Are you ok with OOTP11 not having any more patches?

[kckid4u]

Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

My apologies for trying to use a relative's laptop when drunk.

Wink wink.

[canadiancreed]

Anyways back on topic, I'm fine with it right at the moment. Beats anything else I've ran into that meets my need for a baseball sim.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Well, you'll have to excuse my relative inexperience with historical leagues, but that does seem like a problem. I'm surprised that no one else seems to have attempted those exact conditions. Please excuse me for asking, but you never mentioned logging this in the bug tracking system. I hope that you did, in fact, do that? If so, did you get a response? The developers check that area for bug reports, not the forums.

Edit: Reading over this again, I'm still not clear on exactly what you were trying to do that caused this problem. What exactly did you attempt to modify?

It will only happen when you play with a modified stats folder (I modify a whole bunch of things: among them the Master.csv file), and when you play using Neutralized Stats. If you want to make the modifications stick, you have to remove the historical database.odb file from the stats folder, because it will just override all your hard work lickety split. Even simply removing the .odb file with no changes to the other files in the stats folder and using Neutralized Stats will cause all the players in the initial import to literally turn to stone when in the field.

However, in subsequent draft classes, everything is hunky dory and the fielders import with the ability to catch the ball with varying degrees of proficiency. Therefore the workaround is to delete the initial import and re-import the players one at a time through the Historical Player Import option.

Don't ask me why this works. I'm only smart enough to have stumbled upon the workaround, not to know why it works - all I know is that it does. This workaround is "reasonable" back in 1871 - not so much in modern seasons.

Hopefully the fact that this only happens to the initial import will set off alarm bells for Markus and cause him to have an "Eureka" moment and fix the problem. The other alternative would be to offer some sort of Mass Select Historical Player Import option. Obviously fixing the problem (which happened between X and 11 during the necessary fielding rating repairs) would be the best alternative, and hopefully that will happen eventually.

This issue has been noted/reported by members who contribute far more than I do to this forum/game like Spritze, Gambo, Bristolduke, oldtimer and Biggio509 among others. I reported the bug by logging a ticket in the bug reporting system back when I found it. It may have been closed despite the fact that the problem remains. I have however had a back and forth with oldtimer, who not only plays the way I do, but is a member of the volunteer bug system tracking team/conglomerate/amalgamation. He tells me he'll keep reminding Markus until it's fixed (which I realize sadly may not be until 12, should I decide to purchase it). Hopefully with him in our corner, we can get this resolved and get back to what we all came here to do: playing the damn game.

Thanks for taking the time to have a look at that thread though Nutlaw. It is appreciated. Even Gordon Gekko after all that time in jail seems to realize that "Money isn't the prime currency. Time is.", if the ads for Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps are to be believed. How ironic given Michael Douglas' recent cancer diagnosis.

EDIT: Just so we're crystal clear, this problem did not exist in versions 7, 8, 9, and X according to the vets. It cropped up in 11 with the fielding ratings fix. I myself haven't played like this with 8, but I was able to do so with X without issue AFAIK. That is to say the fielding ratings for better or worse were all there despite my incessant tinkering. To paraphrase Mr. Database (Spritze) himself: It would be a shame to lose the ability to tinker with the stats folder because that ability is one of the main attractions of OOTP.

[Malleus Dei]

My nephew has informed me that he is leaving the board over my bad conduct. That simply isn't right. So I'll be leaving instead and telling him to return.

Hanging around here at the moment is pretty pointless for me anyway. 70% of you don't mind a bit that the statistical emperor of the game has absolutely no clothes on whatsoever, Markus isn't paying attention like he should, and there won't be any more patches or a new game until April of 2011, which is a lot of months and a Hell of a lot of beers from now. There really ain't a Hell of a lot of point to hanging around because there's nothing to have any effect on.

Besides, I can spend the fifteen minutes a day I used to spend here learning even more useful tips and tricks on the barbecue boards. One day soon the state brisket championship will be mine!

I'll miss some of you: Sil, Styx, Statfreak, and maybe even some of you whose names don't start with an "S."

What I will not miss is the evil, biased, double-standard moderation that has always been the sorry trademark of this board. One day someone unbiased and competent who will actually do things right will become a moderator here...no doubt on the same day that pigs fly.

Those of you with brains and good sense: please keep up the fight for a better, more accurate game, free of legacy bugs and with accurate stats.

Skeeter, Flash, Blinky; you'll have to call or stop by now if you want to chat about baseball with me now. Bring beer but no laptops.

If the rest of you need me I'm at malleusdei (at) gmail.com or call if you have the number.

