Let's discuss playing stats only! - Page 8

fintach · 08-09-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Try it. If I can write a baseball game simulator when I was in grad school, the least you can do is play a little.

Heh. Believe me, I'm considering it.

thbroman · 08-10-2010, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Try it. If I can write a baseball game simulator when I was in grad school, the least you can do is play a little.

When I read this, I first thought it said you had made a baseball simulator in grade school. I did something like that, a little thing with three dice and . . . .

Malleus Dei · 08-10-2010, 08:27 AM

No, I wrote a primitive simulator on a DEC PDP 11/70 to generate win probabilities for two given teams of given properties. (I gambled a lot in those days.) It worked okay, but later on I found an odd little piece of baseball trivia that required no computer at all that made me lots of money so I gave up on it.

TribeFanInNC · 08-10-2010, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

No, I wrote a primitive simulator on a DEC PDP 11/70 to generate win probabilities for two given teams of given properties. (I gambled a lot in those days.) It worked okay, but later on I found an odd little piece of baseball trivia that required no computer at all that made me lots of money so I gave up on it.

Was it 'When Pete Rose pencils himself into the lineup, bet on the other team'?

thbroman · 08-10-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Was it 'When Pete Rose pencils himself into the lineup, bet on the other team'?

Why didn't I think of that?

MD, your mention of the DEC PDP mainframe brings back fond memories. I learned to program in Basic on one of those babies in college (which represents the sum total of my programming "expertise"). I still remember feeding my paper punch tapes into the reader . . . .

Malleus Dei · 08-10-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Was it 'When Pete Rose pencils himself into the lineup, bet on the other team'?

Nope. It was a bit more complicated than that.

Malleus Dei · 08-10-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thbroman

Why didn't I think of that?

MD, your mention of the DEC PDP mainframe brings back fond memories. I learned to program in Basic on one of those babies in college (which represents the sum total of my programming "expertise"). I still remember feeding my paper punch tapes into the reader . . . .

I started on an HP2000F, moved to an IBM 360, then a 370, then a CDC Cyber, and finally a Cray. I used the DEC because they unexpectedly literally wheeled it into my office and said "Here." I was an ARPAnet guy back before the Internet.

Then along came PC's and cloud computing and off we went.

olivertheorem · 08-10-2010, 10:55 AM

Playing stats-only after having trouble getting into ratings play, and am loving it. However, I'm about to have my first draft pool get published (2010 MLB) and I'm wondering how to go about evaluating the players without spending hours going over individual scouting reports. Help please?

Malleus Dei · 08-10-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

Playing stats-only after having trouble getting into ratings play, and am loving it. However, I'm about to have my first draft pool get published (2010 MLB) and I'm wondering how to go about evaluating the players without spending hours going over individual scouting reports. Help please?

The easiest way is to trust your scouts.

Sparrow · 08-10-2010, 11:27 AM

This is one of my biggest questions about playing stats only as well (the draft).

I am dense, but the answer "trust your scouts" doesn't answer what I imagine olivertheorem was asking.

So, if you have 400 players in your draft pool do you click on, and read the scouting report for all 400 players?

Or, do you sort by their generated stats and only read scouting reports for the top X players?

I guess the question is when you don't have any substantive columns to sort by, is there anyway to distinguish the top third from the bottom third without clicking on every single player?

In other words is there a way to identify those unlikely to get drafted from those likely to get drafted in the first few rounds?

TribeFanInNC · 08-10-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparrow

So, if you have 400 players in your draft pool do you click on, and read the scouting report for all 400 players?

Yes. Well, the ones with positive VORP anyway (or some other criteria you establish on your own). While the feeder stats are helpful, they are not 100% indicative. A good scout is the most help. Stats are a decent confirmation. Feeder stats on their own are not necessarily a great indicator because there are lots of players that have good ratings for their level, but do not have much potential beyond that.

Stats only definitely takes more time. You have to invest the time to get results. Like RL.

olivertheorem · 08-10-2010, 01:35 PM

Would a decent approach start by sorting the players by VORP, OPS, or some other stat, then go through the reports on the top X players?

TribeFanInNC · 08-10-2010, 03:16 PM

Yep, that is the best way to get started. Sort by VORP, for example, then you can go to the scouting report of the first player and just arrow through the players using the arrows at the top right. Goes pretty quick, especially if you are just making one pick at a time in a solo league.

Once I get into the 1-star players, I will sort almost every stat and look for some glimmer of hope for potential. They all start looking the same after a while.

