ACC votes to expand.

Scott Vibert · 05-13-2003, 07:17 PM

http://espn.go.com/ncaa/news/2003/0513/1553257.html

Gamewiz · 05-13-2003, 07:28 PM

Nooooo, Maryland will never win the ACC now with Miami there to dominate.

The only plus is that FSU will not either

MuscularCarrot · 05-13-2003, 07:29 PM

That is going to be one very tough football conference.

Matt Davis · 05-13-2003, 07:53 PM

Yay im a FSU fan and I still like this move, yes it makes the conference a heck of alot harder to win with Miami in it, but it will make the conference funner to watch when we actually have alittle bit more competition. Its kinda boring seeing are team woop up on a school 40 to nothing for example.

PittPanther · 05-13-2003, 08:22 PM

If this means that Pitt will slide into the Big Ten, then I'm all for it as well.

Eventually the Big Ten will also want to go with 12 teams, and with Notre Dame owning their own television network and unwilling to share the bonanza, Pitt would be a logical choice geographically, not to mention the fact that they have two programs that can hold their own in conference play.

But, at the same time, I would hate to see Big East basketball dissolve, which what is exactly what will happen if Cuse jumps ship with Miami.

However, that article talked about the Big East raiding Conference USA and the Atlantic 10 as well, so who knows. Should be very interesting.

Money talks, even in college sports, which really starts to get to me after awhile. But so the world turns.

Kronos · 05-13-2003, 08:31 PM

This is good news, IF miami actually goes through with the move.

Dwolfson20 · 05-14-2003, 01:22 AM

I'm disappointed by this. Tradition obviously means nothing these days, as money has long since supplanted it on the priority list.

holyroller · 05-14-2003, 01:23 AM

Bye bye Big East. Was nice knowin ya.

rferry · 05-14-2003, 01:54 AM

what will that divisional break-up look like?

cooper_gd · 05-14-2003, 08:20 AM

College Football teams that no longer matter... if they ever did. Might as well go to the MAC and C-USA... leave the Big East as bball only.

fluharty · 05-14-2003, 09:12 AM

So, what will this mean to a school like WVU? I mean, in terms of revenue from football?

cooper_gd · 05-14-2003, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by fluharty
So, what will this mean to a school like WVU? I mean, in terms of revenue from football?

Toilet. Plain and simple. An improving basketball and football team, as far as WVU goes, but that will have a big emergency brake thrown on it.

What recruits are they going to get now? Next year... hey, come to Big East... we play Pitt and Rutgers?

Will the Big East raid the MAC and C-USA? Marshall, Ohio U, Louisville? Will that help?

The Big East is in trouble.

edit: No Boston, FLa or NY TV market to sell recruits? - these guys out of high school who wanna play in the pros some day? Come to Morgantown where the state will love you (ie Major Harris) - but no one on the planet outside of the state will see you play?

The Big East brass as well of the powers that be at the respective schools will try and spin it - some how - but the fact remains that the Big East is in a lot of trouble.

fluharty · 05-14-2003, 09:31 AM

My other question is, can WVU get in to the ACC or another conference?

cooper_gd · 05-14-2003, 09:53 AM

If ACC wanted, they would have asked - and they did not. Nor Big 10 (not a fit anyway) which is about the only other conference that needs to expand.

I figure that those that cannot stand on their basketball legs may have to go a few rungs down... MAC or C-USA, to keep any kind of football program.

Scott Vibert · 05-14-2003, 10:57 AM

Two things... its not necessarily a done deal yet (but sure is close).

First Miami will only go with BC and Syracuse. But Virginia, when casting their vote in favor of expansion requested Virginia Tech instead of BC. (Virginia did this under pressure from the state government which threatened to slash funding to UVa; if the ACC killed off the Big East without invited Virgina Tech)

Secondly Miami has agreed to at least listen to the Big East's last ditch offer to keep them. Who knows what they'll pull out; but its expected to be some sort of compromise where the Big East may purge itself of the non-Football Teams in its conference while possibly adding a couple of other teams. Unfortunately short of a major team joining the Big East (While Notre Dame and Penn State were mentioned those are of course just pipe dreams); I'm guessing whatever offer they make will not be enough.

