Injury Frequency?

CharlieHustle6.12 · 04-21-2010, 09:42 AM

It may just be a fluke, but I have Injuries set to Low and in my 1st month of playing there are atleast 1 injury per day (not everyday, but on average) that is longer than 2 weeks.

Anyone else see this?

knockahoma · 04-21-2010, 10:14 AM

Yes.

I saw that in X. Just bought XI.

I play in God-mode, handling all roster decisions for all teams. In OOTP X, rarely did I sim thru a day that didn't require someone going on the IR.

I've grown especially interested in this topic since someone noted that only 50-something players appeared on the IR in 1972. Orange reminded me that in the 1970s teams were limited to placing no more than 3 players at a time on the 21 day DL.

Which brings up some interesting questions about injury rates and team practices thru the ages.

I'm using "very low" injury rate in XI in God mode. I'm thru the first month and I'll let you know how that goes. But, so far, just a few players have hit the DL. That's a good reflection of the early 70s rate.

Javs · 04-21-2010, 11:40 AM

how do you change injury frequency, and what do you recommend for playing in the majors in 2010?

CharlieHustle6.12 · 04-21-2010, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by knockahoma

I'm using "very low" injury rate in XI in God mode. I'm thru the first month and I'll let you know how that goes. But, so far, just a few players have hit the DL. That's a good reflection of the early 70s rate.

Let me know how it turns out in "very low". I might have to make the switch.

knockahoma · 04-21-2010, 05:40 PM

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Let me know how it turns out in "very low". I might have to make the switch.

Sure will. Early on, I like it. Until Orange pointed out the old rule that used to limit to 3 the number of players DL-ed at the same time, I just had an uneasy feeling. I didn't remember baseball with 7,8,9 players on the DL list back in the 70s. Someone wrote recently that the 1972season had only 50 or 55 trips to the DL.

Anyway, I'm in the middle of May. I had also forgotten about the 21 day disabled list. Several times a player has been injured 2 weeks and I've kept him on the team roster, not wanting to lose him for three weeks. That's made the DL decisions interesting, too. I lost a couple of catchers for several days to two weeks. Now what? I wonder if the stricter DL rule was why teams from days gone by used to carry 3 catchers

So far, the DL list looks like this:

APRIL

CAL Catcher Ellie Rodriguez (2 week injury)
HOU SS Roger Metzger out 4 months
NYY P Doc Medich (2 weeks)

MAY

LA OF Von Joshua (3 weeks)
MIL 1B George Scott (4 weeks)
TEX DH Tom Grieve (4 months)
NYM SS Bud Harrelson (3 weeks)
SF C Dave Rader (3 weeks)
SD OF Gene Locklear (3 months)

So, 9 DL visits in 6 weeks. I could have thrown a few more 2 week injuries onto 21 day DL, but I felt the team could weather their injury without a call-up.

So far, injuries on "very low" has a much better 70s feel.

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how do you change injury frequency, and what do you recommend for playing in the majors in 2010?

I'm just starting to follow baseball again, now that they're draining the "Juice" out of it. Maybe someone else can suggest the modern day setting.

But, you change the setting by going into a game. At the top, you'll see the OOTP tab. Click on that. A menu will fall. Choose "Game Setup"

On the left side of the page, right below the Enable Injuries box, you'll see a setting for Injury Frequency.

actionjackson · 04-21-2010, 06:18 PM

I'll probably set my injuries according to number of players per team in the database (I play historicals), so the frequency will vary from year to year, but I won't go up to the highest setting. Second highest? Sure. When I turn them off (19th/early 20th century), I'll set position player fatigue to high to compensate.

I have a bit of a different (perhaps naive?) take on injuries. I see them as a factor that allows teams/leagues to get as many players who played IRL into the lineup/on the active roster (I use reserve rosters for the AI's sake). Does that mean most/all teams will be playing with crappy players at some point in the season? Yup. Do most/all teams in MLB play with crummy players at some point in the season? Yup. I'll re-evaluate if I start seeing 20 players on the DL on a team with 40ish players, or if a team is getting bludgeoned at the same position over and over again. One thing I won't accept is CEIs. I'll unretire them and put them back on the team they were on and on the DL for as long as they would've been originally plus any setbacks, but I play with retire according to history, so I see this as a bit of unnecessary overkill for me. It needs to be there for those that want it though.

damientheomen3 · 04-21-2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Javs

how do you change injury frequency, and what do you recommend for playing in the majors in 2010?

In game setup, the 'global setup' tab

actionjackson · 04-21-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Javs

how do you change injury frequency, and what do you recommend for playing in the majors in 2010?

I would personally set it to high, but it's definitely a personal thing. People can get really upset about injuries, sometimes to the point where they think the AI is conspiring against them...Has anyone seen the tin foil?

mm7607 · 04-21-2010, 08:15 PM

I have not seen a drop in injuries except for pitchers and catchers. These two groups especially pitchers don't get injured nearly as often as they should. I think its something that should be looked into.

actionjackson · 04-21-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mm7607

I have not seen a drop in injuries except for pitchers and catchers. These two groups especially pitchers don't get injured nearly as often as they should. I think its something that should be looked into.

