Mark Buehrle

[Jordan]

It's a shame that anyone thinks that someone who can throw a no-no and a perfect game is somehow overrated. He's not some flash in the pan. And he's got a ring

[SmoothGentleman]

The only thing I see wrong with his stats is the 10 for movement..he should be up there a bit more than that. He sometimes gets hit hard, but he can pitch a masterful game when he's hitting his spots.

I'm a Cubs fan and I think the guy is a great pitcher who will give you all he has with not the best stuff.

[EKomrska15]

Originally Posted by Jordan

It's a shame that anyone thinks that someone who can throw a no-no and a perfect game is somehow overrated. He's not some flash in the pan. And he's got a ring

Joe Cowley pitched a no-hitter

[Kelric]

Originally Posted by EKomrska15

Joe Cowley pitched a no-hitter

As did Bud Smith and many others.

[EKomrska15]

Originally Posted by Kelric

As did Bud Smith and many others.

So what I'm saying just because you pitch a no-hitter it does not mean you are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Stats are stats and statistically he has been no better then Zambrano in his career or Ted Lilly the past 3 years.

However, if you asked White Sox fans a good majority of them would take Buerhle over those 2 and Peavy. If you want to say Peavy turned down a trade to come here that's fine, however, on NUMEROUS occasions Buerhle mentioned his affinity for the Cardinals and his desire to play for them.

[CardinalsFan]

Buehrle isn't this bad in real life.

[funkadillo]

Originally Posted by Articula

Mark Buehrle is going to stink in this game because what he brings to real life baseball is something that can't be detected by stats. The man gets batters off balance, changes speeds, and pitches to weak contact. He flat-out knows how to pitch. All of his peripherals would suggest he should be getting smacked around all the time, yet he's good enough to pitch both a no-hitter and perfect game. He consistently pitches deep into games and never gets hurt whilst almost always giving his team a chance to win. I'd take Mark Buehrle on any team in real life. Unfortunately, stats based games don't do him justice.

Why can't those things be mimicked in game, though?

Set his injury rating to extremely low and his stamina high. Set his control and defense very high, and the other ratings to the point that they should be able to produce accurate stats.

I think the big problem here is that older guys are butchered in the MLB quick start by ratings falling way too quickly. You have to lower player aging drastically and constantly keep an eye out for underrated players if you want to keep the league accurate.

[CardinalsFan]

Buehrle is by far not overrated in real life. He sucks up 200+ IP consistently and gives you a 4.00 era pitcher in a home run crazy stadium. I think most managers would easily add him to their rotation. In addition he is a great man to have around the club house. I wouldn't be surprised to see him coach after his career is over.

Hawk Harrelson loves him, and he's no homer.

[EKomrska15]

Originally Posted by CardinalsFan

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Hawk Harrelson loves him, and he's no homer.

By far the best quote I've ever heard!

[hopeful1212]

Originally Posted by CardinalsFan

Buehrle isn't this bad in real life.

Wow, he's given up 63 hits in 26.2 innings. That's really really bad luck. But there's no way it can continue like that for a whole season. That said, his HR, BB, and K rates aren't very good either. I'm curious to see how his stats will look at the end of the year.

[injury log]

Originally Posted by CardinalsFan

Buehrle isn't this bad in real life.

His BABIP is .468. That's either a one in a billion fluke of bad luck, or you're playing Hillary Clinton at shortstop and John McCain in CF. I'd have to guess your defense is largely responsible; with the exception of his walk rate, his rate stats are pretty much dead on.

[CardinalsFan]

Originally Posted by injury log

His BABIP is .468. That's either a one in a billion fluke of bad luck, or you're playing Hillary Clinton at shortstop and John McCain in CF. I'd have to guess your defense is largely responsible; with the exception of his walk rate, his rate stats are pretty much dead on.

defense is pretty average i would say, nothing special (note beckham, pierre, and kotsay are on the DL). buehrle basically was shelled in his games.

[CardinalsFan]

Originally Posted by hopeful1212

Wow, he's given up 63 hits in 26.2 innings. That's really really bad luck. But there's no way it can continue like that for a whole season. That said, his HR, BB, and K rates aren't very good either. I'm curious to see how his stats will look at the end of the year.

will post as they go along. just playing a game a day along with the season so don't expect them too swiftly.

although in OOTP Sox won a thriller in Minneapolis today to bring them to 14-19. let's hope in real life that happens too.

[Kelric]

Originally Posted by EKomrska15

So what I'm saying just because you pitch a no-hitter it does not mean you are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Stats are stats and statistically he has been no better then Zambrano in his career or Ted Lilly the past 3 years.

However, if you asked White Sox fans a good majority of them would take Buerhle over those 2 and Peavy. If you want to say Peavy turned down a trade to come here that's fine, however, on NUMEROUS occasions Buerhle mentioned his affinity for the Cardinals and his desire to play for them.

I agree with you that guys throwing no-hitters can burn out quite easily. I was simply providing a second example.

But I'd still take today's Buehrle over today's Zambrano.

Edit - And, yes, he has been comparable to Lilly in the last two seasons.

[jbergey22]

Buehrle gets no respect.

His 0-6 start with 63 hits given up in 25+ innings is very unusual. I am sure he will start pitching better but Id agree that pitchers like Buehrle are hard to reflect in OOTP because they seem to buck the theory of conventional wisdom.