Poor Vikings. - Page 3

mlyons · 10-26-2009, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Whats the point?

Vikings and Giants are the two best teams in the NFC. Saints have the best offense in the NFL. During the playoffs I want balance as you never know what weather you could be playing in.

You do if you have home field advantage.

MorseMoose · 11-01-2009, 07:47 PM

Dargone · 11-01-2009, 08:02 PM

As someone with no loyalty either way, that's got to hurt.

Green & Gold Heart · 11-01-2009, 08:10 PM

Same old problems for the Pack - crappy offensive line, Ryan Grant sucks, and Rodgers doesn't know when to throw the ball away. Either that or the Poor Vikings are really, really awesome on defense. Probably a little of both.

MorseMoose · 11-01-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Same old problems for the Pack - crappy offensive line, Ryan Grant sucks, and Rodgers doesn't know when to throw the ball away. Either that or the Poor Vikings are really, really awesome on defense. Probably a little of both.

Vikings do have a great defense. But, Antoine Winfield was out and Rodgers should have been able to throw all over the Vikes secondary. Definitely a little of both.

The Vikes DL is very, very good; but they just feed on the Packers OL.

Afino · 11-01-2009, 10:17 PM

It would have helped if they chose to block Jared Allen. Sometimes they just didn't want to, apparently.

He's pretty good - you might want to leave a RB in there too to at least try....

Oh, and McCarthy sending out Crosby to try that FG was a mistake from the start, and I knew that was going to be missed.

However, the Vikings deserved to win. Harvin is a monster, they just need to make sure his head stays on straight. Him and AP are two of the top 5 pure athletic talents in the NFL.

jbergey22 · 11-01-2009, 11:01 PM

Packers are a very good team. I think they arent aggressive enough for the talent they have. Their dbacks were giving the Vikings WRs too much space IMO. They had an interesting piece on NFL Network about the difference in defense the past 2 games prior to the Vikings compared to how they defend the Vikings. Perhaps they like to keep their corners back in case AP breaks through the line but geez they have too much talent to play that way. Capers is now 0-8 coaching a defense against Favre.

Afino · 11-01-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Packers are a very good team. I think they arent aggressive enough for the talent they have. Their dbacks were giving the Vikings WRs too much space IMO. They had an interesting piece on NFL Network about the difference in defense the past 2 games prior to the Vikings compared to how they defend the Vikings. Perhaps they like to keep their corners back in case AP breaks through the line but geez they have too much talent to play that way. Capers is now 0-8 coaching a defense against Favre.

I was about to say - that's more damning on Capers than it is anyone else.

Mr. Aggressive Defense all of a sudden gets soft where it matters.

Jonzard · 11-02-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Vikings do have a great defense. But, Antoine Winfield was out and Rodgers should have been able to throw all over the Vikes secondary. Definitely a little of both.

The Vikes DL is very, very good; but they just feed on the Packers OL.

I think the secondary coverage was pretty strong, and has been. There were plenty of plays where the QB ran around and still didnt get a pass off. They just couldn't tackle in the open field for **** in the 3rd. EVERY damn play they were missing tackles. Winfield, the best tackling corner in the NFL, would have made a difference there.

Jonzard · 11-02-2009, 12:55 AM

BTW Cheeseheads, what is with Raji? I thought he was the main piece to your new 3-4 (nose tackle). That was what the claims were for picking him first. Is it just that he sucks and isn't who they thought he was?

marc · 11-02-2009, 12:56 AM

Balance of power has definitely shifted back to the NFC where it belongs.

NFC! NFC! NFC!

Green & Gold Heart · 11-02-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

BTW Cheeseheads, what is with Raji? I thought he was the main piece to your new 3-4 (nose tackle). That was what the claims were for picking him first. Is it just that he sucks and isn't who they thought he was?

He got hurt in preseason and has been pretty limited since. He may also suck, but it's too early to tell.

MorseMoose · 11-02-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

I think the secondary coverage was pretty strong, and has been. There were plenty of plays where the QB ran around and still didnt get a pass off. They just couldn't tackle in the open field for **** in the 3rd. EVERY damn play they were missing tackles. Winfield, the best tackling corner in the NFL, would have made a difference there.

