Hanley Ramirez

[RandyTiger]

Hanley says he'll apologize to Marlins, according to MLB.com.

It doesn't appear he's addressing his actions personally, only that:

"I regret that all this has gotten so ugly," Ramirez told the website in Spanish during a phone interview. "It wasn't my intention to create a distraction.

"I feel bad that things got to this point; the team and the fans don't deserve it. Here, we're all professionals and we're after the same things. I'm going to try to end this matter and focus on playing baseball."

Somehow, that statement doesn't sit very well with me. Where's the personal accountability?

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by RandyTiger

Hanley says he'll apologize to Marlins, according to MLB.com.

It doesn't appear he's addressing his actions personally, only that:



Somehow, that statement doesn't sit very well with me.

A non-apology apology.

Marlins need to trade this guy. His tude outweighs his athletic ability.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

The left fielder had charged the ball in case it dropped for a hit, since it was hit to straight-away left. He was in the right spot. It wasn't his job to be backing up that play, and even if he had been in a back-up position, he would've been nowhere near where the ball had been kicked to.

I'm not sure why he's even being brought up.

Ok. I havent actually seen the play. I've just read about it.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Your guys will be healthy and the end of the season and enjoying a nice long vacation. You dont win in sports without giving your best effort every time out. It's what seperates the winners and the losers.

Do you think Ted Williams hit .400 by giving away at bats? Do you think Peyton Manning is the best QB the NFL has ever seen because he skips out early on team meetings? Do you think Michael Jordan is arguably the best player the NBA has ever seen because he would take it easy on the court?

Now we can look at these lazier players and see how their careers evolved. Jamarcus Russell? Andruw Jones? Stephon Marbury?

I think I will take my chances on the guys that give their max effort and risk the injury over the guys that dont but atleast they stay healthy.

Randy Moss is another great example. When things are going his way and he is playing with max effort he is probably the best WR the NFL has ever seen. When he plays with a thumb up his ass and acts like its him against the world he is pretty ordinary.

I do agree that the leftfielder should get blamed for this as well. Im not sure who it was or what he was doing but yes he should have been backing that play up. It still doesnt excuse Hanley for not hustling. If a corner in the NFL get toasted in the NFL should he just stand there and watch the safety try and cover up for his mistake?

The greatest compliment I ever received was when I was an 9 year old baseball player. My manager, was an old man, who claimed to play with Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth. He told me that I wasn't as good as some of the other players, but that he liked my hustle, just like the young Cincinatti player, Pete Rose.

I wished I remembered the old guy's name...but I do remember looking him up on baseball-reference.com. Sure as ****, he had a cup of coffee in the Major Leagues. Nobody believed him back then....this would have been in 1965 or so.

It is inexcusable, and indefensible to state that the player was pacing himself, or that he didn't have to hustle. You hustle, ALL the time. In my office, if you don't hustle, you and I get to have a talk. Not about baseball.

[RandyTiger]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Ok. I havent actually seen the play. I've just read about it.

Take a look at the play:

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/video...ent_id=8077975

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by RandyTiger

Take a look at the play:

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | ARI@FLA: Hanley misplays ball, removed from the game - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

Thanks a lot! It was even worse that I imagined. I had looked on youtube for that play with no success.

[NYY #23]

His apology kind of reads like "I'm sorry you don't see things my way. It's really a shame my teammates and fans can't see I'm right and I can do whatever I want."

Sad.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

The left fielder had charged the ball in case it dropped for a hit, since it was hit to straight-away left. He was in the right spot. It wasn't his job to be backing up that play, and even if he had been in a back-up position, he would've been nowhere near where the ball had been kicked to.

I'm not sure why he's even being brought up.

Agree. There's nothing to back up on that play, a pop-up that drops in, until Ramirez kicks it down the line. LF is coming in while the SS is going out; neither is in position to back-up what comes next.

