Mark Buehrle

CardinalsFan · 05-10-2010, 09:07 PM

Anybody have success with him from the standard roster? Mimicking the 2010 White Sox campaign (literally with a 13-19 record so far - thank goodness for Toronto or we'd be really down in the dumps). Anyways Buehrle has flat out stunk: 0-6 with a 11+ ERA lots of walks (even though he's a great control pitcher in that and rankings). Use a 20 point system and Buehrle is 9/10/15 (Stuff/Movement/Control) and has been jacked. I finally traded him home to STL for some prospects.

Any good control pitcher success stories with mid stuff/movement?

Kelric · 05-10-2010, 11:14 PM

Buehrle never gets rated well in OOTP, it seems. Before I even start playing OOTP I go in and mess with the default rosters, always have. Buehrle is one of the guys whose ratings I alter.

Who Killed Kenny? · 05-11-2010, 02:32 PM

Well hate to break it to you but I think maybe OOTP is doing a good job. According to Baseball Reference Buehrle is having a similarly poor year thus far: He is 2-4 with a 4.96 ERA. So although he's not as awful, hes still been below average.

CD1083 · 05-11-2010, 02:42 PM

Yeah, because a month accuretely depicts a players entire career.

EKomrska15 · 05-11-2010, 03:01 PM

Buerhle is a vastly over rated pitcher. However, he is better then those stats you presented for this year in OOTP11

Kelric · 05-11-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EKomrska15

Buerhle is a vastly over rated pitcher. However, he is better then those stats you presented for this year in OOTP11

Buehrle is consistently an above average starter who gives you more than 200 innings a year. He's not a shutdown ace, but I'd take him in my rotation any day.

CD1083 · 05-11-2010, 03:11 PM

Not sure how a guy who's rarely talked about can be overrated. He's a workhorse, he doesn't get injured (knock on wood) and he can flat out pitch. He's not what you'd consider a dominant #1 but he goes out every 5 days and does his job and does it well.

EKomrska15 · 05-11-2010, 03:14 PM

In local media he is talked about all the time....In the city of Chicago over the past 3 years he is 3rd in victories (not counting anything that has happened this year) So yes he is over rated.

CD1083 · 05-11-2010, 03:16 PM

Oh, so wins is how you determine how good a pitcher is..

Sorry Mr. Grienke but since you have 0 wins this year, that means you suck...

EKomrska15 · 05-11-2010, 03:17 PM

Compare his stats to Zambrano's stats. They are both very comparable yet a good majority would take Buehrle over Zambrano. He gets hyped up so much in Chicago it's unreal.

Articula · 05-11-2010, 03:19 PM

This coming from a Cubs fan....

Mark Buehrle is going to stink in this game because what he brings to real life baseball is something that can't be detected by stats. The man gets batters off balance, changes speeds, and pitches to weak contact. He flat-out knows how to pitch. All of his peripherals would suggest he should be getting smacked around all the time, yet he's good enough to pitch both a no-hitter and perfect game. He consistently pitches deep into games and never gets hurt whilst almost always giving his team a chance to win. I'd take Mark Buehrle on any team in real life. Unfortunately, stats based games don't do him justice.

EKomrska15 · 05-11-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

Oh, so wins is how you determine how good a pitcher is..

Sorry Mr. Grienke but since you have 0 wins this year, that means you suck...

Didn't you just say that a month doesn't dictate a players career?

CD1083 · 05-11-2010, 03:27 PM

I was being facetious.

EKomrska15 · 05-11-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

I was being facetious.

I love that word, haha!

All I'm saying here in Chicago he is vastly over rated and that's partly because he's a "good guy" in comparison to Zambrano. I would not not want him on my pitching staff but he's certainly not worth all the hype in Chicago he gets.

Kelric · 05-11-2010, 03:30 PM

Kevin Millwood has more IP than Greinke does with no wins either. Clearly, Greinke is only the second worst SP.

CD1083 · 05-11-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EKomrska15

I love that word, haha!

All I'm saying here in Chicago he is vastly over rated and that's partly because he's a "good guy" in comparison to Zambrano. I would not not want him on my pitching staff but he's certainly not worth all the hype in Chicago he gets.

Who should Chicago media hype than? He's the best pitcher in the city.

Buehrle helped win the city a WS title and from what I hear he's a good guy. When Zambrano stops smashing anything holding Gatorade and wins something important in Chicago, they will hype him too.

eriqjaffe · 05-11-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

Who should Chicago media hype than? He's the best pitcher in the city.

I love Buehrle, but I don't think he's even the best pitcher on the White Sox. I'd put him a solid third behind Peavy and Danks, myself.

Dunno about in the city as a whole, since I don't pay much attention to the Cubs.

CD1083 · 05-11-2010, 04:10 PM

Chicago isn't ready to love Peavy yet, he declined the first trade when he was healthy and only accepted when he was injured and hasn't performed since his arrival.

Danks very well could become a city star but he's still young. In a couple years I could see him taking over as the #1 guy.

I have hopes for Floyd too if he can show some consistency.

Right now though, Buehrle is the #1. If it was WS game 7, he's the guy the Sox would want pitching.

JohnBigBoots · 05-11-2010, 04:18 PM

Maybe the game thinks it's 2003? He started '03 with a 2-10 record and finished the season 14-14.