Shame to hear the distribution is still wonky. I thought this was supposed to be fixed. Do you have any data to support this or is it a first impression from playing the game? No offense, just asking a question that needs to be asked mostly so Markus can get it right.

mm7607 · 04-22-2010, 12:28 AM

This is why I haven't reported it as a bug or any thing. I haven't played that many seasons but I'm averaging 10 injuries per infield position, 13 per outfield position. Only 6 for pitchers and 3 for catchers. This is per season for the league not each team. I play with injuries set to high.
Also no minors and only 40 game season.

EDIT: Also I should mention in over 14 seasons I have not had a single career ending injury.

Isura · 04-22-2010, 07:29 AM

What about the ratio of long (say 3month+) injuries? Pitchers should suffer a higher portion of long term injuries. Batters get a lot of day to day type injuries right?

CharlieHustle6.12 · 04-22-2010, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Isura

What about the ratio of long (say 3month+) injuries? Pitchers should suffer a higher portion of long term injuries. Batters get a lot of day to day type injuries right?

Pitchers do suffer the higher portion of those injuries for me, but it just a constant day in day out type of thing. I have a really small sample size but I started this thread just to see what other people were noticing so I know what to look forward to.

Isura · 04-22-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlieHustle6.12

Pitchers do suffer the higher portion of those injuries for me, but it just a constant day in day out type of thing. I have a really small sample size but I started this thread just to see what other people were noticing so I know what to look forward to.

It could just a fluke. Or maybe you're overplaying everyday players. I think fatigued players are more likely to suffer injury. I run injuries at normal and don't notice anything too crazy. On high, that's a different story.

KentCol · 04-22-2010, 01:55 PM

I'm playing current season and playing out every game for the Rangers. I'm in mid-May and have had Julio Borbon, Josh hamilton, Nelson Cruz, David Murphy and Endy Chavez all injured for 3 to 4 weeks. This is at low injury setting. It has destroyed my season as I've lost 7 in a row and have dropped under .500 after a great start. Have since put injuries down to very low.

Ghetto Anthony · 04-22-2010, 04:35 PM

I'm running a historical league from 1969 onward. What would you reccomend I set the injury frequency at? What I'm getting from this thread is that it should be set to Very Low in the early 70's. At what point do I move it up to Low and so on?

Help would be greatly appreciated!

knockahoma · 04-22-2010, 04:56 PM

It's all what you're comfortable with. Until Orange had pointed out the DL rules of the 70s, I lived with the 6,7,8 guys at a time on the DL. But, with the old rule that allowed for only 3 at a time on the DL (although I guess a supplemental DL list existed), I keep the injuries on very low. And playing in God-mode, I'm trying to keep all teams complying with that rule, although I need to bone up on the specifics.

LiquidTester · 04-22-2010, 05:38 PM

My first league I had a player on my team go down every day for the first week, including my #1 starter just signed to a huge deal for 13 months. I started a new one with the same settings ( for different reasons ) and my team has yet to suffer an injury 26 games in and my team is mainly overpriced old veterans. Kind of like gambling, people who experience good fortune rarely point it out. I like having to scramble to plug holes due to injury, but I also like winning so I won't complain.

Bob Zupcic · 04-22-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KentCol

I'm playing current season and playing out every game for the Rangers. I'm in mid-May and have had Julio Borbon, Josh hamilton, Nelson Cruz, David Murphy and Endy Chavez all injured for 3 to 4 weeks. This is at low injury setting. It has destroyed my season as I've lost 7 in a row and have dropped under .500 after a great start. Have since put injuries down to very low.

I know this story is purely anecdotal, but it does alarm me a bit. It seems to me, if my memory serves, that OOTP X had way too many injuries to outfielders, and this was certainly something that I saw in my own leagues. On my 2009 Red Sox, I think I had Jason Bay, J.D. Drew, Jacoby Ellsbury, Rocco Baldelli, Mark Kotsay, and Jonathan Van Every all on the DL at the same time. Sure, some of those players are injury-prone, but my whole starting outfield and all their replacements on the DL at the same time, with injuries set at "normal"? Seems unlikely. Yet this seems to be a common occurrence in the last two versions of OOTP. Is anyone else seeing this again?

KentCol · 04-22-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Zupcic

I know this story is purely anecdotal, but it does alarm me a bit. It seems to me, if my memory serves, that OOTP X had way too many injuries to outfielders, and this was certainly something that I saw in my own leagues. On my 2009 Red Sox, I think I had Jason Bay, J.D. Drew, Jacoby Ellsbury, Rocco Baldelli, Mark Kotsay, and Jonathan Van Every all on the DL at the same time. Sure, some of those players are injury-prone, but my whole starting outfield and all their replacements on the DL at the same time, with injuries set at "normal"? Seems unlikely. Yet this seems to be a common occurrence in the last two versions of OOTP. Is anyone else seeing this again?