Also agree with people that say these guys need to hustle, game or not. You know why? They make $$ millions for playing a game, and we fans are all paying them, directly or indirectly. For what they are making, they need to put in maximum effort to produce the best quality play because that is what they are getting paid to do.

Not to mention what he owes to the Marlins fans who came to the park to cheer him and his teammates. I don't care if there were only 500 of them; they are the other, even more important reason why it was important for Ramirez to move his ass.

And, jazzrack, I don't care about how many other players have jaked it and not been noticed or punished, it's still wrong. As are you, for having made this condescending statement: "the guy is playing a flipping baseball game get over yourselves." People put a lot into baseball, you know? I'm not just talking about the players, either. Just because you don't give a crap doesn't mean others have to get over themselves.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

You're joking, aren't you?

Jogging slowly after that ball is not working smarter.

His teammates are coming out of the woodwork to rip him. Helms, Uggla, and others are all ripping him, and supporting their manager.

Dang, I am agreeing with dsvitak and disagreeing with jazzrack. Am I starring in an episode of the Twilight Zone?

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

The greatest compliment I ever received was when I was an 9 year old baseball player. My manager, was an old man, who claimed to play with Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth. He told me that I wasn't as good as some of the other players, but that he liked my hustle, just like the young Cincinatti player, Pete Rose.

I wished I remembered the old guy's name...but I do remember looking him up on baseball-reference.com. Sure as ****, he had a cup of coffee in the Major Leagues. Nobody believed him back then....this would have been in 1965 or so.

It is inexcusable, and indefensible to state that the player was pacing himself, or that he didn't have to hustle. You hustle, ALL the time. In my office, if you don't hustle, you and I get to have a talk. Not about baseball.

Indeed, one thing that put an impression on me when I was little. Was my dad was the coach of the church softball team. Even the last couple of years before he hung it up when he was in his 40s with a bad back and his calves sometimes cramping, he would hustle. He did it (well actually primarily that was the way he always played) to some extent to let the young ballplayers know "If I can gut through this at my age, you should well be able to do at half my age". I always tried to remember that when I was playing baseball in high school.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Agree. There's nothing to back up on that play, a pop-up that drops in, until Ramirez kicks it down the line. LF is coming in while the SS is going out; neither is in position to back-up what comes next.

Also agree with people that say these guys need to hustle, game or not. You know why? They make $$ millions for playing a game, and we fans are all paying them, directly or indirectly. For what they are making, they need to put in maximum effort to produce the best quality play because that is what they are getting paid to do.

Not to mention what he owes to the Marlins fans who came to the park to cheer him and his teammates. I don't care if there were only 500 of them; they are the other, even more important reason why it was important for Ramirez to move his ass.

And, jazzrack, I don't care about how many other players have jaked it and not been noticed or punished, it's still wrong. As are you, for having made this condescending statement: "the guy is playing a flipping baseball game get over yourselves." People put a lot into baseball, you know? I'm not just talking about the players, either. Just because you don't give a crap doesn't mean others have to get over themselves.

Well people (including myself) probably do put too much into their sports entertainment. But, that would belong in a whole other topic.

[Left-handed Badger]

ANyhow, I can respect the fact that he might have been hurting, but that doesnt change the eventual outcome. If you are too hurt to hustle, then you are too hurt to play. You should just take yourself out, in that case.

[jaxmagicman]

Ramirez 3 hits in helping his team win, Pujols 1 hit in a loss.

I guess we won't be hearing much anymore about how this clown who only plays 1B is the best player in the Major Leagues.

I know one game does not make a player better or not. I know Pujols is the better player, but to discount everything Hanley has done up to know because of one bad play is just as bad as what I just did.

[Jordan]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Ramirez 3 hits in helping his team win, Pujols 1 hit in a loss.

I guess we won't be hearing much anymore about how this clown who only plays 1B is the best player in the Major Leagues.

