The official World Cup 2010 thread... - Page 29

bababui · 06-28-2010, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

So he can go over and play six times in three years? Hopefully he learned his lesson before and stays home. Beckams contract is winding down. Why don't LA just make Landon there second designated player?

This post makes me question your footie IQ.

redmarkYankees · 06-28-2010, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

A 4-1 clubbing and the loss is on England?

And the disallowed goal mattered little. Germany let up in the second half and still carved up England on the counter attacks and put two in the net.
If the score had been level Germany would have attacked more and scored anyways. They dominated play today in every aspect.

Bring on Argentina! I was not feeling very confident before todays game but now I am a believer that we can win the whole thing. Today was a wrecking.

Good luck against Argentina, though I suspect you may need it. Germany were much the better side today, though that's a little too dismissive of the role of the disallowed goal. England were open to the counter attack precisely because they were pressing forward needing a goal; at 2-2 that (and the impetus/pressure/mentality) would have been different. England might have won the game in those circumstances, without necessarily deserving to do so (England did hit the bar again and forced a couple of good saves).

Ozil was excellent, as were Schweinsteiger and the strikers. I think your CBs may struggle against Argentina - though so might theirs; could be a few goals in it.

redmarkYankees · 06-28-2010, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Paraguay finished second in SA qualifying, a point behind Brazil. Dont underestimate them.

I'm not underestimating them: they're not relevant. They are ranked 31st in the world. SA qualifying often throws up one of the big two having problems and one of the other sides appearing to be making a breakthrough. At WC level though, it doesn't happen. They simply don't have the depth. One of their star players has basically sat on PL subs benches for the past 3 seasons. They finished top of a desperately poor group.

I'd go as far to say I don't see a SA side outside of Brazil/Argentina ever winning a WC again. And what we were discussing was squad depth and pre-tournament expectations: you may be alone in world football at having higher expectations of Paraguay than England.

ukhotstove · 06-28-2010, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

A 4-1 clubbing and the loss is on England?

And the disallowed goal mattered little. Germany let up in the second half and still carved up England on the counter attacks and put two in the net.
If the score had been level Germany would have attacked more and scored anyways. They dominated play today in every aspect.

Bring on Argentina! I was not feeling very confident before todays game but now I am a believer that we can win the whole thing. Today was a wrecking.

The disallowed goal mattered little ? Obvious you know little about tactics, go and ask the German players if it mattered little and I bet you get a different answer.

Germany let up in the second half ? Yup I'm sure Loew sent them out after half time saying "take it easy", oh wait a minute he sent them out saying "we need a third goal".

You won, you deserved to win but stating the goal that wasn't allowed mattered little, well I'll borrow a quote from bababui "This post makes me question your footie IQ".

rudel.dietrich · 06-28-2010, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

This post makes me question your footie IQ.

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Have a look at the current roster. Tell me who Donovan is going to start over? Or why he is a better sub than what they have?
And this is before what is sure to be another spending spree where they could bring in even more competition in the crowded midfield/forwards

I mean for money reasons sure. Go play for them. But I would expect after the first third of a season he never breaks into the squad.

rudel.dietrich · 06-28-2010, 03:02 AM

And the second half German goals were scored off counters from a free kick and a throw in. Not from open play or a tactical shift.

Muppetus Galacticus · 06-28-2010, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

And the second half German goals were scored off counters from a free kick and a throw in. Not from open play or a tactical shift.

In both cases Gareth Barry was in a very advanced position and not covering for any counter-attack.

Jordan · 06-28-2010, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

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Have a look at the current roster. Tell me who Donovan is going to start over? Or why he is a better sub than what they have?
And this is before what is sure to be another spending spree where they could bring in even more competition in the crowded midfield/forwards

I mean for money reasons sure. Go play for them. But I would expect after the first third of a season he never breaks into the squad.

I agree with you. This may be the worst club for him to sign with actually. They ALWAYS try and buy up a bunch of players at every window. Donovan is the type of player who really has to play to keep form, and I'm not convinced he'd get the minutes he needs if he played there. Whether it be new signings, not starting, few minutes from coming off the bench, I would not want to go there if I were him.

ukhotstove · 06-28-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Every time I hear about a controversial goal in the World Cup I can't but help think of Declan Hill's book The Fix in which he exposed the degree to which match-fixing is taking place.

After seeing the disallowed goal in the England-Germany match, and the first two goals in the Argentina-Mexico match, it seems difficult to me for someone to argue that match-fixing isn't taking place.

