Possible MLB Re-alignment?

MorseMoose · 03-29-2010, 07:46 PM

I keep hearing about this upcoming realignment in the MLB. Is this just speculation that Selig is going to do it, or did ESPN get taken over by a certain OOTP forum member?

CD1083 · 03-29-2010, 08:01 PM

from what I've read online

MLB's 'Floating Realignment' May Not Change Baseball's Competitive Balance - MLB - NESN.com

Bud Selig, MLB committee considering radical floating realignment - Tom Verducci - SI.com

it looks like they are just discussing it. There would be a lot of hoops to jump through but if everyone is for it than its possible.

I for one would love for some realignment. You got to feel bad for teams like The Rays, Jays and Orioles who have to compete with the Sox and Yanks every year. 90 wins won't guarantee you squat in that division.

kenyan_cheena · 03-29-2010, 08:32 PM

IMO it's a lame idea that should be dismissed immediately. If they're interested in parity why not just blow up the league/division system and have each team play each other six times for a total of 174 games and then let, say, the top eight teams into the playoffs?

Start the season two weeks earlier and it's easy.

Le Grande Orange · 03-29-2010, 08:42 PM

Meh, I don't know, variable divisions doesn't sound particularly good to me.

One quick way to change things up is to return to a balanced schedule. That'd give a break to the Orioles, Jays, and Rays who have to play the Red Sox and Yankees 18 times each every year. It'd also make the race for the wild card more fair.

On the negative side, a balanced schedule renders the divisions and divisional races arbitrary and meaningless.

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Originally Posted by kenyan_cheena

If they're interested in parity why not just blow up the league/division system and have each team play each other six times for a total of 174 games and then let, say, the top eight teams into the playoffs?

The players are not going to agree to a longer season. If anything, they'd like to see the season shortened.

Cryomaniac · 03-29-2010, 09:01 PM

I will say that that floating re-alignment thing looks like it would be hugely complex to implement, and while from a rules-lawyering point of view I like that fact, from a practical point of view it seems stupid.

mgom27 · 03-29-2010, 09:42 PM

This is what I would do
Noreaster
Mets,Yankees,Red Sox,Blue Jays
Altantic
Nats,Phils,Pirates,Baltimore
Snow Alley
White Sox,Cubs,Reds,Tigers,Indians,Rockies,Brewers,Twins

Hurricane Alley
Houston,Altanta,Florida meaning Miami,Tampa Bay
Tornado Alley
KC,Texas,St. Louis
Mudslide/Earthquake/Fires
Angels,Dodgers,A's,Padres,Giants,Mariners,Diamondb acks

and 8 teams from Each League in the Playoffs/10 Man Lineup/Inter League play all year round

Radical Realignment

bababui · 03-29-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mgom27

This is what I would do
Noreaster
Mets,Yankees,Red Sox,Blue Jays
Altantic
Nats,Phils,Pirates,Baltimore
Snow Alley
White Sox,Cubs,Reds,Tigers,Indians,Rockies,Brewers,Twins

Hurricane Alley
Houston,Altanta,Florida meaning Miami,Tampa Bay
Tornado Alley
KC,Texas,St. Louis
Mudslide/Earthquake/Fires
Angels,Dodgers,A's,Padres,Giants,Mariners,Diamondb acks

and 8 teams from Each League in the Playoffs/10 Man Lineup/Inter League play all year round

Radical Realignment

Brilliant!!!

theasfl · 03-30-2010, 07:36 AM

Dislike immensely.

CommishJoe · 04-01-2010, 12:28 PM

Just got back to 2 leagues with 1 division with a balanced schedule and no inter-league play. Have the top 4 teams from each league make the playoffs. There's your "floating divisions".

MorseMoose · 04-01-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

Just got back to 2 leagues with 1 division with a balanced schedule and no inter-league play. Have the top 4 teams from each league make the playoffs. There's your "floating divisions".

154 or 168 game season for the AL?
160 or 176 game season for the NL?

Oh does that work?

phenom · 04-01-2010, 12:34 PM

What's next? Giving the Cubs a bye to the World Series?

phantompenguin · 04-01-2010, 03:18 PM

Its a horrible idea. Still, anything that gets the Pirates into their rightful NL East position is good in my eyes.

Still annoys me to no end that Atlanta got in the NL East after being in the NL West and being geographically further west than Pittsburgh in the 1993 re-alignment, who was tossed from the NL East to the NL Central with such close-by rivals as Houston and St. Louis...

Once Milwaukee got tossed into the mix it was even stupider...the Pirates had no reason to remain in the NL Central at that time. What matter does it make if its the Central or the East with 6 teams? That move killed all three of our rivalries. 18 years later and we still don't have any sort of rivalry in the Central...18 years of lousy play has much to do with that, but Cincinnati being the only team remotely close to us has more to do with it. Bah.

CommishJoe · 04-02-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

154 or 168 game season for the AL?
160 or 176 game season for the NL?

Oh does that work?

You'd need to move 1 team from NL to AL to even them out (move the Brewers back to the AL). At that point, make the season as close to the current 162 as possible. I haven't done the math to come up with that figure obviously

MorseMoose · 04-02-2010, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommishJoe

You'd need to move 1 team from NL to AL to even them out (move the Brewers back to the AL). At that point, make the season as close to the current 162 as possible. I haven't done the math to come up with that figure obviously

Play each team 11 times for 165 games.

If you're going to start moving teams between the AL/NL, I'd like to see more teams move. I don't personally care for the floating division idea, but let's take a look attendance numbers, payroll numbers over the past few seasons, records, television contracts, location, league choice, etc. Put it into a spreadsheet, crunch the numbers to get some sort of a scale score and even out the leagues.