Which for me makes this a sad day. As a Big East fan, I would argue that even if Miami had left, if it were only Miami the Big East would still be as strong and possibly stronger then the ACC in football still, which IMO is why Miami insisted that Syracuse and BC come too. As a byproduct this will also kill off one of the top conferences in College Hoops (horribly underrated IMO); and bastardize the great tradition of ACC hoops (no more twice annual meetings with UMd and Duke, etc.).

What I'm guessing will happen is the Big East will survive in some weakened form. The basketball only members will probably be cast aside left to form their own conference, perhaps raiding some A-10 teams (Maybe a Notre Dame, St. John's, Providence, Villanova, Seton Hall, Georgetown, Xavier, Dayton type conference?); the Football members will raid C-USA to keep their numbers highenough to exist: UConn, Temple (member in all sports), Rutgers, BC/Va. Tech, Pitt, West Virginia, Lousiville, South Florida/Central Florida (they want the Florida recruiting base), and possibly Cincinnati or a Marshall (helping either the hoops or football league).

Pitt will probably hear from the Big Ten; although I've heard some say that Paterno at Penn State would be dead set against Pitt joining (and other rumors that Penn State wanted out of the Big Ten). If Va. Tech doesn't go to the ACC I'd assume they'd hear offers from several conferences, but unfortunately only a revamped Big East would make a lot of sense for them geographically.

My Pipe Dream (fantasy land) if Miami left taking 'Cuse and Va. Tech would be for the Big East football to survive as:
UConn, BC, Pitt, West Virginia, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Penn State, Temple, and one team from Louisville, Marshall, Cincinnati type group.... but this of course will NOT happen and the Big East is as good as dead.

OldGiants · 05-14-2003, 01:02 PM

Just because the ACC voted to expand doe NOT mean its a done deal.

Having Rutgers (yep, the NYC market is crucial, don't ever think its not. Money, money, money) in the ACC along with BC, Syracuse and Miami was considered a 'done deal' at one point when Florida State joined. didn't happen then, won't happen now.

At most some schools will join the ACC for football only, and keep basketball as it is. It was only a few years ago that Va Tech was Big East in football only, A-10 for all else.

And the statement above about the Virginia legislature threatening UVA with reduced funding is blatantly untrue. What's true is that the Governor has come out and publicly asked the ACC to consider VT, but he's not that big a jackass to threaten Casteen with further budget cuts. He knows he needs to pressure the ACC, not UVA.

TC Dale · 05-14-2003, 01:21 PM

I am wondering, if Penn State leaves the Big Ten, and to me that would be a big surprise, seeing how they are always in the hunt for the Rose Bowl... It is only Ohio State and Michigan usually that makes the final two to join Penn State in competition... Yes I know that Wisconsin has made strides, but , reality here...

Why would Penn State oppose Pitt? Because of their coach I assume. He has ducked Pitt for years if I remember right. I am not sold on the Pittsburgh university joining the Big Ten, but, would agree that they probably would be a good fit.

Instead of going east, I would rather see the Big Ten go past the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers and snare some teams. Louisville or Kentucky or Tennessee would be a good choice, and Missouri or Nebraska or Iowa State would also be another choice.

I would rather see teams brought in from South and West than the East.

I really am at a loss with Big East. Should they become a basketball conference only? That would gut the history and prestige the league has had if it only goes one sport only conference.

If Syracuse and BC and Miami leaves, I am afraid the Big East will be a patchy shadow of what they used to be. Sad that.

Gastric ReFlux · 05-14-2003, 01:25 PM

I heard Penn State would like to see Pitt in the Big 10. Have the in-state rivalry be restored would be welcome news to the merchants of State College I suspect.

PittPanther · 05-14-2003, 06:38 PM

Paterno is pushing for Pitt joining the Big Ten according to every source in PA.

