The official World Cup 2010 thread...

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

the Chili goal

...is deliciousness.

Looked offside to me, but I'm no expert. All of a sudden, Group H looks like it could have three teams ending up with 6 points each, which would be interesting.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by bababui

Uruguay played 20 qualifying matches.

If we start with say 180 nations competing for places in the final 32 and, with seeding, teams now played a home and away elimination series rather than group play, there would be far fewer qualifying matches.

CONMEBOL picked the format that would need more games by themselves. They could have divided into groups and reduce the number of games if they want. OFC has the same number of teams but played much fewer games.


In the mean time, going with purely elimination would be horrible for weak teams. That means their national teams would only get two games in four years. For weak national clubs that's already not good at organizing, it's death sentence for their football development.

[Le Grande Orange]

Somebody wake me up when the start penalizing the diving and the fake injury theatrics that seem to accompany almost every match. It's bloody ridiculous.

[mlyons]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Did anyone think that guy was off sides on the Chili goal?

What do they go by? Just feet or any part of the body?

None of the active players were offside. One guy was offside but didn't get involved in the play at all. It would have been a bit harsh to call that back, I think.

[kenyan_cheena]

Don't all these actors realise that they are calling their own manhood into question every time they fall down in a screaming heap?

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by mlyons

None of the active players were offside. One guy was offside but didn't get involved in the play at all. It would have been a bit harsh to call that back, I think.

Actually I thought the guy that actually got the pass was offsides.

I found it......It's at the 1:06 mark of this vid. The vid actually pauses for you at that time. But you are right, there was another guy not in the play that was in the offsides position.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv6Aai-Aw2s

[LFC1892]

Originally Posted by kenyan_cheena

Don't all these actors realise that they are calling their own manhood into question every time they fall down in a screaming heap?

Ssssshhhhh KC, it's apparently "part of the game".

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Somebody wake me up when the start penalizing the diving and the fake injury theatrics that seem to accompany almost every match. It's bloody ridiculous.

Nothing stopping any of the football associations from looking at tapes of games and banning the cheats, they'd soon stop doing it. All it needs is a bit of common sense something which most if not all ruling bodies of any sport seem to lack.

[ukhotstove]

Far as offsides they need to go back to the old rule and none of this active rubbish.

[Ragnar]

Aah, but what I am saying is that the guy receiving the pass was off sides.

Anyway.....I am enjoying the South Africa/France match immensely

[jaxmagicman]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Nothing stopping any of the football associations from looking at tapes of games and banning the cheats, they'd soon stop doing it. All it needs is a bit of common sense something which most if not all ruling bodies of any sport seem to lack.

I would be so in favor of this in all sports. Let the refs make the mistake, because hey it is human error, but watch the replay and if it is someone diving, then suspend them for the next game. Fine them too. Say, you undermined the ability of the ref to call the game fairly.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

I would be so in favor of this in all sports. Let the refs make the mistake, because hey it is human error, but watch the replay and if it is someone diving, then suspend them for the next game. Fine them too. Say, you undermined the ability of the ref to call the game fairly.

Every sport already undermines the officials, any sport that uses instant replay already does any sport that as an appeals process against bans and such already does. So I don't see how checking to see if players cheated will change things apart from hitting the cheats with bans and fines.

[jaxmagicman]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Every sport already undermines the officials, any sport that uses instant replay already does any sport that as an appeals process against bans and such already does. So I don't see how checking to see if players cheated will change things apart from hitting the cheats with bans and fines.

Get hit with enough fines and bans and you will stop diving. That is how it will change it. They do it now by because they know that they will get away with it. Fine them, or ban them for their cheating and it will stop almost instantly.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Get hit with enough fines and bans and you will stop diving. That is how it will change it. They do it now by because they know that they will get away with it. Fine them, or ban them for their cheating and it will stop almost instantly.

Oh I totally agree with you, why they don't I have no idea. Too busy changing things that don't need changing ?

[JWay]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Oh I totally agree with you, why they don't I have no idea. Too busy changing things that don't need changing ?

My best uneducated guess is that you'd be opening a whole new can of worms. You lose some of the flopping, then have issues which the definition of a flop, and what offenses should be laid out.

[rudel.dietrich]

With their domestic league being the most unimportant of the major European leagues and their national team having both engines on fire and spiraling towards the ground, France needs a complete and total overhaul of their FA.
That was a completely miserable performance and everyone from the top to the bottom of their system should be ashamed.
As much as I dislike their national team that entire episode became painful to watch and I was hoping it would end differently.

[95Marinerschangedmylife]

Originally Posted by JWay

My best uneducated guess is that you'd be opening a whole new can of worms. You lose some of the flopping, then have issues which the definition of a flop, and what offenses should be laid out.

I agree with you. We aren't talking about baseball, basketball, or even American football. We are talking about the only game thats viewed by billions. The flopping has been there forever and I would hate to have to be the one to make the "gray area" judgement that changed the World Cup. Remember when Clemens got thrown out in the 2nd for arguing? Imagine that times 1,000.

[Jordan]

I just wonder if most of this team ever represents France again. My guess is Malouda and Ribery are among those who will, but I don't know about anyone else. I hope this leads to a downfall of France for awhile. Haha. Yes I'm still mad about France-Brazil

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by JWay

My best uneducated guess is that you'd be opening a whole new can of worms. You lose some of the flopping, then have issues which the definition of a flop, and what offenses should be laid out.

No what I'm talking about are the dives that have no contact at all the clear cut ones, also the what I would call cheating when one player pushes another in the chest and the player that as been pushed goes down grabbing his face like he's been punched in the face. We all see those happen on numerous occasions, does FIFA, UEFA, FA, SFA etc not see them ?

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by 95Marinerschangedmylife

I agree with you. We aren't talking about baseball, basketball, or even American football. We are talking about the only game thats viewed by billions. The flopping has been there forever and I would hate to have to be the one to make the "gray area" judgement that changed the World Cup. Remember when Clemens got thrown out in the 2nd for arguing? Imagine that times 1,000.

I agree it's always been there even players of years gone by admit they have taken a dive, Rodney Marsh springs to mind but it's got to the stage were it's just pathetic.