Regional Rivalries Baseball League

crackpott · 09-11-2010, 07:48 PM

So... after several years of not being in an online league, I've decided I'd like to run one again. The last time I did was when I was in high school, which was fairly successful and lasted several years (not just seasons, real life years).

Now I've got a masters degree and am done school, I think I have some time to begin a new league. For now, I'll just pitch the basic premise and see how many people would be interested. If there's a lot of interest, I'll start the actual work and people can start claiming teams.

The premise of this league is a geographical rivalry. There are 2 leagues (East and West) with 4 divisions in each. Each division is a major metropolitan area.

West:
Southland (LA)
Metroplex (Dallas)
Bay Area
Puget Sound

East:
New York City
Chicagoland
Golden Horseshoe (Toronto)
South Florida

within those divisions are four teams. Generally the most populous cities in the metropolitan area, but sometimes when there are several fairly equally populous cities within a region I'll just have a team represent a region (ie. Contra Costa County in the Bay Area).

Each team will play all teams outside their division within their league twice. Once at home, once on the road. that works out to 72 games.

The remaining 90 games will be played against the three teams within your division. 30 games each. This will be where the rivalries develop.

More importantly, there will be a rule that will need to be followed for each team.

Every team must have one player on their active 25-man roster from their region.

This shouldn't be too hard, as these regions all have more than 5 million people with the exception of Puget Sound, who I would allow for the purposes of this rule any player from Washington State (~6 million population). Assuming US and Canada born players make up about half the league (400 players), population wise that would mean 5 million people would be about 1.5% of that, meaning 6 local players for 4 teams. There would obviously be more, I'm just talking statistically speaking those SHOULD be on a major league roster regardless of if this rule was factored in.

Otherwise it would just be basic MLB rules... we can discuss whether or not we will use a DH.

So if you have interest, let me know. You can just post here, I'll be checking the thread.

Oh, and given the "city" issue, we would start with a draft, though we would only go 25 to fill the active roster... your future is up in the air initially.

Teams formally claimed:

Greater Golden Horseshoe
Toronto - crackpott
York Region
Mississauga
Hamilton

Chicagoland
Chicago
Aurora - mauboy
Rockford
Joliet

New York City
Manhattan - Pete Grassi
Queens - BHapp
The Bronx
Brooklyn

South Florida
Miami
Hialeah - Shireman
Broward
Palm Beach

Puget Sound
Seattle
Tacoma
Everett
Bellevue

Bay Area
San Francisco
Oakland
San Jose
Contra Costa

Southland
Riverside
San Bernardino
Los Angeles
Orange County

Metroplex
Dallas
Fort Worth
Arlington
Collin County

canaveral · 09-11-2010, 09:55 PM

Fictional? Historical? Game version? Finances? Sim frequency? Live draft?

crackpott · 09-11-2010, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canaveral

Fictional? Historical? Game version? Finances? Sim frequency? Live draft?

Probably should have covered all of that.

Fictional

OOTP 11 (all owners must have the game, lineups will be imported)

3 sims (one week each) per week

Yes, live draft for rookie drafts... I am not sure yet how I'll be handling the initial draft, although 3 separate live drafts are how I'm leaning at the moment.

Other info:

Only talent ratings will be permanently displayed. Current ratings will be displayed for the draft, but then be turned off for the future. 2-8 scale.

Goody · 09-11-2010, 11:50 PM

Pretty cool format idea.

Another idea to get more for the Puget Sound area would be Cascades. The Mountain Range. That way you get Portland, Bend, Medford, Reno as well.

crackpott · 09-12-2010, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Goody

Pretty cool format idea.

Another idea to get more for the Puget Sound area would be Cascades. The Mountain Range. That way you get Portland, Bend, Medford, Reno as well.

Not a bad idea, but that might be too big geographically. Plus, there's the difficulty in determining if a players city actually falls within that range. All these regions have specific counties which are a part of them, and thus cities. If there was a geographical region for the pacific northwest which was well defined and could include Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, and... I dunno, Spokane I suppose, I might use it, but it seems hard to find something like that which has specific boundaries.

If we just use Washington in terms of where the players have to be from, that's not too bad.

Goody · 09-12-2010, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by crackpott

Not a bad idea, but that might be too big geographically. Plus, there's the difficulty in determining if a players city actually falls within that range. All these regions have specific counties which are a part of them, and thus cities. If there was a geographical region for the pacific northwest which was well defined and could include Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, and... I dunno, Spokane I suppose, I might use it, but it seems hard to find something like that which has specific boundaries.

If we just use Washington in terms of where the players have to be from, that's not too bad.

Being from Washington and having moved to the border (25 miles from Portland) I am opposed to excluding Portland and Oregon in general. I understand what you're saying, I'm just trying to make something that makes sense for my own personal reasons. I consider myself a Washingtonian as I grew up deep in Western Washington until the 5th grade when we moved to Southern Washington right on the river overlooking Oregon with Portland's lights in the distance. But I was born in Bellingham which is a few miles over the border from B.C. so I totally understand what you're getting at. Amazed you know the area so well, in fact.

