Questions for a "Fake" Historical Simulation

Tigers Mask · 02-15-2010, 09:40 PM

Hello!

I've decided to try and see if I can go from 1901 to the present (and beyond) with OOTP X. I set up a Historical Game but got rid of all the historical players and replaced them with fictional ones using this guide: Larry Anderson's Fake Historical Guide

I had some questions:

1. What would be realistic foreigner percentages in the MLB? You don't need to break it down year-by-year but you could just tell me what you think would be correct for the Deadball Era, the 1920s to the 1950s, the 50s to the 60s/70s, whatever. If you're really feeling generous you could suggest what countries most foreign players came from during each era.

2. Since the game started out in 1901, it created a bunch of fictional minor leagues since I guess there were none in 1901. Will these fictional teams stay in the game all the way up until the present day, or will they be replaced by the real AAA, AA, etc. teams when they came into existence in real life?

3. Does anyone know anything about facial hair history in the MLB?

From the looks of it, players either chose to or were not allowed facial hair in the Deadball Era since they all seem to be cleanshaven. Kinda curious when I should allow teams to allow their players to have beards.

4. Will my manager "die"? Can I play for over a century or will I be forced to retire/quit/whatever?

Dunno how many people have simmed a league's history all the way through. But any answers and advice would be appreciated.

bailey · 02-15-2010, 11:04 PM

1. I play with 0 foreigners, finances off, and I don't have any color line. You could have 100% white if you wanted.
2. There were minor leagues in 1901. Check them out at baseball-reference.com. OOTP does not keep track of minor leagues. You'd have to expand and contract them as you saw fit. The farm system didn't develop until much later. Follow along The Baeball Chronicle, an online league and see how we do it. You can join in and play it.
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4. He retires.

damientheomen3 · 02-15-2010, 11:11 PM

I think that in #4 he meant his created human person. If that is the case, your guy can go on for ever and ever.

Tigers Mask · 02-16-2010, 04:34 PM

Thank you for the replies! I will check out the Baseball Chronicle and yes, I did mean my created General Manager persona.

Is there a way to keep things historical and have the fictional players be generated as Caucasian? Other than manually changing it, of course.

damientheomen3 · 02-16-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigers Mask

Thank you for the replies! I will check out the Baseball Chronicle and yes, I did mean my created General Manager persona.

Is there a way to keep things historical and have the fictional players be generated as Caucasian? Other than manually changing it, of course.

set the foreigner percentage to 0 and go to the manager dropdown menu and select 'explore world'. Scroll down to the United states, click on it, click the 'nation editor' tab, and edit it the way you want.

Tigers Mask · 03-01-2010, 04:16 PM

I have finally moved on from 1901 to 1902. I know you can auto-play through years and years very quickly but I am intentionally taking my time with this since I am doing it for no one but myself, heh.

I'm not really rooting for any franchise but I am "playing" as the Baltimore Orioles (eventually to be the Yankees). Went 63-77 and did pretty poorly, I guess!

1. Under Manager Options and Team Control Settings, I have the AI controlling everything. Sometimes between games I use the "Ask manager/bench coach" for lineups, pitching, setting up the lineups/depth charts, etc. Do I need to be doing this at all, and if so, how often?

2. As I said before, this is a Historical League starting in 1901... just with the real players removed and fictional players added. Are the real minor leagues ever going to appear? I noticed that the Cleveland Blues have become the Cleveland Bronchos, the Brewers became the STL Browns, etc. When I first added the minor leagues (AAA, AA, A, etc.) they were obviously generated on the spot. Will the real leagues/teams ever form on their own?

3. To add to the "realism" I am using sepia portraits and uniforms/logos from the time period. I am curious... As time progresses and I change uniforms and logos to match time period, and go from sepia portraits to color, will those things change when I go to the History sections and look at the "old" home run leaders, greatest pitchers from the Deadball Era, etc.?

4. Anyone wanna guess at the facial hair thing?

ashantewarrier · 03-01-2010, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigers Mask

I have finally moved on from 1901 to 1902. I know you can auto-play through years and years very quickly but I am intentionally taking my time with this since I am doing it for no one but myself, heh.

I'm not really rooting for any franchise but I am "playing" as the Baltimore Orioles (eventually to be the Yankees). Went 63-77 and did pretty poorly, I guess!