P.S. You guys are burying a perfectly good Pete Rose joke with all of your relevant questions. I'm disappointed...

SilentFox · 08-10-2010, 03:31 PM

Can't be lazy on stats only 33-45 with my marlins because I am ... sigh

Malleus Dei · 08-10-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentFox

Can't be lazy on stats only 33-45 with my marlins because I am ... sigh

Stats only will keep you on your toes.

There is no hard and fast rule about drafting in stats only. Find the way that is the most fun for you. I like it really challenging, but you may not. Do what you like.

84Hammy · 08-10-2010, 07:39 PM

For the draft with stats only, I look at the way my scout rates players by pulling up the ratings. Even though no numbers appear, the scout ranks them top to bottom.

Sparrow · 08-10-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 84Hammy

For the draft with stats only, I look at the way my scout rates players by pulling up the ratings. Even though no numbers appear, the scout ranks them top to bottom.

Is this true? If so, it seems like a real nice way to simplify it a little bit. I don't think it would lessen the challenge, just a little less tedious (unless it sorts by actual ratings instead of scouted ones).

KowboyKoop · 08-10-2010, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparrow

Is this true? If so, it seems like a real nice way to simplify it a little bit. I don't think it would lessen the challenge, just a little less tedious (unless it sorts by actual ratings instead of scouted ones).

Yes I'd be interested in getting some confirmation on this.

actionjackson · 08-10-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

Yes I'd be interested in getting some confirmation on this.

Hey KK. I think it did something like this back in OOTPX or it might have been 9. Brain no worky. It's easy to check though. Turn ratings on briefly and see how they sort by category of your choice and then turn them off and see if it's the same. You or whoever tries this can let us know, so that those of us that want to break up the pea soup fog of war that is stats only can do so and those that don't can continue to play the game at it's most challenging level. Cheers and good to see you over here.

KowboyKoop · 08-11-2010, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Hey KK. I think it did something like this back in OOTPX or it might have been 9. Brain no worky. It's easy to check though. Turn ratings on briefly and see how they sort by category of your choice and then turn them off and see if it's the same. You or whoever tries this can let us know, so that those of us that want to break up the pea soup fog of war that is stats only can do so and those that don't can continue to play the game at it's most challenging level. Cheers and good to see you over here.

Based upon a quick glance, this does appear to be true.

..and i've been playing OOTP since this version came out..I just post at the "other place" just to mess with the 12 year olds pretty much. The other game way fun for a little bit....but got old really quick

08-10-2010, 03:16 PM	#153
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Yep, that is the best way to get started. Sort by VORP, for example, then you can go to the scouting report of the first player and just arrow through the players using the arrows at the top right. Goes pretty quick, especially if you are just making one pick at a time in a solo league. Once I get into the 1-star players, I will sort almost every stat and look for some glimmer of hope for potential. They all start looking the same after a while. P.S. You guys are burying a perfectly good Pete Rose joke with all of your relevant questions. I'm disappointed... Last edited by TribeFanInNC; 08-10-2010 at 03:18 PM.

08-10-2010, 10:55 AM	#148
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Playing stats-only after having trouble getting into ratings play, and am loving it. However, I'm about to have my first draft pool get published (2010 MLB) and I'm wondering how to go about evaluating the players without spending hours going over individual scouting reports. Help please?

08-10-2010, 11:27 AM	#150
Sparrow All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 803	This is one of my biggest questions about playing stats only as well (the draft). I am dense, but the answer "trust your scouts" doesn't answer what I imagine olivertheorem was asking. So, if you have 400 players in your draft pool do you click on, and read the scouting report for all 400 players? Or, do you sort by their generated stats and only read scouting reports for the top X players? I guess the question is when you don't have any substantive columns to sort by, is there anyway to distinguish the top third from the bottom third without clicking on every single player? In other words is there a way to identify those unlikely to get drafted from those likely to get drafted in the first few rounds?

08-10-2010, 01:35 PM	#152
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Would a decent approach start by sorting the players by VORP, OPS, or some other stat, then go through the reports on the top X players?

08-10-2010, 03:31 PM	#154
SilentFox Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Naguabo, Puerto Rico, Formerly Miami, Florida Posts: 63	Can't be lazy on stats only 33-45 with my marlins because I am ... sigh

08-10-2010, 07:39 PM	#156
84Hammy All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Stinky Windsor Posts: 919	For the draft with stats only, I look at the way my scout rates players by pulling up the ratings. Even though no numbers appear, the scout ranks them top to bottom.