So, to address your counterpoint with the 3 major cities and some stragglers...*thinking*

Goody · 09-12-2010, 05:56 AM

Yeah, there's no easy answer, other than calling it "The Pacific Northwest" and including Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and B.C.

But this gets away from your regional plan and takes entire American regions into play. (Midwest, Northeast, South)...which you aren't using.

crackpott · 09-12-2010, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goody

Yeah, there's no easy answer, other than calling it "The Pacific Northwest" and including Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and B.C.

But this gets away from your regional plan and takes entire American regions into play. (Midwest, Northeast, South)...which you aren't using.

Now you see my dilemma.

There has to be cut-offs somewhere. I'm an Urban Planner, so I'm pretty familiar with geography, but obviously I'll be familiar with Toronto's region the best (Greater Golden Horseshoe). Arguments have been made that the economic region is even greater "Tor-Buf-Chester" and should include Buffalo and Rochester. And really Buffalo is actually even closer to Toronto than Portland is to Seattle... but it's just easiest to have a specifically defined region that includes counties. I did think about using greater regions and states in general, but then there's places like California with obscene amounts of people, and divisions/teams start just looking a lot more like MLB with just large cities.

Shireman · 09-12-2010, 02:17 PM

I'm interested in this. Could be fun.

I'd like to either be in the South Florida group, i.e. the Ft. Myers Tarpon or in the Chicagoland group, being the NW Indiana team. Maybe the Munster Monsters? Gary Gangbangers (lol)?

PM me if you get it going.

crackpott · 09-12-2010, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shireman

I'm interested in this. Could be fun.

I'd like to either be in the South Florida group, i.e. the Ft. Myers Tarpon or in the Chicagoland group, being the NW Indiana team. Maybe the Munster Monsters? Gary Gangbangers (lol)?

PM me if you get it going.

Just to clarify, "south florida" refers only to the metro miami area.

Pete Grassi · 09-13-2010, 12:59 PM

Per my PM, I am on board, taking a NYC team.

crackpott · 09-13-2010, 03:09 PM

Just to note -

If you take a team in a smaller region, or a smaller team in any region, it won't affect your finances. Revenue should be equal for all teams going in, with only team performance and such changing it.

When you take a team, I expect a bit of effort in naming the team to have at least some relevance to the local area, and preferably the city itself rather than the region, since your team will be among many in the region representing the smaller city. Just do some quick googling... I'm sure every city has something they're proud of that will turn up.

Anyway, the teams. Feel free to claim a specific one.

Golden Horseshoe
Toronto - crackpott
York Region
Mississauga
Hamilton

Chicagoland
Chicago
Aurora
Rockford
Joliet

New York City
Manhattan
Queens
The Bronx
Brooklyn

South Florida
Miami
Hialeah
Broward
Palm Beach

Puget Sound
Seattle
Tacoma
Everett
Bellevue

Bay Area
San Francisco
Oakland
San Jose
Contra Costa

Southland
Riverside
San Bernardino
Los Angeles
Orange County

Metroplex
Dallas
Fort Worth
Arlington
Collin County

I'll keep this up to date as people claim teams on the first post.

Pete Grassi · 09-13-2010, 03:52 PM

I will lay claim to Manhattan in the NY division. Team name to follow.

Scott Vibert · 09-13-2010, 10:34 PM

I will take a team, division and city - unimportant.

Shireman · 09-14-2010, 02:50 PM

I'll take Hialeah. We'll be the "Horsemen", after the famous old racetrack there.

crackpott · 09-14-2010, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shireman

I'll take Hialeah. We'll be the "Horsemen", after the famous old racetrack there.

^

Good example of coming up with a good team name that has local connotations.

crackpott · 09-18-2010, 02:54 PM

We currently have 5 owners... still need several more.

BHapp · 09-20-2010, 02:07 PM

The Queens team I would like.

endgame · 09-20-2010, 02:10 PM

Starting date modern day baseball, i.e. 2010+/- ?

mauboy · 09-20-2010, 09:34 PM

Hey, everyone! I'd like to see if I could get in on this inaugural season.

I'll go for Aurora in the Chicagoland.

