OOTP 11 - Interface navigation poll! - Page 3

Markus Heinsohn · 10-22-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bosunmate

MD thank you so much for the info, it is really helpful. Veteran's Affairs mention using a hands free headset, but everyone i talked to said they are not that great. But the track ball sounds like it will do the trick. Because I'm disabled i spend atleast 5 hours a day playing OOTP. I will admit this game helped me keep my sanity.(wife begs to differ) And i felt that i was going to have to give this game up. Your the greatest MD (don't blush) and your help is always appreciated.....

The trackball is really a great idea from MD. Andreas uses them since he otherwise will have lots of pain in his right hand after using a conventional mouse much. Now that he's used to the trackball, he doesn't want to miss it and he has no pain at all

Btw bosunmate, I think you didn't see my post about making the position of the back/forward buttons customizable. Maybe I can get it done so you may chose wether they are right or left.

Goody · 10-22-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Why? It allows slotting the most important places to the F-keys. I use that all the time and find it incredibly useful

Everyone I know who uses the bookmarks is a programmer. I wonder if that gives any insight into it.

The rest of us just want to use the GUI that you have set up for us and focus on the gameplay and customizing our leagues...rather than customizing our interface. Visual and analytical thinkers process stuff differently too. Its not as natural for me...a visual learner...to remember quick keys etc. And I just like hitting a button on the screen with a mouse click and having it react...ha.

Malleus Dei · 10-22-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bosunmate

MD thank you so much for the info, it is really helpful. Veteran's Affairs mention using a hands free headset, but everyone i talked to said they are not that great. But the track ball sounds like it will do the trick. Because I'm disabled i spend atleast 5 hours a day playing OOTP. I will admit this game helped me keep my sanity.(wife begs to differ) And i felt that i was going to have to give this game up. Your the greatest MD (don't blush) and your help is always appreciated.....

OOTP has helped me keep what's left of my sanity as well (BWAHAHAHA!). If you go with the trackball and the number pad combo your pain should drop to almost nothing. Mine did.

And no problem, Bosunmate. No thanks are needed: been there, done that, suffered through it, eaten the pain pills, have the T-shirt.

Malleus Dei · 10-22-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Btw bosunmate, I think you didn't see my post about making the position of the back/forward buttons customizable. Maybe I can get it done so you may chose wether they are right or left.

"If he uses the trackball it really won't matter," said the man with similar issues.

Raidergoo · 10-22-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I cannot believe only 5% use the bookmarks... that really surprises me.

That's not what you asked. I use the forward/backward buttons the most, but, I have several bookmarks to obscure areas of OOTP that mean a lot to me.

sqidwerd · 10-22-2009, 12:12 PM

I play using the keyboard as much as I can on a notebook, so I use the bookmarks constantly. I rarely use the back buttons to navigate, just the F# keys or the nav bar at the bottom, and the player page right click of course. The addition I'd like to see would be scroll support for notebook scroll buttons.

StyxNCa · 10-22-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

Me too.

Just b/c it works for you, Markus, doesnt mean its the best way of usage. I, for one, have never used the bookmarks OR the links at the bottom. I seem to be in the majority by the looks of this poll. They're pretty and all, but not needed for me to use the software.

You really seem to dismiss some who try to give good feedback sometimes when you could find out some good information on how to better the game............Just sayin'.

Trying to please everyone seems to have led to redundancy. I never use bookmarks, recent, or the icons on the bottom.

silvam14 · 10-22-2009, 12:13 PM

I have one bookmark for my league's transaction log which I view frequently (I sim day to day) Pressing F2 and having it pop up works great for me

jbergey22 · 10-22-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Why? It allows slotting the most important places to the F-keys. I use that all the time and find it incredibly useful

I actually used to use it a lot however now that you made the managerial screen such a useful too I no longer need it

bosunmate · 10-22-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

The trackball is really a great idea from MD. Andreas uses them since he otherwise will have lots of pain in his right hand after using a conventional mouse much. Now that he's used to the trackball, he doesn't want to miss it and he has no pain at all

Btw bosunmate, I think you didn't see my post about making the position of the back/forward buttons customizable. Maybe I can get it done so you may chose wether they are right or left.

I saw your remark Markus about the customizing, but Md gave me a better idea. Thanks

falkonisback · 10-22-2009, 12:20 PM

About the only thing I use the bookmark feature for is to easily get to 'Current Contract Offers'.

I find it alot easier to just go there to check out my current offers b/c I never remember where place to get there is.

