Hanley Ramirez

[jazzrack]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Agree. There's nothing to back up on that play, a pop-up that drops in, until Ramirez kicks it down the line. LF is coming in while the SS is going out; neither is in position to back-up what comes next.

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you should probably watch your own yankees play defense more if you don't think there was anything to back up on that play. the CF should have ranged over to be in postion to chase down a ball that skips past the incoming LF. the RF should have come over and in to cover the spot that was vacated by the CF covering the play.. why.. because wierd stuff happens, balls bounce off peoples heads, get kicked around, all kinds off stuff happens. if you watch the yankees (phillies, cardinals, the braves used to do it have not seena braves game in years so i don't know anymore) thats how they play it.

and it's what the dodger coaches taught me at the steve sax baseball camp that one year as a kid. i suppose they could have been feeding a line of bull.

[NYY #23]

Originally Posted by jazzrack

did any of you see the inside the park homer the other day, did you see morgan loaf it after his mindless hustle put him out of control and he had no real play on the ball. first he hangs on the wall, then he stands there like an oaf for a second before he decides he is still the closest guy to the ball and should probably go after it....

where is the outrage!?!?!?

but i did find out what was so different about the play i saw and the play you guys saw, i saw mine with the sound off, the first time i watched it i was listening to music so i didn't hear yet another self-rightous sports media blowhard act like some player just stole his kids lunch money.

call him out for loafing it or not i really don't care, but it is arbitrary and meaningless. and one of the main reasons i find myself enjoying sports less and less.

For me dogging it on the play wasn't the big deal, it was his reaction to being pulled. His attacking of his manager, and failure to admit any wrong doing was the bigger problem. See Jimmy Rollins's response when he was pulled for not hustling and compare it to Hanley's. He would have looked much better taking responsibility like a man rather than fuel the flames.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by jazzrack

where is the outrage!?!?!?

The biggest difference is Morgan if he continues his lack of effort will be out of the league in 2 years. Hanley is one of the best players in the league and needs to be a leader on that team. The best teams have solid leadership(Yankees, Twins, Cardinals, Red Sox, DRays) and it is a result of leadership at the top with their best players and respect for the manager. Do you think Cameron Maybin might think well since I am going to be good as well I may start taking it easy like the star player does?

[damientheomen3]

I really didn't think that the situation was a big deal, and thought it was just ESPN being ESPN and blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, but when I saw the play, I lost a lot of respect for Hanley and agree that his lack of hustle, as well as his attack of Fredi Gonzalez, was despicable.

[jazzrack]

Originally Posted by NYY #23

For me dogging it on the play wasn't the big deal, it was his reaction to being pulled. His attacking of his manager, and failure to admit any wrong doing was the bigger problem. See Jimmy Rollins's response when he was pulled for not hustling and compare it to Hanley's. He would have looked much better taking responsibility like a man rather than fuel the flames.

while this may be a more valid, i would have to know more. ther is a big difference between a manager saying

"hey jimmy, i don't think your head is in the game, your teammates have your back. you can go get em tomorrow"

and

"what the F*** was that, sit down you lazy good for nothing bum"

i run through walls for the first guy, run away from the second. wanna makes bets on who the manager is with the better long-term record?

[jbergey22]

The 2nd example must be Bobby Knight. Is the first example Terry Francona?

And Im only half kidding. Part of being a great manager is being able to motivate certain personalities. You may run through a brick wall for the manager that says have a seat we have your back while a more dominant personality will see that as weakness and take advantage of what he sees as weakness.

[NYY #23]

Originally Posted by jazzrack

while this may be a more valid, i would have to know more. ther is a big difference between a manager saying

"hey jimmy, i don't think your head is in the game, your teammates have your back. you can go get em tomorrow"

and

"what the F*** was that, sit down you lazy good for nothing bum"

i run through walls for the first guy, run away from the second. wanna makes bets on who the manager is with the better long-term record?

I obviously don't know what was said, but he was definitely pulled from the game for not running out a pop-up. I found this link.

Compare what he said to what Hanley said, and the difference to me is the attitude.

Edit - And I definitely agree about the approach, and would respond more favorably to the first. But judging by the reactions from his teammates it sounds like it was more of #1 than #2.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by NYY #23

For me dogging it on the play wasn't the big deal, it was his reaction to being pulled. His attacking of his manager, and failure to admit any wrong doing was the bigger problem. See Jimmy Rollins's response when he was pulled for not hustling and compare it to Hanley's. He would have looked much better taking responsibility like a man rather than fuel the flames.

Good point. Dogging it, gets you pulled out of one game. Complaining about being pulled out for dogging it, gets you talked about negatively on a baseball board for 3 pages.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

Eventually, you would be reasonably busy, and a HIGHLY valued and compensated employee. The 20% of the workers I have that do 50% of the work are the ones that get 8% raises per year.

I'll pass. Haven't worked in an office or under direct supervision of anybody for 13 years. Not sure you could afford me either.

[Jordan]

So, I will give Hanley credit for this. Did anyone see the play he made in last night's game vs. the Phillies? Above and beyond the call of his fielding duties I'd say

[Jordan]

Anyone...Bueller?

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by Jordan

Above and beyond the call of his fielding duties I'd say

I don't think that's possible. Your duty is to play to the best of your ability.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Jordan

So, I will give Hanley credit for this. Did anyone see the play he made in last night's game vs. the Phillies? Above and beyond the call of his fielding duties I'd say

I don't give him credit for ****. He showed the type of player that he is.

[jaxmagicman]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

I don't give him credit for ****. He showed the type of player that he is.

You are 100% right. There is no possible way that he will ever change. Once a thug, always a thug. He should have been put out of baseball forever. He will never be a productive teammate or player.

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

You are 100% right. There is no possible way that he will ever change. Once a thug, always a thug. He should have been put out of baseball forever. He will never be a productive teammate or player.

My sarcasm radar is going off...

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Chase Davis

My sarcasm radar is going off...

Yeah...Jax is a thoroughly unhappy person nowadays. I liked him better when he was a black guy.

[theasfl]

Originally Posted by Jordan

So, I will give Hanley credit for this. Did anyone see the play he made in last night's game vs. the Phillies? Above and beyond the call of his fielding duties I'd say

I saw it, was surprised, and made a mental note of it for the next time he loafs.