Some guy on steroids hits 600 HR - Page 4

stevebydac · 08-07-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

I think sooner or later Baseball writers will wise up and realize steriods don't help players hit homeruns

No, steroids don't help people hit more home runs.

Strength has nothing to do with home run hitting!

This is why Pesky hit more home runs than Mantle, why Aparicio hit more than Stargell, etc. These little skinny guys were cranking out 50 HR seasons while the big burly guys with muscles were struggling to hit 10, right??? Because strength is meaningless when it comes to home run hitting!

And of course, steroids don't help, nope. Not at all.

Kinda funny how in the late '90s and early '00s a bunch of guys who were caught on PEDS hit 50,60,70 HRs, but now that testing has been tightened up, hardly anyone can come close to those numbers anymore....

1998 Yankees · 08-07-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stevebydac

No, steroids don't help people hit more home runs.

Strength has nothing to do with home run hitting!

This is why Pesky hit more home runs than Mantle, why Aparicio hit more than Stargell, etc. These little skinny guys were cranking out 50 HR seasons while the big burly guys with muscles were struggling to hit 10, right??? Because strength is meaningless when it comes to home run hitting!

And of course, steroids don't help, nope. Not at all.

Kinda funny how in the late '90s and early '00s a bunch of guys who were caught on PEDS hit 50,60,70 HRs, but now that testing has been tightened up, hardly anyone can come close to those numbers anymore....

A bit heavy on the sarcasm (

), but it sums up my position on the matter.

Think of it this way, jax and other apologists: If steroids did not help improve athletic performance, include the hitting of home runs, why would the people who are in the best position to know, and who had to run the health risks, have taken them? The players - why did they take steroids?

BaseballMan · 08-08-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stevebydac

No, steroids don't help people hit more home runs.

Strength has nothing to do with home run hitting!

This is why Pesky hit more home runs than Mantle, why Aparicio hit more than Stargell, etc. These little skinny guys were cranking out 50 HR seasons while the big burly guys with muscles were struggling to hit 10, right??? Because strength is meaningless when it comes to home run hitting!

And of course, steroids don't help, nope. Not at all.

Kinda funny how in the late '90s and early '00s a bunch of guys who were caught on PEDS hit 50,60,70 HRs, but now that testing has been tightened up, hardly anyone can come close to those numbers anymore....

Ever hear of Ernie Banks.

canadiancreed · 08-08-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Ever hear of Ernie Banks.

Ever hear of playing half your games in a park that greatly favored hitters? (note: no home/road batting breakdown was found at baseball-reference, so this assessment subject to change if those numbers are produced)

EMSoccerCoach · 08-08-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

Ever hear of playing half your games in a park that greatly favored hitters? (note: no home/road batting breakdown was found at baseball-reference, so this assessment subject to change if those numbers are produced)

Banks hit 290 homers at home, 222 on the road.

Left-handed Badger · 08-08-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

A bit heavy on the sarcasm (

), but it sums up my position on the matter.

Think of it this way, jax and other apologists: If steroids did not help improve athletic performance, include the hitting of home runs, why would the people who are in the best position to know, and who had to run the health risks, have taken them? The players - why did they take steroids?

I may have read wrong, but I thought someone was claiming there are no health risks.

Anyhow, I believe there was more than one reason for the prolonged hitting surge, BUT, steroids was one of the bigger factors.

canadiancreed · 08-08-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EMSoccerCoach

Banks hit 290 homers at home, 222 on the road.

Hmm...where did you get this from?

jaxmagicman · 08-08-2010, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevebydac

No, steroids don't help people hit more home runs.

Strength has nothing to do with home run hitting!

This is why Pesky hit more home runs than Mantle, why Aparicio hit more than Stargell, etc. These little skinny guys were cranking out 50 HR seasons while the big burly guys with muscles were struggling to hit 10, right??? Because strength is meaningless when it comes to home run hitting!

And of course, steroids don't help, nope. Not at all.