Adios,

Lucky (shockingly enough, it's my real life nickname!)

[silvam14]

Come on Mal! Nobody is asking for anyone to leave the boards.

[canadiancreed]

Good to see this stayed on topic. Lock on aisle five?

[BusterKing]

A moderator shouldn't assume that someone is posting from different names, it is insulting to be accused as such.

In my clan for example, I get notified as the website admin when someone as registered under a different name, but I am aware that some of my clan members are in fact brothers and use each others computer when they log in. So they are different people.

I am concerned as a the website admin when someone got banned from the forums and then attempts to register under a different name, that's when the red flags go up.

I don't know what the purpose was in claiming that MD was posting with a different name but in my view it was out of line.

MD and his nephew should consider the source and chalk it up as inexperience on the moderator's part and leave it at that. Leaving the board should not be the way to react.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[bosunmate]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

A moderator shouldn't assume that someone is posting from different names, it is insulting to be accused as such.

In my clan for example, I get notified as the website admin when someone as registered under a different name, but I am aware that some of my clan members are in fact brothers and use each others computer when they log in. So they are different people.

I am concerned as a the website admin when someone got banned from the forums and then attempts to register under a different name, that's when the red flags go up.

I don't know what the purpose was in claiming that MD was posting with a different name but in my view it was out of line.

MD and his nephew should consider the source and chalk it up as inexperience on the moderator's part and leave it at that. Leaving the board should not be the way to react.

Just my 2 cents worth.

I agree that MD should stick around and just consider the source. I don't like the way these forums are moderated either and i think there are alot of cry babies on here. I don't think i will be buying anymore OOTP because i'm sick of having the same issues year after year. Though i voted that we don't need another patch because i'm smart enough to realize that if Marcus hasn't fixed it by now it can't be fixed..I think MD has offered alot to these forums and i for one would miss him...

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by bosunmate

I agree that MD should stick around and just consider the source. I don't like the way these forums are moderated either and i think there are alot of cry babies on here. I don't think i will be buying anymore OOTP because i'm sick of having the same issues year after year. Though i voted that we don't need another patch because i'm smart enough to realize that if Marcus hasn't fixed it by now it can't be fixed..I think MD has offered alot to these forums and i for one would miss him...

To some, just saying there are issues doesn't suffice. They want you to list the issues again just for them so they don't have to do what the rest of us do......go read any of the hundreds of threads that have been posted about the issues. If you don't list just for them they take an attitude of "Well there really aren't any issues then, you're just jumping on Markus".

[kingcharlesxii]

I think they want an issue well-defined in a bug report, especially considering how complex OOTP is these days. A standardized bug report saves Markus a lot of time I'm sure and will allow him to fix more bugs. If the issue is important enough that you want it fixed, it's important enough to retype into a bug form. Threads like this don't really help and just end up with people yelling at each other.

The only thing I wish for the bug report database was that all the tickets were viewable by all so that we could add on/clarify for existing issues rather than duplicating them. I think it would make the bug reports more efficient.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by kingcharlesxii

I think they want an issue well-defined in a bug report, especially considering how complex OOTP is these days. A standardized bug report saves Markus a lot of time I'm sure and will allow him to fix more bugs. If the issue is important enough that you want it fixed, it's important enough to retype into a bug form. Threads like this don't really help and just end up with people yelling at each other.

The only thing I wish for the bug report database was that all the tickets were viewable by all so that we could add on/clarify for existing issues rather than duplicating them. I think it would make the bug reports more efficient.

The issues have been posted in the ticket area for this version and the tech support areas, or wherever they went, in previous forums.

I'm talking about some people in the general forum wanting you to give them a list of issues so they don't have to go read the threads that already exist, and these are people who have nothing to do with fixing anything. All they have to do is go to tech support for OOTP9 or 8 and see the issues that are being discussed to see what long standing issues exist.

[kingcharlesxii]

The issue with threads is that without a standard naming convention, unless you faithfully read every thread every day, you're going to miss some. It was certainly easier for someone without access to the bug tracker to keep track of threads in 9/10 but there's so much noise to signal in this forum these days, I don't blame an outsider for failing to keep track of them these days. I know I'm not 100% up to date on all existing bugs.

Disclosure: I was a beta tester in the past but haven't been for several versions now. Pretty much every bug I reported back then was fixed within two versions. For the way I play OOTP 11, there are no significant bugs but I still voted "no" in the poll.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by kingcharlesxii

The issue with threads is that without a standard naming convention, unless you faithfully read every thread every day, you're going to miss some. It was certainly easier for someone without access to the bug tracker to keep track of threads in 9/10 but there's so much noise to signal in this forum these days, I don't blame an outsider for failing to keep track of them these days. I know I'm not 100% up to date on all existing bugs.