Match fixing takes place don't let anyone tell you different, 1982 West Germany 1-0 Austria, Germans needed a 1-0 or 2-0 victory to send them through Austria also knew this would send them through. Germany scored early on and for 80 minutes they just passed the ball around and neither team wanted to score another goal knowing they'd both go through, people may not call it match fixing but if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck them trust me it's a duck.

1978 Argentina on home soil needed to beat Peru by 4 goals, they beat them 6-0 and guess what the Peruvian goalkeeper was born in Argentina. They were actually supposed to kick off at the sametime as Brazil so neither team would have an advantage but some unknown reason the Argentina game was delayed, they may not call it match fixing but dodgy dealings happen in the world cup.

ukhotstove · 06-28-2010, 07:38 AM

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Off the subject slightly but I was under the impression that England/Germany have had a fierce rivalry for many years. Is this true?

Germany and Argentina are probably England's biggest rivals, used to be Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales but they stopped playing the Home International Tournament so they aren't as big anymore. Some may say that the Germany, England rivalry isn't important to German fans but a reporter for Die Welt reckons the only rivalry bigger for German fans is the Holland rivalry.

ukhotstove · 06-28-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan

I agree with you. This may be the worst club for him to sign with actually. They ALWAYS try and buy up a bunch of players at every window. Donovan is the type of player who really has to play to keep form, and I'm not convinced he'd get the minutes he needs if he played there. Whether it be new signings, not starting, few minutes from coming off the bench, I would not want to go there if I were him.

He'd be better of going back to Everton.

redmarkYankees · 06-28-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan

I agree with you. This may be the worst club for him to sign with actually. They ALWAYS try and buy up a bunch of players at every window. Donovan is the type of player who really has to play to keep form, and I'm not convinced he'd get the minutes he needs if he played there. Whether it be new signings, not starting, few minutes from coming off the bench, I would not want to go there if I were him.

It's a pretty recent phenomenon, since they became the richest club. Initially they attracted only the maverick/mercenary type but are gradually attracting better and better players. It's worth noting that if you believe every British tabloid transfer story, City will sign about 75 players this summer. The vast majority of transfer stories are pure speculation. I agree though, it wouldn't be a good football move for Donovan.

LFC1892 · 06-28-2010, 08:29 AM

If he'll play for 50 pounds a week and some hot chips, Liverpool will have him....doubt we can afford to pay him any more then that!

mlyons · 06-28-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

So he can go over and play six times in three years? Hopefully he learned his lesson before and stays home. Beckams contract is winding down. Why don't LA just make Landon there second designated player?

Because he already is?

LFC1892 · 06-28-2010, 09:27 AM

Is Woy looking like getting the Liverpool gig(sucker for punishment?).

Last I heard he was, but why would Liverpool approach Deschamps(and get rejected) if Hodgson was all but sewn up?

Cooleyvol · 06-28-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

And the second half German goals were scored off counters from a free kick and a throw in. Not from open play or a tactical shift.

There's no doubt the German side was superior, but there's also no doubt that a 2-2 HT score would have changed the second half entirely.

redmarkYankees · 06-28-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LFC1892

Is Woy looking like getting the Liverpool gig(sucker for punishment?).

Last I heard he was, but why would Liverpool approach Deschamps(and get rejected) if Hodgson was all but sewn up?

I think the tabloids are making it up as they go along. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone approached had turned us down.

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gbmoore121 · 06-28-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

Paraguay?

Pre-tournament, bookies had England at 3rd favourites behind Spain and Brazil.

I think England was only at those odds because people were willing to bet on them at those odds. Has more to do with the country's supporters than their actual talent level.

redmarkYankees · 06-28-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gbmoore121

I think England was only at those odds because people were willing to bet on them at those odds. Has more to do with the country's supporters than their actual talent level.

The rest of the world doesn't bet on football?

Ragnar · 06-28-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Match fixing takes place don't let anyone tell you different, 1982 West Germany 1-0 Austria, Germans needed a 1-0 or 2-0 victory to send them through Austria also knew this would send them through. Germany scored early on and for 80 minutes they just passed the ball around and neither team wanted to score another goal knowing they'd both go through, people may not call it match fixing but if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck them trust me it's a duck.

Isn't this the game that caused them to play later round group matches at the same time?

Anyway, I wouldn't use this as an example of a fix. I'd say what they did was just common sense for knowing what they needed to know ahead of time.

A good example is the Argentina goal against Mexico. How can you miss that off sides? You can see it in live play it was so obvious. No one was between him and the GL. Fishy.

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