Tony M · 10-22-2009, 12:29 PM

I know Markus uses the libraries from pisd for layout stuff and managing it, but I've just started using the ribbon interface in a couple of work programs and find it really useful.

This is the thing that Office 2007 uses - it uses a bit more vertical space than a menu but seems cleaner and more user friendly to me.

I even managed to convince the wife to stick with 2007 over 2003 and now she flies around in Word and Excel with it.

blueturf · 10-22-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

That's not what you asked. I use the forward/backward buttons the most, but, I have several bookmarks to obscure areas of OOTP that mean a lot to me.

The poll let you select multiple options, so it could be that many use the bookmarks but only selected one option in the poll. I use bookmarks extensively, but I probably use the toolbar along the bottom much more.

The most essential navigation tool was not in the poll - which is the right click functionality, both to go back to the previous primary screen and for quick navigation when clicking on a player or team link.

BMW · 10-22-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony M

I know Markus uses the libraries from pisd for layout stuff and managing it, but I've just started using the ribbon interface in a couple of work programs and find it really useful.

This is the thing that Office 2007 uses - it uses a bit more vertical space than a menu but seems cleaner and more user friendly to me.

I even managed to convince the wife to stick with 2007 over 2003 and now she flies around in Word and Excel with it.

I'm still struggling mightily getting used to the ribbon in Access 2007.

bosunmate · 10-22-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

This is what I do as well.

I also like the right click option on player pages, will admit though to not using bookmarks or recent. However someone mentioned using the F keys which i didn't even know about. Guess that's why they have a manual. Hmmm.

JoseRijo · 10-22-2009, 01:23 PM

I can't believe how few ppl use bookmarks! You can use F# shortcuts after setting bookmarks up. It is by far the fastest way to get to the screens you want quickly.

kingcharlesxii · 10-22-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Why? It allows slotting the most important places to the F-keys. I use that all the time and find it incredibly useful

I would like the bookmarks more if I could set it to CTRL + R for the roster screen for instance. It's hard to remember if F2 is roster or transaction screen, there's no mnemonic for it. Just a helpful suggestion why I don't use them more (though I do use them).

TribeFanInNC · 10-22-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW

I'm still struggling mightily getting used to the ribbon in Access 2007.

Ditto in Excel.

Malleus Dei · 10-22-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Ditto in Excel.

I tried Office 2007 for a while and then went back to Office 2003. At least I can find everything now.

Programmers can get too cute with interfaces.

ShaneCarson · 10-22-2009, 02:30 PM

I honestly didn't realize bookmarks would map my pages to F-keys for some reason. Going to try that out once we get that new patch!

View Poll Results: Which OOTP 10 interface navigation element(s) do you use frequently?
Forward/back buttons	306	76.69%
"Recent" menu	62	15.54%
"Bookmarks" menu	55	13.78%
Icons at the bottom (excluding "Finish Today")	225	56.39%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 399. You may not vote on this poll

10-22-2009, 12:13 PM	#48
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 10,098	I have one bookmark for my league's transaction log which I view frequently (I sim day to day) Pressing F2 and having it pop up works great for me __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

10-22-2009, 12:29 PM	#52
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156	I know Markus uses the libraries from pisd for layout stuff and managing it, but I've just started using the ribbon interface in a couple of work programs and find it really useful. This is the thing that Office 2007 uses - it uses a bit more vertical space than a menu but seems cleaner and more user friendly to me. I even managed to convince the wife to stick with 2007 over 2003 and now she flies around in Word and Excel with it. __________________ This signature is intentionally blank

10-22-2009, 01:23 PM	#56
JoseRijo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 100	Bookmarks I can't believe how few ppl use bookmarks! You can use F# shortcuts after setting bookmarks up. It is by far the fastest way to get to the screens you want quickly.

10-22-2009, 12:12 PM	#46
sqidwerd Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 80	I play using the keyboard as much as I can on a notebook, so I use the bookmarks constantly. I rarely use the back buttons to navigate, just the F# keys or the nav bar at the bottom, and the player page right click of course. The addition I'd like to see would be scroll support for notebook scroll buttons.

10-22-2009, 12:20 PM	#51
falkonisback All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Posts: 869	About the only thing I use the bookmark feature for is to easily get to 'Current Contract Offers'. I find it alot easier to just go there to check out my current offers b/c I never remember where place to get there is.

10-22-2009, 02:30 PM	#60
ShaneCarson All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 728	I honestly didn't realize bookmarks would map my pages to F-keys for some reason. Going to try that out once we get that new patch!