More Damaging: Favre or James

CD1083 · 08-03-2010, 03:48 PM

With Farve announcing his retirement, IMO this does to Minnesota what Lebron did to Cleveland. The question is which move is more damaging?

Lebron leaving crushed the entire city of Cleveland.
Favre retiring may have crushed the Vikings season.

Many argue that Lebron was selfish in his decision to milk his signing with Miami on ESPN and how it hurt loyal fans.

Shouldn't the same be said for Favre who waited until right before preseason to make his announcement? leaving the Vikings with literally no time to find an adaquete replacement.

eriqjaffe · 08-03-2010, 03:59 PM

And how is Favre's behavior any different than the previous two off-season? Really, if I were the Vikings, I'd have been kind of expecting this.

CD1083 · 08-03-2010, 04:14 PM

Lebron's decision was expected too, does that make it any less painful for the team involved?

eriqjaffe · 08-03-2010, 04:19 PM

Sure, Lebron's thing was expected, but Cleveland had such a profound attachment to Lebron. I doubt that Minnesota had a similar attachment to Favre. I think it would make more sense to compare James's decision to Favre's actions after his first retirement.

TribeFanInNC · 08-03-2010, 04:25 PM

Well, Favre certainly held the Vikes over a barrel. And it is certainly rude to wait until training camp to retire. But I doubt they would have done anything different - they were either going with Favre or the backups they have. At least he didn't wait until the end of training camp. Now the other guys can at least get reps.

LeBron was native to the area, was a hometown hero, then had a one hour ESPN live special to give his hometown the finger. Not to mention the fact that the Cavs went from NBA champ contender to 35 win team in the process.

I would say Favre leaving the Packers to try to go to the Bears or Vikes is more akin to the LeBron situation, though the Packers have a little more culpability than the Cavs.

CD1083 · 08-03-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Well, Favre certainly held the Vikes over a barrel. And it is certainly rude to wait until training camp to retire. But I doubt they would have done anything different - they were either going with Favre or the backups they have. At least he didn't wait until the end of training camp. Now the other guys can at least get reps.

I find it hard to believe the Vikings wouldn't have made a run at McNabb or Campbell in the offseason had they known Favre was done.

canadiancreed · 08-03-2010, 05:09 PM

Guess they know how the Packers and Jets feel now.

And there needs to be a "yes" option.

Bluenoser · 08-03-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

With Farve announcing his retirement, IMO this does to Minnesota what Lebron did to Cleveland. The question is which move is more damaging?

Lebron leaving crushed the entire city of Cleveland.
Favre retiring may have crushed the Vikings season.

Many argue that Lebron was selfish in his decision to milk his signing with Miami on ESPN and how it hurt loyal fans.

Shouldn't the same be said for Favre who waited until right before preseason to make his announcement? leaving the Vikings with literally no time to find an adaquete replacement.

Entirely the Vikings fault. If management is inept enough not to have a contingency plan and sit around waiting for someone to make a decision, then they deserve what they get. Any big $$$ business won't put all its eggs in one basket, that's just asking for trouble. Plan for the future, don't let the future plan for you.

The whole problem with these scenarios isn't so much the individual as it is the media promoting it like there's no tomorrow.

So Brett Favre retired and unretired. Whoopee dooo, like he's the first and last person to ever do that. Funny how last year while the Vikings waited until the last possible second for Brett to decide, they had a backup plan. Now this year they don't and it's Favre's fault? Too bad Vikings - get your front office in order and start making smart decisions for the future instead of waiting around for someone to decide if they're going to play or not. You made your bed, now lay in it.

jbergey22 · 08-04-2010, 12:38 AM

Im a Vikings fan and dont feel betrayed at all. In fact it doesnt even seem in the same ballpark.

1. He will play this year.
2. He is old and its not as if he chose another team
3. The Vikings had more than enough chances to add another QB

After seeing the beating Favre took in the playoff game against the Saints I think any reasonable Viking fan would understand whatever decision he makes.