PittPanther · 05-14-2003, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cooper_gd

College Football teams that no longer matter... if they ever did. Might as well go to the MAC and C-USA... leave the Big East as bball only.

This is a very silly post. If the Big East loses three teams, they will plunder those conferences and form a new league.

As for the comment that those teams "no longer matter...if they ever did", that was a below the belt shot and not realistic in any way.

05-13-2003, 07:17 PM	#1
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	ACC votes to expand. http://espn.go.com/ncaa/news/2003/0513/1553257.html

05-13-2003, 07:53 PM	#4
Matt Davis Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tavares, Florida Posts: 148	Yay im a FSU fan and I still like this move, yes it makes the conference a heck of alot harder to win with Miami in it, but it will make the conference funner to watch when we actually have alittle bit more competition. Its kinda boring seeing are team woop up on a school 40 to nothing for example. __________________ Matt Davis (Smerfmatt) Total Pro Basketball Assistant Community Manager .400 Software Studios Need Webhosting for anything or for a simleague. Check http://simleagues.com/ Remember to say smerfmatt sent you so you can get a discount.

05-13-2003, 08:22 PM	#5
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,235	If this means that Pitt will slide into the Big Ten, then I'm all for it as well. Eventually the Big Ten will also want to go with 12 teams, and with Notre Dame owning their own television network and unwilling to share the bonanza, Pitt would be a logical choice geographically, not to mention the fact that they have two programs that can hold their own in conference play. But, at the same time, I would hate to see Big East basketball dissolve, which what is exactly what will happen if Cuse jumps ship with Miami. However, that article talked about the Big East raiding Conference USA and the Atlantic 10 as well, so who knows. Should be very interesting. Money talks, even in college sports, which really starts to get to me after awhile. But so the world turns. __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

05-14-2003, 01:22 AM	#7
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872	I'm disappointed by this. Tradition obviously means nothing these days, as money has long since supplanted it on the priority list. __________________

05-14-2003, 01:23 AM	#8
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Bye bye Big East. Was nice knowin ya. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

05-13-2003, 07:28 PM	#2
Gamewiz Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3	Nooooo, Maryland will never win the ACC now with Miami there to dominate. The only plus is that FSU will not either

05-13-2003, 07:29 PM	#3
MuscularCarrot Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8	That is going to be one very tough football conference.

05-13-2003, 08:31 PM	#6
Kronos Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Northern Ky. Posts: 318	This is good news, IF miami actually goes through with the move.

05-14-2003, 01:54 AM	#9
rferry All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: DC Posts: 549	what will that divisional break-up look like? __________________ please excuse my grammar, i read baseball weekly in my high school english classes.

05-14-2003, 08:20 AM	#10
cooper_gd All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: PopBunker.net Posts: 1,011	College Football teams that no longer matter... if they ever did. Might as well go to the MAC and C-USA... leave the Big East as bball only. Last edited by cooper_gd; 05-14-2003 at 09:17 AM.

05-14-2003, 09:12 AM	#11
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	So, what will this mean to a school like WVU? I mean, in terms of revenue from football?

05-14-2003, 09:31 AM	#13
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	My other question is, can WVU get in to the ACC or another conference?

05-14-2003, 09:53 AM	#14
cooper_gd All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: PopBunker.net Posts: 1,011	If ACC wanted, they would have asked - and they did not. Nor Big 10 (not a fit anyway) which is about the only other conference that needs to expand. I figure that those that cannot stand on their basketball legs may have to go a few rungs down... MAC or C-USA, to keep any kind of football program. __________________