Well, today Michael Young went down for 6 weeks. Set to very low. Soon my whole roster will be on the DL.

04-21-2010, 10:14 AM	#2
knockahoma All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 792	Yes. I saw that in X. Just bought XI. I play in God-mode, handling all roster decisions for all teams. In OOTP X, rarely did I sim thru a day that didn't require someone going on the IR. I've grown especially interested in this topic since someone noted that only 50-something players appeared on the IR in 1972. Orange reminded me that in the 1970s teams were limited to placing no more than 3 players at a time on the 21 day DL. Which brings up some interesting questions about injury rates and team practices thru the ages. I'm using "very low" injury rate in XI in God mode. I'm thru the first month and I'll let you know how that goes. But, so far, just a few players have hit the DL. That's a good reflection of the early 70s rate. Last edited by knockahoma; 04-21-2010 at 10:18 AM.

04-22-2010, 12:28 AM	#11
mm7607 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Originally from Fla, now in Ky Posts: 709	This is why I haven't reported it as a bug or any thing. I haven't played that many seasons but I'm averaging 10 injuries per infield position, 13 per outfield position. Only 6 for pitchers and 3 for catchers. This is per season for the league not each team. I play with injuries set to high. Also no minors and only 40 game season. EDIT: Also I should mention in over 14 seasons I have not had a single career ending injury. Last edited by mm7607; 04-22-2010 at 02:31 AM.

04-21-2010, 09:42 AM	#1
CharlieHustle6.12 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 172	Injury Frequency? It may just be a fluke, but I have Injuries set to Low and in my 1st month of playing there are atleast 1 injury per day (not everyday, but on average) that is longer than 2 weeks. Anyone else see this?

04-21-2010, 11:40 AM	#3
Javs Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,892	how do you change injury frequency, and what do you recommend for playing in the majors in 2010?

04-21-2010, 06:18 PM	#6
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,179	I'll probably set my injuries according to number of players per team in the database (I play historicals), so the frequency will vary from year to year, but I won't go up to the highest setting. Second highest? Sure. When I turn them off (19th/early 20th century), I'll set position player fatigue to high to compensate. I have a bit of a different (perhaps naive?) take on injuries. I see them as a factor that allows teams/leagues to get as many players who played IRL into the lineup/on the active roster (I use reserve rosters for the AI's sake). Does that mean most/all teams will be playing with crappy players at some point in the season? Yup. Do most/all teams in MLB play with crummy players at some point in the season? Yup. I'll re-evaluate if I start seeing 20 players on the DL on a team with 40ish players, or if a team is getting bludgeoned at the same position over and over again. One thing I won't accept is CEIs. I'll unretire them and put them back on the team they were on and on the DL for as long as they would've been originally plus any setbacks, but I play with retire according to history, so I see this as a bit of unnecessary overkill for me. It needs to be there for those that want it though.

04-21-2010, 08:15 PM	#9
mm7607 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Originally from Fla, now in Ky Posts: 709	I have not seen a drop in injuries except for pitchers and catchers. These two groups especially pitchers don't get injured nearly as often as they should. I think its something that should be looked into.

04-22-2010, 07:29 AM	#12
Isura Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 361	What about the ratio of long (say 3month+) injuries? Pitchers should suffer a higher portion of long term injuries. Batters get a lot of day to day type injuries right?

04-22-2010, 01:55 PM	#15
KentCol Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 215	I'm playing current season and playing out every game for the Rangers. I'm in mid-May and have had Julio Borbon, Josh hamilton, Nelson Cruz, David Murphy and Endy Chavez all injured for 3 to 4 weeks. This is at low injury setting. It has destroyed my season as I've lost 7 in a row and have dropped under .500 after a great start. Have since put injuries down to very low.

04-22-2010, 04:35 PM	#16
Ghetto Anthony Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 113	I'm running a historical league from 1969 onward. What would you reccomend I set the injury frequency at? What I'm getting from this thread is that it should be set to Very Low in the early 70's. At what point do I move it up to Low and so on? Help would be greatly appreciated!

04-22-2010, 04:56 PM	#17
knockahoma All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 792	It's all what you're comfortable with. Until Orange had pointed out the DL rules of the 70s, I lived with the 6,7,8 guys at a time on the DL. But, with the old rule that allowed for only 3 at a time on the DL (although I guess a supplemental DL list existed), I keep the injuries on very low. And playing in God-mode, I'm trying to keep all teams complying with that rule, although I need to bone up on the specifics.

04-22-2010, 05:38 PM	#18
LiquidTester Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 64	My first league I had a player on my team go down every day for the first week, including my #1 starter just signed to a huge deal for 13 months. I started a new one with the same settings ( for different reasons ) and my team has yet to suffer an injury 26 games in and my team is mainly overpriced old veterans. Kind of like gambling, people who experience good fortune rarely point it out. I like having to scramble to plug holes due to injury, but I also like winning so I won't complain.