Disclosure: I was a beta tester in the past but haven't been for several versions now. Pretty much every bug I reported back then was fixed within two versions. For the way I play OOTP 11, there are no significant bugs but I still voted "no" in the poll.

The person I'm talking about isn't exactly an outsider. He claims that he used to work on finding fixes for problems and I believe he is/was a beta tester.

I know I have missed some but then I don't really go looking for the "bug" threads, but most are impossible to miss because they have the word "bug" in the title or something to let you know that's what the thread is about.

[Zweiblumen]

Originally Posted by Tom the Fish

I'm mostly satisfied, but in the future I'd like to see your choices in the player menus stick. When I go to look at the pitchers, it often resets to their batting stats, and during spring training, it always defaults to their overall stats. After I've gone to look at the Hall of Fame or other history sections, it switches to the lifetime stats. Very annoying.

Tom

This will never be fixed, I'm now convinced, in this version or any other. It's been an annoyance as long as I've been playing OOTP.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

My nephew has informed me that he is leaving the board over my bad conduct. That simply isn't right. So I'll be leaving instead and telling him to return.

Hanging around here at the moment is pretty pointless for me anyway. 70% of you don't mind a bit that the statistical emperor of the game has absolutely no clothes on whatsoever, Markus isn't paying attention like he should, and there won't be any more patches or a new game until April of 2011, which is a lot of months and a Hell of a lot of beers from now. There really ain't a Hell of a lot of point to hanging around because there's nothing to have any effect on.

Besides, I can spend the fifteen minutes a day I used to spend here learning even more useful tips and tricks on the barbecue boards. One day soon the state brisket championship will be mine!

I'll miss some of you: Sil, Styx, Statfreak, and maybe even some of you whose names don't start with an "S."

What I will not miss is the evil, biased, double-standard moderation that has always been the sorry trademark of this board. One day someone unbiased and competent who will actually do things right will become a moderator here...no doubt on the same day that pigs fly.

Those of you with brains and good sense: please keep up the fight for a better, more accurate game, free of legacy bugs and with accurate stats.

Skeeter, Flash, Blinky; you'll have to call or stop by now if you want to chat about baseball with me now. Bring beer but no laptops.

If the rest of you need me I'm at malleusdei (at) gmail.com or call if you have the number.

Adios,

Lucky (shockingly enough, it's my real life nickname!)

MD, for once I will be uncharacteristically forceful: Knock it off. I don't care what just happened, and whether you have been using aliases. You and I don't always agree (we didn't in this thread) but I've always looked forward to your posts (sometimes informative, sometimes combative, sometimes silly, always entertaining) and I would be sorry to see you leave these forums. So please stop this particular silliness because this game needs your input (even if you are wrong sometimes ).

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

MD, for once I will be uncharacteristically forceful.

[Tony M]

Malleus, firstly, sorry for my behaviour earlier in this thread. Just came from an "oh god, here we go again" feeling when threads start getting side-tracked because somebody doesn't agree with somebody else, and there had been so much stacking up with the way you and KT posted (never at the same time, very very often from the same location and with a very similar posting style) that I lost it and hoped that it might calm things down. I agree with a lot of what you say (as do a lot of people), but not the way you deal with those who don't agree with your views.

I'm going to ask Andreas to remove me as a moderator as it appears the majority of posters in here think I overstepped the mark and hope you decide to not leave the board - probably better for the game if you stayed and I went.

[silvam14]

Interesting to see so many willing to fall on their sword, but it is highly unnecessary, IMO. Geez, its a game forum that for better or worse could use everyone involved in this thread's input and opinion.

[CONN CHRIS]

Tony probably should not have done that in the open. PMs to the person in question would have been far better.


And while I agree that Mal being here is better than Mal not being here (same for all of us that post regularly and love the sim) let's drop the nonsense.

Mal has been using an alias to form a 'crowd' in agreement for some time. Here's just one more recent example:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ta-coming.html

Going out of his way to be ugly with a mod maker that certainly deserves better than that. Mal throws a few jabs and his alias posts in support all from the same computer. We do not need or want this sort of thing on this board. State your opinion without an alias echo please.

Tony should have handled this differently and no one wants Mal to leave but none of us fell off the turnip truck yesterday either.

[Andreas Raht]

Oh come on guys, you do not have to leave just because something went wrong. In the end I'm all alone here with Markus Please, take a deep breath, count to 10, have a break, forget what happened and come back.