05-14-2003, 10:57 AM	#15
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	Two things... its not necessarily a done deal yet (but sure is close). First Miami will only go with BC and Syracuse. But Virginia, when casting their vote in favor of expansion requested Virginia Tech instead of BC. (Virginia did this under pressure from the state government which threatened to slash funding to UVa; if the ACC killed off the Big East without invited Virgina Tech) Secondly Miami has agreed to at least listen to the Big East's last ditch offer to keep them. Who knows what they'll pull out; but its expected to be some sort of compromise where the Big East may purge itself of the non-Football Teams in its conference while possibly adding a couple of other teams. Unfortunately short of a major team joining the Big East (While Notre Dame and Penn State were mentioned those are of course just pipe dreams); I'm guessing whatever offer they make will not be enough. Which for me makes this a sad day. As a Big East fan, I would argue that even if Miami had left, if it were only Miami the Big East would still be as strong and possibly stronger then the ACC in football still, which IMO is why Miami insisted that Syracuse and BC come too. As a byproduct this will also kill off one of the top conferences in College Hoops (horribly underrated IMO); and bastardize the great tradition of ACC hoops (no more twice annual meetings with UMd and Duke, etc.). What I'm guessing will happen is the Big East will survive in some weakened form. The basketball only members will probably be cast aside left to form their own conference, perhaps raiding some A-10 teams (Maybe a Notre Dame, St. John's, Providence, Villanova, Seton Hall, Georgetown, Xavier, Dayton type conference?); the Football members will raid C-USA to keep their numbers highenough to exist: UConn, Temple (member in all sports), Rutgers, BC/Va. Tech, Pitt, West Virginia, Lousiville, South Florida/Central Florida (they want the Florida recruiting base), and possibly Cincinnati or a Marshall (helping either the hoops or football league). Pitt will probably hear from the Big Ten; although I've heard some say that Paterno at Penn State would be dead set against Pitt joining (and other rumors that Penn State wanted out of the Big Ten). If Va. Tech doesn't go to the ACC I'd assume they'd hear offers from several conferences, but unfortunately only a revamped Big East would make a lot of sense for them geographically. My Pipe Dream (fantasy land) if Miami left taking 'Cuse and Va. Tech would be for the Big East football to survive as: UConn, BC, Pitt, West Virginia, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Penn State, Temple, and one team from Louisville, Marshall, Cincinnati type group.... but this of course will NOT happen and the Big East is as good as dead.

05-14-2003, 01:02 PM	#16
OldGiants Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 211	Just because the ACC voted to expand doe NOT mean its a done deal. Having Rutgers (yep, the NYC market is crucial, don't ever think its not. Money, money, money) in the ACC along with BC, Syracuse and Miami was considered a 'done deal' at one point when Florida State joined. didn't happen then, won't happen now. At most some schools will join the ACC for football only, and keep basketball as it is. It was only a few years ago that Va Tech was Big East in football only, A-10 for all else. And the statement above about the Virginia legislature threatening UVA with reduced funding is blatantly untrue. What's true is that the Governor has come out and publicly asked the ACC to consider VT, but he's not that big a jackass to threaten Casteen with further budget cuts. He knows he needs to pressure the ACC, not UVA.

05-14-2003, 01:21 PM	#17
TC Dale Global Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,978	I am wondering, if Penn State leaves the Big Ten, and to me that would be a big surprise, seeing how they are always in the hunt for the Rose Bowl... It is only Ohio State and Michigan usually that makes the final two to join Penn State in competition... Yes I know that Wisconsin has made strides, but , reality here... Why would Penn State oppose Pitt? Because of their coach I assume. He has ducked Pitt for years if I remember right. I am not sold on the Pittsburgh university joining the Big Ten, but, would agree that they probably would be a good fit. Instead of going east, I would rather see the Big Ten go past the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers and snare some teams. Louisville or Kentucky or Tennessee would be a good choice, and Missouri or Nebraska or Iowa State would also be another choice. I would rather see teams brought in from South and West than the East. I really am at a loss with Big East. Should they become a basketball conference only? That would gut the history and prestige the league has had if it only goes one sport only conference. If Syracuse and BC and Miami leaves, I am afraid the Big East will be a patchy shadow of what they used to be. Sad that. __________________ ----------------------------------

05-14-2003, 01:25 PM	#18
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I heard Penn State would like to see Pitt in the Big 10. Have the in-state rivalry be restored would be welcome news to the merchants of State College I suspect.

05-14-2003, 06:38 PM	#19
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,235	Paterno is pushing for Pitt joining the Big Ten according to every source in PA. __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!