My experience with soft-tossing lefties in the game is to let them chew up innings and eventually they'll get to where they ought to be. I've had guys like Buehrle, Mike Caldwell and Ross Grimsley have abysmal seasons in OOTP and come back to win 20 games the following year.

eriqjaffe · 05-11-2010, 04:31 PM

FWIW, I had a White Sox dynasty that I started in OOTP5 using a user-created MLB roster set that (can't remember who made it, but it was the roster set for 5), and Buehrle wound up winning 324 games and multiple Cy Young awards. In 2005 in that dynasty, he set a modern-day MLB record by winning his first 20 decisions.

So...yeah, I liked that better.

05-11-2010, 04:18 PM	#19
JohnBigBoots Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 50	Maybe the game thinks it's 2003? He started '03 with a 2-10 record and finished the season 14-14. My experience with soft-tossing lefties in the game is to let them chew up innings and eventually they'll get to where they ought to be. I've had guys like Buehrle, Mike Caldwell and Ross Grimsley have abysmal seasons in OOTP and come back to win 20 games the following year. __________________ rundll32.exe shell32.dll,SHExitWindowsEx 1

05-11-2010, 04:31 PM	#20
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,644	FWIW, I had a White Sox dynasty that I started in OOTP5 using a user-created MLB roster set that (can't remember who made it, but it was the roster set for 5), and Buehrle wound up winning 324 games and multiple Cy Young awards. In 2005 in that dynasty, he set a modern-day MLB record by winning his first 20 decisions. So...yeah, I liked that better. __________________ Last edited by eriqjaffe; 05-11-2010 at 04:32 PM.

05-10-2010, 09:07 PM	#1
CardinalsFan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 208	Mark Buehrle Anybody have success with him from the standard roster? Mimicking the 2010 White Sox campaign (literally with a 13-19 record so far - thank goodness for Toronto or we'd be really down in the dumps). Anyways Buehrle has flat out stunk: 0-6 with a 11+ ERA lots of walks (even though he's a great control pitcher in that and rankings). Use a 20 point system and Buehrle is 9/10/15 (Stuff/Movement/Control) and has been jacked. I finally traded him home to STL for some prospects. Any good control pitcher success stories with mid stuff/movement?

05-10-2010, 11:14 PM	#2
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Buehrle never gets rated well in OOTP, it seems. Before I even start playing OOTP I go in and mess with the default rosters, always have. Buehrle is one of the guys whose ratings I alter.

05-11-2010, 02:32 PM	#3
Who Killed Kenny? Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 410	Well hate to break it to you but I think maybe OOTP is doing a good job. According to Baseball Reference Buehrle is having a similarly poor year thus far: He is 2-4 with a 4.96 ERA. So although he's not as awful, hes still been below average.

05-11-2010, 02:42 PM	#4
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Yeah, because a month accuretely depicts a players entire career.

05-11-2010, 03:01 PM	#5
EKomrska15 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,533	Buerhle is a vastly over rated pitcher. However, he is better then those stats you presented for this year in OOTP11

05-11-2010, 03:11 PM	#7
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Not sure how a guy who's rarely talked about can be overrated. He's a workhorse, he doesn't get injured (knock on wood) and he can flat out pitch. He's not what you'd consider a dominant #1 but he goes out every 5 days and does his job and does it well.

05-11-2010, 03:14 PM	#8
EKomrska15 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,533	In local media he is talked about all the time....In the city of Chicago over the past 3 years he is 3rd in victories (not counting anything that has happened this year) So yes he is over rated.

05-11-2010, 03:16 PM	#9
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Oh, so wins is how you determine how good a pitcher is.. Sorry Mr. Grienke but since you have 0 wins this year, that means you suck...

05-11-2010, 03:17 PM	#10
EKomrska15 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,533	Compare his stats to Zambrano's stats. They are both very comparable yet a good majority would take Buehrle over Zambrano. He gets hyped up so much in Chicago it's unreal.

05-11-2010, 03:19 PM	#11
Articula Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 39	This coming from a Cubs fan.... Mark Buehrle is going to stink in this game because what he brings to real life baseball is something that can't be detected by stats. The man gets batters off balance, changes speeds, and pitches to weak contact. He flat-out knows how to pitch. All of his peripherals would suggest he should be getting smacked around all the time, yet he's good enough to pitch both a no-hitter and perfect game. He consistently pitches deep into games and never gets hurt whilst almost always giving his team a chance to win. I'd take Mark Buehrle on any team in real life. Unfortunately, stats based games don't do him justice.

05-11-2010, 03:27 PM	#13
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	I was being facetious.

05-11-2010, 03:30 PM	#15
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Kevin Millwood has more IP than Greinke does with no wins either. Clearly, Greinke is only the second worst SP.

05-11-2010, 04:10 PM	#18
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Chicago isn't ready to love Peavy yet, he declined the first trade when he was healthy and only accepted when he was injured and hasn't performed since his arrival. Danks very well could become a city star but he's still young. In a couple years I could see him taking over as the #1 guy. I have hopes for Floyd too if he can show some consistency. Right now though, Buehrle is the #1. If it was WS game 7, he's the guy the Sox would want pitching.