09-11-2010, 07:48 PM	#1
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	Regional Rivalries Baseball League So... after several years of not being in an online league, I've decided I'd like to run one again. The last time I did was when I was in high school, which was fairly successful and lasted several years (not just seasons, real life years). Now I've got a masters degree and am done school, I think I have some time to begin a new league. For now, I'll just pitch the basic premise and see how many people would be interested. If there's a lot of interest, I'll start the actual work and people can start claiming teams. The premise of this league is a geographical rivalry. There are 2 leagues (East and West) with 4 divisions in each. Each division is a major metropolitan area. West: Southland (LA) Metroplex (Dallas) Bay Area Puget Sound East: New York City Chicagoland Golden Horseshoe (Toronto) South Florida within those divisions are four teams. Generally the most populous cities in the metropolitan area, but sometimes when there are several fairly equally populous cities within a region I'll just have a team represent a region (ie. Contra Costa County in the Bay Area). Each team will play all teams outside their division within their league twice. Once at home, once on the road. that works out to 72 games. The remaining 90 games will be played against the three teams within your division. 30 games each. This will be where the rivalries develop. More importantly, there will be a rule that will need to be followed for each team. Every team must have one player on their active 25-man roster from their region. This shouldn't be too hard, as these regions all have more than 5 million people with the exception of Puget Sound, who I would allow for the purposes of this rule any player from Washington State (~6 million population). Assuming US and Canada born players make up about half the league (400 players), population wise that would mean 5 million people would be about 1.5% of that, meaning 6 local players for 4 teams. There would obviously be more, I'm just talking statistically speaking those SHOULD be on a major league roster regardless of if this rule was factored in. Otherwise it would just be basic MLB rules... we can discuss whether or not we will use a DH. So if you have interest, let me know. You can just post here, I'll be checking the thread. Oh, and given the "city" issue, we would start with a draft, though we would only go 25 to fill the active roster... your future is up in the air initially. Teams formally claimed: Greater Golden Horseshoe Toronto - crackpott York Region Mississauga Hamilton Chicagoland Chicago Aurora - mauboy Rockford Joliet New York City Manhattan - Pete Grassi Queens - BHapp The Bronx Brooklyn South Florida Miami Hialeah - Shireman Broward Palm Beach Puget Sound Seattle Tacoma Everett Bellevue Bay Area San Francisco Oakland San Jose Contra Costa Southland Riverside San Bernardino Los Angeles Orange County Metroplex Dallas Fort Worth Arlington Collin County __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore. Last edited by crackpott; 09-22-2010 at 12:44 AM.

09-11-2010, 11:50 PM	#4
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	Pretty cool format idea. Another idea to get more for the Puget Sound area would be Cascades. The Mountain Range. That way you get Portland, Bend, Medford, Reno as well. __________________ In the past: Laseron Baseball Association creator. Present: I am Rezulm on PT and OOTP Discord. Future: I wish it was the past.

09-13-2010, 03:09 PM	#12
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	Just to note - If you take a team in a smaller region, or a smaller team in any region, it won't affect your finances. Revenue should be equal for all teams going in, with only team performance and such changing it. When you take a team, I expect a bit of effort in naming the team to have at least some relevance to the local area, and preferably the city itself rather than the region, since your team will be among many in the region representing the smaller city. Just do some quick googling... I'm sure every city has something they're proud of that will turn up. Anyway, the teams. Feel free to claim a specific one. Golden Horseshoe Toronto - crackpott York Region Mississauga Hamilton Chicagoland Chicago Aurora Rockford Joliet New York City Manhattan Queens The Bronx Brooklyn South Florida Miami Hialeah Broward Palm Beach Puget Sound Seattle Tacoma Everett Bellevue Bay Area San Francisco Oakland San Jose Contra Costa Southland Riverside San Bernardino Los Angeles Orange County Metroplex Dallas Fort Worth Arlington Collin County I'll keep this up to date as people claim teams on the first post. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

09-18-2010, 02:54 PM	#17
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	We currently have 5 owners... still need several more. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

09-20-2010, 02:10 PM	#19
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Starting date modern day baseball, i.e. 2010+/- ? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

09-11-2010, 09:55 PM	#2
canaveral Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Space Coast FL Posts: 194	Fictional? Historical? Game version? Finances? Sim frequency? Live draft?

09-12-2010, 05:56 AM	#7
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	Yeah, there's no easy answer, other than calling it "The Pacific Northwest" and including Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and B.C. But this gets away from your regional plan and takes entire American regions into play. (Midwest, Northeast, South)...which you aren't using.

09-12-2010, 02:17 PM	#9
Shireman Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 11	I'm interested in this. Could be fun. I'd like to either be in the South Florida group, i.e. the Ft. Myers Tarpon or in the Chicagoland group, being the NW Indiana team. Maybe the Munster Monsters? Gary Gangbangers (lol)? PM me if you get it going.

09-13-2010, 12:59 PM	#11
Pete Grassi Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 386	Per my PM, I am on board, taking a NYC team.

09-13-2010, 03:52 PM	#13
Pete Grassi Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 386	I will lay claim to Manhattan in the NY division. Team name to follow.

09-13-2010, 10:34 PM	#14
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,246	I will take a team, division and city - unimportant.

09-14-2010, 02:50 PM	#15
Shireman Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 11	I'll take Hialeah. We'll be the "Horsemen", after the famous old racetrack there.

09-20-2010, 02:07 PM	#18
BHapp Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: florida Posts: 24	The Queens team I would like.

09-20-2010, 09:34 PM	#20
mauboy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,906	Hey, everyone! I'd like to see if I could get in on this inaugural season. I'll go for Aurora in the Chicagoland.