I didn't mean to imply the secondary was bad, but with Winfield out (our best corner), they should have been able to throw all over the Vikings. Both this week and last week has shown that we have some good coverage CBs even without Winfield - at least so far and I haven't seen anything to make me think it's going to change.

silvam14 · 11-03-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

I didn't mean to imply the secondary was bad, but with Winfield out (our best corner), they should have been able to throw all over the Vikings. Both this week and last week has shown that we have some good coverage CBs even without Winfield - at least so far and I haven't seen anything to make me think it's going to change.

A good pass rush (which Minny has) can make a mediocre secondary look like an all-pro one.

MorseMoose · 11-29-2009, 07:30 PM

I'll continue to take the "poor vikings"

Best in the NFC, for shizzy.

mlyons · 11-29-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

I'll continue to take the "poor vikings"

Best in the NFC, for shizzy.

Why don't you wait to see what happens tomorrow night before making a statement like that?

MorseMoose · 11-29-2009, 09:02 PM

So yeah...the Bears had 2 yards in the 2nd half. yes...you heard right (at least according to one stat I read)...2 yards in the 2nd half.

canadiancreed · 11-29-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

So yeah...the Bears had 2 yards in the 2nd half. yes...you heard right (at least according to one stat I read)...2 yards in the 2nd half.

Your'e trying to do trash talk for beating the Bears?

eriqjaffe · 11-29-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

So yeah...the Bears had 2 yards in the 2nd half. yes...you heard right (at least according to one stat I read)...2 yards in the 2nd half.

...and that's surprising in what way, exactly?

jbergey22 · 11-30-2009, 11:54 AM

I think his point is that the Vikings dominated yet another team. The Vikings, Saints, Colts and Patriots seem head and shoulders above everyone else in the league right now. Should make for some fantastic Conference Championship games and some boring Divisional Championship games.

11-01-2009, 08:02 PM	#43
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	As someone with no loyalty either way, that's got to hurt. __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

11-01-2009, 10:17 PM	#46
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,827	It would have helped if they chose to block Jared Allen. Sometimes they just didn't want to, apparently. He's pretty good - you might want to leave a RB in there too to at least try.... Oh, and McCarthy sending out Crosby to try that FG was a mistake from the start, and I knew that was going to be missed. However, the Vikings deserved to win. Harvin is a monster, they just need to make sure his head stays on straight. Him and AP are two of the top 5 pure athletic talents in the NFL. __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers

11-02-2009, 12:55 AM	#50
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	BTW Cheeseheads, what is with Raji? I thought he was the main piece to your new 3-4 (nose tackle). That was what the claims were for picking him first. Is it just that he sucks and isn't who they thought he was? __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

11-02-2009, 12:56 AM	#51
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Balance of power has definitely shifted back to the NFC where it belongs. NFC! NFC! NFC! __________________

11-01-2009, 07:47 PM	#42
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)

11-01-2009, 08:10 PM	#44
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Same old problems for the Pack - crappy offensive line, Ryan Grant sucks, and Rodgers doesn't know when to throw the ball away. Either that or the Poor Vikings are really, really awesome on defense. Probably a little of both.

11-01-2009, 11:01 PM	#47
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Packers are a very good team. I think they arent aggressive enough for the talent they have. Their dbacks were giving the Vikings WRs too much space IMO. They had an interesting piece on NFL Network about the difference in defense the past 2 games prior to the Vikings compared to how they defend the Vikings. Perhaps they like to keep their corners back in case AP breaks through the line but geez they have too much talent to play that way. Capers is now 0-8 coaching a defense against Favre.

11-29-2009, 07:30 PM	#55
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	I'll continue to take the "poor vikings" Best in the NFC, for shizzy.

11-29-2009, 09:02 PM	#57
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	So yeah...the Bears had 2 yards in the 2nd half. yes...you heard right (at least according to one stat I read)...2 yards in the 2nd half.

11-30-2009, 11:54 AM	#60
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	I think his point is that the Vikings dominated yet another team. The Vikings, Saints, Colts and Patriots seem head and shoulders above everyone else in the league right now. Should make for some fantastic Conference Championship games and some boring Divisional Championship games.