Left-handed Badger · 08-04-2010, 02:27 AM

Well, Favre will unretire in about a couple of weeks.

But, assuming that doesnt happen the Favre one. At least Cleveland gets an offseason to sort of adjust their roster.

Left-handed Badger · 08-04-2010, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

And how is Favre's behavior any different than the previous two off-season? Really, if I were the Vikings, I'd have been kind of expecting this.

Well, yeah, Favre has been a selfish ego-maniac for 3 training camps now.

Left-handed Badger · 08-04-2010, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

I find it hard to believe the Vikings wouldn't have made a run at McNabb or Campbell in the offseason had they known Favre was done.

McNabb maybe. I believe I'd go with Jackson over Campbell.

LeiterFanatic · 08-05-2010, 10:23 AM

Favre now says he "hasn't made his decision". what a tool.

Cooleyvol · 08-05-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LeiterFanatic

Favre now says he "hasn't made his decision". what a tool.

Show me where he said he was retiring, please. First I heard from him on the matter was to say (as he's said all along) that if he were healthy, he'd play. He's had this appt with the doctor for quite some time to evaluate his ankle.

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08-03-2010, 03:48 PM	#1
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	More Damaging: Favre or James With Farve announcing his retirement, IMO this does to Minnesota what Lebron did to Cleveland. The question is which move is more damaging? Lebron leaving crushed the entire city of Cleveland. Favre retiring may have crushed the Vikings season. Many argue that Lebron was selfish in his decision to milk his signing with Miami on ESPN and how it hurt loyal fans. Shouldn't the same be said for Favre who waited until right before preseason to make his announcement? leaving the Vikings with literally no time to find an adaquete replacement.

08-03-2010, 03:59 PM	#2
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,647	And how is Favre's behavior any different than the previous two off-season? Really, if I were the Vikings, I'd have been kind of expecting this. __________________

08-03-2010, 04:19 PM	#4
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,647	Sure, Lebron's thing was expected, but Cleveland had such a profound attachment to Lebron. I doubt that Minnesota had a similar attachment to Favre. I think it would make more sense to compare James's decision to Favre's actions after his first retirement. __________________

08-03-2010, 05:09 PM	#7
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Guess they know how the Packers and Jets feel now. And there needs to be a "yes" option. __________________ PT21 PT22

08-03-2010, 04:14 PM	#3
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Lebron's decision was expected too, does that make it any less painful for the team involved?

08-03-2010, 04:25 PM	#5
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Well, Favre certainly held the Vikes over a barrel. And it is certainly rude to wait until training camp to retire. But I doubt they would have done anything different - they were either going with Favre or the backups they have. At least he didn't wait until the end of training camp. Now the other guys can at least get reps. LeBron was native to the area, was a hometown hero, then had a one hour ESPN live special to give his hometown the finger. Not to mention the fact that the Cavs went from NBA champ contender to 35 win team in the process. I would say Favre leaving the Packers to try to go to the Bears or Vikes is more akin to the LeBron situation, though the Packers have a little more culpability than the Cavs.

08-04-2010, 12:38 AM	#9
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Im a Vikings fan and dont feel betrayed at all. In fact it doesnt even seem in the same ballpark. 1. He will play this year. 2. He is old and its not as if he chose another team 3. The Vikings had more than enough chances to add another QB After seeing the beating Favre took in the playoff game against the Saints I think any reasonable Viking fan would understand whatever decision he makes. Last edited by jbergey22; 08-04-2010 at 12:42 AM.

08-04-2010, 02:27 AM	#10
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	Well, Favre will unretire in about a couple of weeks. But, assuming that doesnt happen the Favre one. At least Cleveland gets an offseason to sort of adjust their roster. __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

08-05-2010, 10:23 AM	#13
LeiterFanatic All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 1,348	Favre now says he "hasn't made his decision". what a tool.