CommishJoe · 04-02-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Play each team 11 times for 165 games.

If you're going to start moving teams between the AL/NL, I'd like to see more teams move. I don't personally care for the floating division idea, but let's take a look attendance numbers, payroll numbers over the past few seasons, records, television contracts, location, league choice, etc. Put it into a spreadsheet, crunch the numbers to get some sort of a scale score and even out the leagues.

I don't know about that. NL teams are built with PH in mind, while AL are built with the DH in mind. It would require tinkering with the rosters in order to move effectively. I would think that switching leagues should be done as little as possible. Just put the Brewers back in the AL where they can compete with regional teams like the White Sox and Twins.

MorseMoose · 04-02-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

I don't know about that. NL teams are built with PH in mind, while AL are built with the DH in mind. It would require tinkering with the rosters in order to move effectively. I would think that switching leagues should be done as little as possible. Just put the Brewers back in the AL where they can compete with regional teams like the White Sox and Twins.

Of course, that's why you look at where teams want to be. If a team like the Twins wanted to be in the NL and a team like (top of my head, not really anything other than just a team) the Cardinals wanted to be in the AL; why not let them switch?

David Watts · 04-02-2010, 12:54 PM

I have always thought they should find a way to get Texas out of the AL West. Just doesn't make sense for a team in the central time zone to be way out west.

Eric · 04-08-2010, 04:15 PM

Is there an option to move the Pirates to the minors?

Tony M · 04-08-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by phenom

What's next? Giving the Cubs a bye to the World Series?

I reckon you could give them the first three games, give them a 999-0 lead in the middle of the 9th in game 4, their opponents with two outs and all their batters and runners in concrete casts and they'd still fail to close out the game

Reader012 · 04-08-2010, 11:40 PM

AL North
Cleveland Indians
Boston Sox
Minnesota Twins
Detroit Tigers

AL Metro
N. York Yankees
N. York Mets
Chicago Sox
Chicago Cubs

AL Midwest
Oklahoma Mariners
K City Royals
Colorado Rockies
C Reds

AL Pacific
Giants
Dodgers
San Diego Padres
A's
Angels
Diamondbacks

NL Atlantic
Charlotte Expansions
Phillies

NL Birds
Toronto Blue Jays
SL Cards
Balitmore Orioles
P.Rico Falcons

NL South
Orlando Marlins
Tampa Rays
Atlanta Braves
Houston Astros

NL Beer
Milwaukee Brewers
Portland Brewers
Washinton Natinals
Pittsburgh Pirates

03-29-2010, 07:46 PM	#1
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	Possible MLB Re-alignment? I keep hearing about this upcoming realignment in the MLB. Is this just speculation that Selig is going to do it, or did ESPN get taken over by a certain OOTP forum member?

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Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	I will say that that floating re-alignment thing looks like it would be hugely complex to implement, and while from a rules-lawyering point of view I like that fact, from a practical point of view it seems stupid. __________________

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mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,531	This is what I would do Noreaster Mets,Yankees,Red Sox,Blue Jays Altantic Nats,Phils,Pirates,Baltimore Snow Alley White Sox,Cubs,Reds,Tigers,Indians,Rockies,Brewers,Twins Hurricane Alley Houston,Altanta,Florida meaning Miami,Tampa Bay Tornado Alley KC,Texas,St. Louis Mudslide/Earthquake/Fires Angels,Dodgers,A's,Padres,Giants,Mariners,Diamondb acks and 8 teams from Each League in the Playoffs/10 Man Lineup/Inter League play all year round Radical Realignment __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

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CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Just got back to 2 leagues with 1 division with a balanced schedule and no inter-league play. Have the top 4 teams from each league make the playoffs. There's your "floating divisions". __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

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CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	from what I've read online MLB's 'Floating Realignment' May Not Change Baseball's Competitive Balance - MLB - NESN.com Bud Selig, MLB committee considering radical floating realignment - Tom Verducci - SI.com it looks like they are just discussing it. There would be a lot of hoops to jump through but if everyone is for it than its possible. I for one would love for some realignment. You got to feel bad for teams like The Rays, Jays and Orioles who have to compete with the Sox and Yanks every year. 90 wins won't guarantee you squat in that division.

03-29-2010, 08:32 PM	#3
kenyan_cheena Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 9,037	IMO it's a lame idea that should be dismissed immediately. If they're interested in parity why not just blow up the league/division system and have each team play each other six times for a total of 174 games and then let, say, the top eight teams into the playoffs? Start the season two weeks earlier and it's easy.

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phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,763	What's next? Giving the Cubs a bye to the World Series?

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phantompenguin Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 60	Its a horrible idea. Still, anything that gets the Pirates into their rightful NL East position is good in my eyes. Still annoys me to no end that Atlanta got in the NL East after being in the NL West and being geographically further west than Pittsburgh in the 1993 re-alignment, who was tossed from the NL East to the NL Central with such close-by rivals as Houston and St. Louis... Once Milwaukee got tossed into the mix it was even stupider...the Pirates had no reason to remain in the NL Central at that time. What matter does it make if its the Central or the East with 6 teams? That move killed all three of our rivalries. 18 years later and we still don't have any sort of rivalry in the Central...18 years of lousy play has much to do with that, but Cincinnati being the only team remotely close to us has more to do with it. Bah.

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David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,885 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I have always thought they should find a way to get Texas out of the AL West. Just doesn't make sense for a team in the central time zone to be way out west.

04-08-2010, 04:15 PM	#18
Eric All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,234	Is there an option to move the Pirates to the minors?

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