound him out in the second.

10-22-2010, 01:25 PM	#354
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Did Brock win you over with his victory over Carwin?

10-24-2010, 01:35 AM	#359
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Wow, Brock got Rocked. He took it like a man though. Diego Sanchez was the highlight of the night though, the rest of the card was a snore.