Kinda funny how in the late '90s and early '00s a bunch of guys who were caught on PEDS hit 50,60,70 HRs, but now that testing has been tightened up, hardly anyone can come close to those numbers anymore....

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

A bit heavy on the sarcasm (

), but it sums up my position on the matter.

Think of it this way, jax and other apologists: If steroids did not help improve athletic performance, include the hitting of home runs, why would the people who are in the best position to know, and who had to run the health risks, have taken them? The players - why did they take steroids?

I am sorry if you take my lack of responding as you guys 'putting me in my place'. I just thought that it is stupid to say the same things over and over, especially when it is obvious to me that you didn't even read the article linked to. It answered all the points you brought up.

Left-handed Badger · 08-08-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

I am sorry if you take my lack of responding as you guys 'putting me in my place'. I just thought that it is stupid to say the same things over and over, especially when it is obvious to me that you didn't even read the article linked to. It answered all the points you brought up.

I think they were hoping you'd have a link to a doctor's opinion. Not a broadcaster's (I may be wrong, but I think you mentioned the guy was a broadcaster or something)

jaxmagicman · 08-08-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

I think they were hoping you'd have a link to a doctor's opinion. Not a broadcaster's (I may be wrong, but I think you mentioned the guy was a broadcaster or something)

Statitician. And there are links to medical studies on that site.

Left-handed Badger · 08-08-2010, 10:57 PM

More science than I was expecting. But, it'll take a while to dissect it. And I wont pretend it is the most coherent paper I have even seen.

Chicagofan76 · 08-09-2010, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

Hmm...where did you get this from?

yeah he is right, Mr Cub was good
Ernie Banks Career Home Runs - Baseball-Reference.com

compared to sosa
Sammy Sosa Career Home Runs - Baseball-Reference.com
ruth hit more on road, mays about even, mantle 4 more on road, i looked up all members of the 600 hr club all hit just slightly more at home with the exception of Corky who hit 40? more at home and Jr who hit 34 more at home

Chicagofan76 · 08-09-2010, 12:17 AM

i am gonna leave my post alone up top cuz i looked at banks stats wrong hitting 68 more hr at home vs road is the biggest difference out of the players i looked up including corky(sosa) and jr

BaseballMan · 08-09-2010, 03:17 PM

So this thread is saying small guys dont hit as many hrs as big guys?
Whats the weight cutoff at? I think Ted Williams claimed bat speed helped more. I dont think Joe Dimaggio was that big but maybe he was for that time. What about big guys who cant hit hrs.

Jason Moyer · 08-09-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

i am gonna leave my post alone up top cuz i looked at banks stats wrong hitting 68 more hr at home vs road is the biggest difference out of the players i looked up including corky(sosa) and jr

Pssst. Mel Ott.

Chicagofan76 · 08-09-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Pssst. Mel Ott.

Home323 Away188
wow

Goody · 08-09-2010, 07:49 PM

My wife is like 5'1, 105 lbs and she can crank home runs all day long on the Wii. Its total talent and involves no strength or explosiveness to blast them deep.

08-08-2010, 10:57 PM	#71
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	More science than I was expecting. But, it'll take a while to dissect it. And I wont pretend it is the most coherent paper I have even seen. __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps Last edited by Left-handed Badger; 08-08-2010 at 10:59 PM.

08-09-2010, 12:17 AM	#73
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	i am gonna leave my post alone up top cuz i looked at banks stats wrong hitting 68 more hr at home vs road is the biggest difference out of the players i looked up including corky(sosa) and jr

08-09-2010, 03:17 PM	#74
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,622	So this thread is saying small guys dont hit as many hrs as big guys? Whats the weight cutoff at? I think Ted Williams claimed bat speed helped more. I dont think Joe Dimaggio was that big but maybe he was for that time. What about big guys who cant hit hrs.

08-09-2010, 07:49 PM	#77
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	My wife is like 5'1, 105 lbs and she can crank home runs all day long on the Wii. Its total talent and involves no strength or explosiveness to blast them deep.