1. Under Manager Options and Team Control Settings, I have the AI controlling everything. Sometimes between games I use the "Ask manager/bench coach" for lineups, pitching, setting up the lineups/depth charts, etc. Do I need to be doing this at all, and if so, how often?

2. As I said before, this is a Historical League starting in 1901... just with the real players removed and fictional players added. Are the real minor leagues ever going to appear? I noticed that the Cleveland Blues have become the Cleveland Bronchos, the Brewers became the STL Browns, etc. When I first added the minor leagues (AAA, AA, A, etc.) they were obviously generated on the spot. Will the real leagues/teams ever form on their own?

3. To add to the "realism" I am using sepia portraits and uniforms/logos from the time period. I am curious... As time progresses and I change uniforms and logos to match time period, and go from sepia portraits to color, will those things change when I go to the History sections and look at the "old" home run leaders, greatest pitchers from the Deadball Era, etc.?

4. Anyone wanna guess at the facial hair thing?

1. No. You can set the lineups any way you wish. The "Ask manager/bench coach" function" is if you want the AI to set the lineups/depth charts for you.

2. No. Minor leagues will have to be added as you go along. You can use the "Add league" function to add minor league teams. There are minor league templates within the "add league" function that you can use. The templates have the real minor leagues/templates making it easy to setup.

3. The pictures will change if your fictional picture options are set to update either on January 1st, when a player is created, or as needed.

My personal workaround for this is that I manually generate pictures for my league at each season start, then turn off generate pictures function until the following season. That way the generated pictures for retired players remain and do not generate to the ugly default uniform. That way I when I go back and review retired players they maintain the uniform they wore for that appropriate period.

4. For facial hair I use Bobble Hair Mod. I use a 60 (no hair) 40 (5 o'clock shadow) for the deadball era. When I go into the 1920's I will change the no hair to 100%. By the early 1900's most ballplayers were clean shaven for the most part. As opposed to the 19th century where there was quite a bit of facial. I researched this using Google.

Tigers Mask · 03-01-2010, 06:45 PM

Wow, thank you for your replies!

Around what time period do you change it so facial hair becomes allowed and such?

ashantewarrier · 03-01-2010, 07:00 PM

BTW- I use 10% for foreignor percentage. However I edited the Nations within the game to only have foreignors from European nations. This is to reflect the influx of European immigrants to the U.S. in the early 1900's. My ethnicities file is modified to 100% for caucasion faces for each nation. I also use the nation editor in the game to change the name/language for the U.S. to 70 for US (Historical), German 10, Irish 10, Italian 5, and Scottish 5. This again is to reflect the first generation born players of immigrants to the US. Note, I set all non-European countries basball quality to non-existent.

ashantewarrier · 03-01-2010, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigers Mask

Wow, thank you for your replies!

Around what time period do you change it so facial hair becomes allowed and such?

I normally begin adding facial hair around the mid-to-late 1960's. I also add long sideburns. You have to go your facegen folder to add this mod. You can obtain all Bobble hair mods at Main

Tigers Mask · 03-21-2010, 05:33 PM

Is there any way to retroactively delete players who retire but have never reached the Major Leagues? I have been very good about manually updating player photos, getting accurate names, etc. but I didn't check the "Delete players who never reach the major leagues" until a couple years into my league. Not a big deal, purely a cosmetic complaint.

I started in 1901 and it's now 1908. No franchise has won the championship more than once and only the White Sox have been to the World Series more than twice.

I'm not really good with stats so I'm not sure if this is another Deadball Era yet. Robert Reid set the single season record for most homers with 13 in 1901 and has the career highest of 36 right now. Henry Bennett has the single season record for triples with 30 as well as the career highest with 110.

02-15-2010, 09:40 PM	#1
Tigers Mask Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20	Questions for a "Fake" Historical Simulation Hello! I've decided to try and see if I can go from 1901 to the present (and beyond) with OOTP X. I set up a Historical Game but got rid of all the historical players and replaced them with fictional ones using this guide: Larry Anderson's Fake Historical Guide I had some questions: 1. What would be realistic foreigner percentages in the MLB? You don't need to break it down year-by-year but you could just tell me what you think would be correct for the Deadball Era, the 1920s to the 1950s, the 50s to the 60s/70s, whatever. If you're really feeling generous you could suggest what countries most foreign players came from during each era. 2. Since the game started out in 1901, it created a bunch of fictional minor leagues since I guess there were none in 1901. Will these fictional teams stay in the game all the way up until the present day, or will they be replaced by the real AAA, AA, etc. teams when they came into existence in real life? 3. Does anyone know anything about facial hair history in the MLB? From the looks of it, players either chose to or were not allowed facial hair in the Deadball Era since they all seem to be cleanshaven. Kinda curious when I should allow teams to allow their players to have beards. 4. Will my manager "die"? Can I play for over a century or will I be forced to retire/quit/whatever? Dunno how many people have simmed a league's history all the way through. But any answers and advice would be appreciated.

