Crazy League Setup. Will it work?

klonewarrior · 09-27-2010, 11:14 PM

Ive been working on an immense leage setup using the 2010 MLB rosters with a complete minor system of AAA, AA, A, Short A, Rookie Leagues. I created the Mexican League, and Cuban League. I also created a 64 team NCAA feeder league, and a 36 team High School Feeder League. I just added a Independent league based on the Frontier League.

Just wondering whats the largest global league setup you have created? Did it work? What problems could arise from a large setup like this?

Petepont · 09-27-2010, 11:41 PM

I did a couple of massive leagues, and while they were great, they 1) Took forever to simulate even one day, and 2) took up a really big amount of space. They can be very fun, but unless you have a very fast computer, I could see the game being bogged down quite a bit.

GEP · 09-28-2010, 08:55 AM

I have a league that uses all the pre-set leagues -- MLB with full minors, Japan with minors, Taiwan, Korea, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Venezuela -- along with a 64 team NCAA feeder league, a 32 team junior college feeder league, a 50 team high school feeder league, and high school feeders for each of the foreign teams (number of teams in each feeder equal to number of teams in the main league for that country).

The database is about 1 GB and it takes forever to save and load, but I haven't really seen any in-game performance issues. And I'm on a 6-year-old G5 Mac.

The main issue I've found is that, with all those low-level foreign teams, it's pretty easy to make trades that are both mutually-beneficial and kind of abusive. E.g., trade three guys you were about to cut from AAA to a Cuban League team for their best prospect. Your AAA players are probably better than the Cuban League team's regular starters, just because of league talent differences, but that prospect can be equivalent to a 1st or 2nd round pick. So, you're getting a great future player for basically nothing, while the Cubans are really improving their current team. If you allow that kind of trade, you can really stock your minors little or no cost to yourself.

klonewarrior · 09-28-2010, 01:24 PM

I wasn't going to allow my Cuban or Japanesse teams to trade with MLB teams. I was going to have 'defections' from Cuba, and Japanesse players to maybe come to the MLB via free agency, and vice versa if American players would be signed by Japanesse leagues.

I set up my independent league with a really low payroll, with just single year contracts that average about 25k, and there is only 8 teams.

superdaws · 09-30-2010, 03:03 PM

I used to always create games with every league that shipped with the game and frequently ended up adding "independent" leagues. Aside from the stuff people have already mentioned the biggest problem I encountered was with compensation for draft picks for type A and B free agents. Here is what typically would happen.

I'd let a player walk in free agency. He'd sign with a winter league team for a one year contract that expired before the MLB season would start. After the winter league season was over he'd become a free agent and sign with a major league team. I would not receive any compensation because he played winter ball, IRL I don't that A) an MLB free agent would risk injury in winter ball, and B) MLB wouldn't care if he did play winter ball and would still award draft pick compensation once he signed with an MLB team. But I can't think of any real life situation where that happened so I can't be sure.

To work around the issue I just got in the habit of trading anyone who I'd let walk as a free agent by the trading deadline.

I'm not doing the huge league right now, just MLB, and Japan with minors and feeders.

PS. When I say winter league I am talking about Dominican, Mexican, Puerto Rican and Venezuelan winter leagues, not Hawaii or Arizona.

09-27-2010, 11:14 PM	#1
klonewarrior Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 112	Crazy League Setup. Will it work? Ive been working on an immense leage setup using the 2010 MLB rosters with a complete minor system of AAA, AA, A, Short A, Rookie Leagues. I created the Mexican League, and Cuban League. I also created a 64 team NCAA feeder league, and a 36 team High School Feeder League. I just added a Independent league based on the Frontier League. Just wondering whats the largest global league setup you have created? Did it work? What problems could arise from a large setup like this?

09-27-2010, 11:41 PM	#2
Petepont Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Behind You Posts: 222	I did a couple of massive leagues, and while they were great, they 1) Took forever to simulate even one day, and 2) took up a really big amount of space. They can be very fun, but unless you have a very fast computer, I could see the game being bogged down quite a bit.

09-28-2010, 08:55 AM	#3
GEP Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 132	I have a league that uses all the pre-set leagues -- MLB with full minors, Japan with minors, Taiwan, Korea, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Venezuela -- along with a 64 team NCAA feeder league, a 32 team junior college feeder league, a 50 team high school feeder league, and high school feeders for each of the foreign teams (number of teams in each feeder equal to number of teams in the main league for that country). The database is about 1 GB and it takes forever to save and load, but I haven't really seen any in-game performance issues. And I'm on a 6-year-old G5 Mac. The main issue I've found is that, with all those low-level foreign teams, it's pretty easy to make trades that are both mutually-beneficial and kind of abusive. E.g., trade three guys you were about to cut from AAA to a Cuban League team for their best prospect. Your AAA players are probably better than the Cuban League team's regular starters, just because of league talent differences, but that prospect can be equivalent to a 1st or 2nd round pick. So, you're getting a great future player for basically nothing, while the Cubans are really improving their current team. If you allow that kind of trade, you can really stock your minors little or no cost to yourself.

09-28-2010, 01:24 PM	#4
klonewarrior Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 112	I wasn't going to allow my Cuban or Japanesse teams to trade with MLB teams. I was going to have 'defections' from Cuba, and Japanesse players to maybe come to the MLB via free agency, and vice versa if American players would be signed by Japanesse leagues. I set up my independent league with a really low payroll, with just single year contracts that average about 25k, and there is only 8 teams.

09-30-2010, 03:03 PM	#5
superdaws Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 41	I used to always create games with every league that shipped with the game and frequently ended up adding "independent" leagues. Aside from the stuff people have already mentioned the biggest problem I encountered was with compensation for draft picks for type A and B free agents. Here is what typically would happen. I'd let a player walk in free agency. He'd sign with a winter league team for a one year contract that expired before the MLB season would start. After the winter league season was over he'd become a free agent and sign with a major league team. I would not receive any compensation because he played winter ball, IRL I don't that A) an MLB free agent would risk injury in winter ball, and B) MLB wouldn't care if he did play winter ball and would still award draft pick compensation once he signed with an MLB team. But I can't think of any real life situation where that happened so I can't be sure. To work around the issue I just got in the habit of trading anyone who I'd let walk as a free agent by the trading deadline. I'm not doing the huge league right now, just MLB, and Japan with minors and feeders. PS. When I say winter league I am talking about Dominican, Mexican, Puerto Rican and Venezuelan winter leagues, not Hawaii or Arizona.