I know one game does not make a player better or not. I know Pujols is the better player, but to discount everything Hanley has done up to know because of one bad play is just as bad as what I just did.

lolz at the part people can see

[RchW]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

You hustle, ALL the time. In my office, if you don't hustle, you and I get to have a talk. Not about baseball.

Venturing OT here, but do you watch your workers that closely that you can identify hustle vs looking busy? What about results?. When I was in product development and formulation I used to sit with my feet up on my desk looking at data reading texts and doodling. I used to wander around the factory just looking at processes over and over. People who didn't know me thought I was dogging it. Later on when I formulated products that saved $20,000 here and 100,000 there or doubled profits, or led to patents, they understood that appearances can be deceiving.

I understand visible hustle on the Baseball field but it has little connection to any type of work that requires long term thinking and experimentation. Working smart is way more important. Results are absolutely important.

I'm glad I don't work in your office.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by RchW

Venturing OT here, but do you watch your workers that closely that you can identify hustle vs looking busy? What about results?. When I was in product development and formulation I used to sit with my feet up on my desk looking at data reading texts and doodling. I used to wander around the factory just looking at processes over and over. People who didn't know me thought I was dogging it. Later on when I formulated products that saved $20,000 here and 100,000 there or doubled profits, or led to patents, they understood that appearances can be deceiving.

I understand visible hustle on the Baseball field but it has little connection to any type of work that requires long term thinking and experimentation. Working smart is way more important. Results are absolutely important.

I'm glad I don't work in your office.

I may be wrong but I took the reference as him talking about a managers office not an actual office he works in but I could be wrong.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Ramirez 3 hits in helping his team win, Pujols 1 hit in a loss.

I guess we won't be hearing much anymore about how this clown who only plays 1B is the best player in the Major Leagues.

I know one game does not make a player better or not. I know Pujols is the better player, but to discount everything Hanley has done up to know because of one bad play is just as bad as what I just did.

I don't discount his skillz. I discount him as a human being. That's the difference. He's an idiot, and he would be an idiot if he hit .400.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by RchW

Venturing OT here, but do you watch your workers that closely that you can identify hustle vs looking busy? What about results?. When I was in product development and formulation I used to sit with my feet up on my desk looking at data reading texts and doodling. I used to wander around the factory just looking at processes over and over. People who didn't know me thought I was dogging it. Later on when I formulated products that saved $20,000 here and 100,000 there or doubled profits, or led to patents, they understood that appearances can be deceiving.

I understand visible hustle on the Baseball field but it has little connection to any type of work that requires long term thinking and experimentation. Working smart is way more important. Results are absolutely important.

I'm glad I don't work in your office.

This is where I agree with Jazzrack. I like working smarter, not harder, in a business office.

It is MY job to provide the tools and training for my workers. I have also, CAREFULLY, allocated the workload.

I can tell you, with a high degree of confidence, who my best workers are. I know how long each workcenter task takes.

If you are glad that you don't work for me, you shouldn't be. If you work smarter, and are more productive as a result, then you get more work. And, if you manage to get that done, more work still.

Eventually, you would be reasonably busy, and a HIGHLY valued and compensated employee. The 20% of the workers I have that do 50% of the work are the ones that get 8% raises per year.

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

I don't discount his skillz. I discount him as a human being. That's the difference. He's an idiot, and he would be an idiot if he hit .400.

hmmm...something changed...I liked your first response better

[jazzrack]

did any of you see the inside the park homer the other day, did you see morgan loaf it after his mindless hustle put him out of control and he had no real play on the ball. first he hangs on the wall, then he stands there like an oaf for a second before he decides he is still the closest guy to the ball and should probably go after it....

where is the outrage!?!?!?

but i did find out what was so different about the play i saw and the play you guys saw, i saw mine with the sound off, the first time i watched it i was listening to music so i didn't hear yet another self-rightous sports media blowhard act like some player just stole his kids lunch money.

call him out for loafing it or not i really don't care, but it is arbitrary and meaningless. and one of the main reasons i find myself enjoying sports less and less.