03-01-2010, 07:00 PM	#9
ashantewarrier Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, NJ via Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,308	BTW- I use 10% for foreignor percentage. However I edited the Nations within the game to only have foreignors from European nations. This is to reflect the influx of European immigrants to the U.S. in the early 1900's. My ethnicities file is modified to 100% for caucasion faces for each nation. I also use the nation editor in the game to change the name/language for the U.S. to 70 for US (Historical), German 10, Irish 10, Italian 5, and Scottish 5. This again is to reflect the first generation born players of immigrants to the US. Note, I set all non-European countries basball quality to non-existent. __________________ "I'm not concerned with your liking or disliking me... All I ask is that you respect me as a human being." -Jackie Robinson, #42 Brooklyn Dodgers *"Hitting is better than sex."* - Reggie Jackson

02-15-2010, 11:04 PM	#2
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,420	1. I play with 0 foreigners, finances off, and I don't have any color line. You could have 100% white if you wanted. 2. There were minor leagues in 1901. Check them out at baseball-reference.com. OOTP does not keep track of minor leagues. You'd have to expand and contract them as you saw fit. The farm system didn't develop until much later. Follow along The Baeball Chronicle, an online league and see how we do it. You can join in and play it. 3. 4. He retires.

02-16-2010, 04:34 PM	#4
Tigers Mask Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20	Thank you for the replies! I will check out the Baseball Chronicle and yes, I did mean my created General Manager persona. Is there a way to keep things historical and have the fictional players be generated as Caucasian? Other than manually changing it, of course. Last edited by Tigers Mask; 02-16-2010 at 04:36 PM.

03-01-2010, 04:16 PM	#6
Tigers Mask Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20	I have finally moved on from 1901 to 1902. I know you can auto-play through years and years very quickly but I am intentionally taking my time with this since I am doing it for no one but myself, heh. I'm not really rooting for any franchise but I am "playing" as the Baltimore Orioles (eventually to be the Yankees). Went 63-77 and did pretty poorly, I guess! 1. Under Manager Options and Team Control Settings, I have the AI controlling everything. Sometimes between games I use the "Ask manager/bench coach" for lineups, pitching, setting up the lineups/depth charts, etc. Do I need to be doing this at all, and if so, how often? 2. As I said before, this is a Historical League starting in 1901... just with the real players removed and fictional players added. Are the real minor leagues ever going to appear? I noticed that the Cleveland Blues have become the Cleveland Bronchos, the Brewers became the STL Browns, etc. When I first added the minor leagues (AAA, AA, A, etc.) they were obviously generated on the spot. Will the real leagues/teams ever form on their own? 3. To add to the "realism" I am using sepia portraits and uniforms/logos from the time period. I am curious... As time progresses and I change uniforms and logos to match time period, and go from sepia portraits to color, will those things change when I go to the History sections and look at the "old" home run leaders, greatest pitchers from the Deadball Era, etc.? 4. Anyone wanna guess at the facial hair thing?

03-01-2010, 06:45 PM	#8
Tigers Mask Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20	Wow, thank you for your replies! Around what time period do you change it so facial hair becomes allowed and such?

03-21-2010, 05:33 PM	#11
Tigers Mask Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20	Is there any way to retroactively delete players who retire but have never reached the Major Leagues? I have been very good about manually updating player photos, getting accurate names, etc. but I didn't check the "Delete players who never reach the major leagues" until a couple years into my league. Not a big deal, purely a cosmetic complaint. I started in 1901 and it's now 1908. No franchise has won the championship more than once and only the White Sox have been to the World Series more than twice. I'm not really good with stats so I'm not sure if this is another Deadball Era yet. Robert Reid set the single season record for most homers with 13 in 1901 and has the career highest of 36 right now. Henry Bennett has the single season record for triples with 30 as well as the career highest with 110.